Viva Las Vegas

bearlyther

I know it must be a good bit away yet but does anyone know roughly when the Viva Las Vegas qualifiers get started?

varney

Around March i think

bearlyther

Ok cool thanks definately want to give these a go and if i dont qualify going to go over there and play live cash during it for 3 months.

GREGHOGG

As soon as possible please  

bearlyther

Been thinking about Vegas all week cant get it out of my head.  Vegas for 3 months could be bad for my liver!

Lambert180

Yeah I think this coming year might be the first time I ever give it a go.

TPTP123

Someone explain how the VLV fomat works to me... (Or at least how its worked in the past).  i figure if its just summin like sat > sat > sat > sat pending which entry level you start at?

And do you have to be on tv if you winnar it? I dont like. if that is the case.. my face is built for forums. 

GELDY

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Been thinking about Vegas all week cant get it out of my head.  Vegas for 3 months could be bad for my liver!
Posted by bearlyther

didn't want to read this thread, too close to the last VLV final and not soon enough to the next one.

but then I put on the sky tv stream in the hour before the live show started last night - something I never ever do.

and it was the repeat of the first hour of the last VLV final! didn't see any of my hands being played, but then I remember having big connection problems at that time anyway. and then at 7pm it stopped for the live show. No, no, I cried, keeping showing this......

guess I'm now hooked on this too - and there's only one way to go one better than last year.....bring it on. 

Tikay10

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I know it must be a good bit away yet but does anyone know roughly when the Viva Las Vegas qualifiers get started?
Posted by bearlyther

Morning Conor.

By an odd coincidence, this was discussed earlier this week.
 
A final decision has not been made yet, but it's likely to be later rather than earlier in 2013, & I very much doubt it will begin before April or even May.

That may not be well-received, but there is a very good reason why that line of thinking exists, as several other very interesting & exciting new Projects are scheduled for early 2013 on Sky Poker, & each needs their own space & room.

Time will tell.  

GELDY

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I very much doubt it will begin before April or even May.

  
Posted by Tikay10

I knew I didn't want to read this thread :-(

PS great show last night Tikay - didn't mean what I said about wanting to replace it with a repeat - honest

Tikay10

Ha! Morning Geldy, & thank you. I think.

I'm not sure whether to believe you or not.

I raise.  

bearlyther

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In Response to Viva Las Vegas : Morning Conor. By an odd coincidence, this was discussed earlier this week.   A final decision has not been made yet, but it's likely to be later rather than earlier in 2013, & I very much doubt it will begin before April or even May. That may not be well-received, but there is a very good reason why that line of thinking exists, as several other very interesting & exciting new Projects are scheduled for early 2013 on Sky Poker, & each needs their own space & room. Time will tell.  
Posted by Tikay10

Thanks Tikay will look forward to this not an easy feat to qualify but i will give it my best shot.  I am looking to go to Vegas this summer for 3 months wheather i manage to qualify or not.  If i qualify then great il be able to play in the tournaments and if i dont im going to go there for 3 months and play cash.  Think it would be a great experience for 3 months to say i lived in Vegas!

Last summer i was there on holiday for a week and stayed at the Imperial Palace.  The imperial palace is the cheapest hotel in the centre of the strip apart from the riviera or circus circus which is a little bit out of the way on the other end of the strip.  Was wondering if you had any ideas about the cheapest way for me to go about my accomadation for 3 months as even staying in the Imperial Palace for 3 months could cost around $8000. Do you know if there would be a better option off the strip in an apartment maybe or do you think its possible for me to work out some kind of deal with ceasars entertainment to get a cheap room for 3 months if i am playing cash games in there poker rooms everyday.  Not sure if you know what the best way is Tikay for this but figured you would be a good person to ask.

Cheers Conor

Mohican

Have you considered renting a villa? Scott77 rented one this  year i think, might be worth a pm to find out the pros/cons.

TommyD

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In Response to Re: Viva Las Vegas : Thanks Tikay will look forward to this not an easy feat to qualify but i will give it my best shot.  I am looking to go to Vegas this summer for 3 months wheather i manage to qualify or not.  If i qualify then great il be able to play in the tournaments and if i dont im going to go there for 3 months and play cash.  Think it would be a great experience for 3 months to say i lived in Vegas! Last summer i was there on holiday for a week and stayed at the Imperial Palace.  The imperial palace is the cheapest hotel in the centre of the strip apart from the riviera or circus circus which is a little bit out of the way on the other end of the strip.  Was wondering if you had any ideas about the cheapest way for me to go about my accomadation for 3 months as even staying in the Imperial Palace for 3 months could cost around $8000. Do you know if there would be a better option off the strip in an apartment maybe or do you think its possible for me to work out some kind of deal with ceasars entertainment to get a cheap room for 3 months if i am playing cash games in there poker rooms everyday.  Not sure if you know what the best way is Tikay for this but figured you would be a good person to ask. Cheers Conor
Posted by bearlyther

You can stay in one of the Travelodges on the Strip for less than $5000.  That's if you can handle living in a Travelodge for three months.  If I was you I'd defo look into Villa's/Apartments.

yoyo

hey mr,

3 months, wow, that'd be some trip...there's an excellent thread on another well known forum that tony may or may not be affiliated to called 'vegas trip information for anyone looking to go this year'...both marky147 & simon galloway are very knowledgeable are always happy to give you a steer in the right direction.

glgl & keep us posted

beaneh

3 months is so horribly long in vegas time. 

if you were realistically going to go and grind 2/5 5/10 for 3 months, then imo stay somewhere similar to where the dirt poor hotel maids live off strip and make sure it has air con that works. 

As Tommy says there are tonnes of travel lodges and other random brands of motel off the strip, you then need transport though which all adds up. 

Also not to be fasceitious but wsop isn't on for 3 months, the big wsop games don't last that long, they start dieing well before the main event starts, you want to be out there for the start of the wsop not the end for juicy cash games. You're looking easily at 5-10k dollars for flights/transport/accom. let alone a bankroll to play for months on end.

the house we rented last year was $6k for the month. was pretty big (had 5 beds) and lots of sofas so could have slept loads. You get a kitchen to make breakfast and have snacks in rather than hotel room service or drive throughs. You don't have to relax within 10 yards of where you lie horizontally at night  etc

In Vegas they have some stupid rule where you cant book for more than 11 days or something due to nevada law in a hotel. You have to book apartments or some other method to get around it. If you go to wherever strip hotel you can stay 1 week -10 days and then you have to check out and check in somewhere else. 

Palms had some really nice apartments, with little self contained kitchens etc but you're still close to strip and it's not cheap. 

Would probably look to go for less time, be utterly stingy with expenses and outlay and then desperately try not to run bad at cash lol. 

edit obviously you can get poker rates at different casinos, but the second you are at a casino for a week and having to grind X hours a day to get your rate down you then cant game select from any of the other games everywhere else in vegas. you don't really want to be limited to playing in just one place imo.

Bravopoker

Allvegaspoker

are the iphone apps that will become your friend on the grind too

scotty77

Book as early as you can. My main advice would be to try and get 4/5 poker mates together and rent a house for max 2 months. 

For just over a month it cost us around 9k$ total with car and food/drink, so about 1.5k pounds each (more if your beaneh tho and decide to play flipping type games tho).

The house that we did rent tho was quite decent tho and you can get more normal houses for easily half the price.  Just do your research and try and find someone with tonnes of good reviews.

As beaneh says 3 months is just unreal extreme.  Maybe do 3 months in the USA total?  If its poker you want the action in LA is pretty incred according to everyone I speak to there.

bearlyther

In Response to Re: Viva Las Vegas:

hey mr, 3 months, wow, that'd be some trip...there's an excellent thread on another well known forum that tony may or may not be affiliated to called 'vegas trip information for anyone looking to go this year'...both marky147 & simon galloway are very knowledgeable are always happy to give you a steer in the right direction. glgl & keep us posted
Posted by yoyo

Thanks Julian i will have a look at that forum aswell.

bearlyther

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3 months is so horribly long in vegas time.  if you were realistically going to go and grind 2/5 5/10 for 3 months, then imo stay somewhere similar to where the dirt poor hotel maids live off strip and make sure it has air con that works.  As Tommy says there are tonnes of travel lodges and other random brands of motel off the strip, you then need transport though which all adds up.  Also not to be fasceitious but wsop isn't on for 3 months, the big wsop games don't last that long, they start dieing well before the main event starts, you want to be out there for the start of the wsop not the end for juicy cash games. You're looking easily at 5-10k dollars for flights/transport/accom. let alone a bankroll to play for months on end. the house we rented last year was $6k for the month. was pretty big (had 5 beds) and lots of sofas so could have slept loads. You get a kitchen to make breakfast and have snacks in rather than hotel room service or drive throughs. You don't have to relax within 10 yards of where you lie horizontally at night  etc In Vegas they have some stupid rule where you cant book for more than 11 days or something due to nevada law in a hotel. You have to book apartments or some other method to get around it. If you go to wherever strip hotel you can stay 1 week -10 days and then you have to check out and check in somewhere else.  Palms had some really nice apartments, with little self contained kitchens etc but you're still close to strip and it's not cheap.  Would probably look to go for less time, be utterly stingy with expenses and outlay and then desperately try not to run bad at cash lol.  edit obviously you can get poker rates at different casinos, but the second you are at a casino for a week and having to grind X hours a day to get your rate down you then cant game select from any of the other games everywhere else in vegas. you don't really want to be limited to playing in just one place imo. Bravopoker Allvegaspoker are the iphone apps that will become your friend on the grind too
Posted by beaneh

Thanks Beaneah yea i would be looking to play 1/3 in ceasars and the rio and also the occasional game at 2/5.  I called sta travel up earlier today and they quoted me £1900 for a room from May 29th-July 16th which is the dates the wsop is on this year which i thought was very reasonable.  Yes thats true i wouldnt want to limit myself at one place to play.

bearlyther

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Book as early as you can. My main advice would be to try and get 4/5 poker mates together and rent a house for max 2 months.  For just over a month it cost us around 9k$ total with car and food/drink, so about 1.5k pounds each (more if your beaneh tho and decide to play flipping type games tho). The house that we did rent tho was quite decent tho and you can get more normal houses for easily half the price.  Just do your research and try and find someone with tonnes of good reviews. As beaneh says 3 months is just unreal extreme.  Maybe do 3 months in the USA total?  If its poker you want the action in LA is pretty incred according to everyone I speak to there.
Posted by scotty77

Yes definately looking to get it sorted early thats why im trying to find out everything i can now. Yes prob looking to do 2 and a half months during the wsop then visit some friends i have in Orlando and New York for the rest.  Im basically going with the mindset that im there to enjoy the experience of living in Vegas.  Will definately have a look at the houses but basically im looking for something close to the strip and im not that bothered if i only have a hotel room and no kitchen to cook etc as i prefer to eat out in mcdonalds etc anyway.Yes agree with the action in LA i went there for 4 days after vegas last sumer and the action in the biycle was crazy didnt really like the commerce tho as the max you could sit down with at the 1/3 game waas $100.

beaneh

do you understand how many weeks and days are in 2.5 months?

vegas is a horrible horrible place, not if you're there with money to burn and a stag doo to celebrate. But when you're there day in day out, grinding day in day out, it's not 'fun' 'enjoyable' or w/e it's a horrible mind numbing enjoyment sucking will to live gobbling grind.

go live somewhere nice with nice people and without the disgusting subverted methods of taking the poor and rich mans money.

I was going to say 'I think' but I actually  KNOW from experience that hotel rooms are not ok for this long.

I spent 1 month in a rio suite last year, however helpful it was for the wsop games it was still so frustrating and similar and got on my nerves easily before the first week was over. eating the same ridiculously sized portions of food is just beyond tiring and horrible.

Imo you would benefit 1 million percent from spending a chunk of your expected outlay on accommodation on a car, so that your accommodation can be off strip. so that a) you get something better b) you aren't in a hotel c) you aren't on the strip all day d) you have options in such a long timeframe to take trips to LA down I15 south, or to go visit hoover dam, or go to lake mead for the day etc. 

commuting for 20 minutes through 400 lane roads is really easy and adds to the experience. 

also fwiw 2/5 is softer than 1/3, the 1/3 rio games often have shallower caps too. some games have shallow 2/5 others like the wynn that cater for bigger players have 300bb type buyins.

bearlyther

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do you understand how many weeks and days are in 2.5 months? vegas is a horrible horrible place, not if you're there with money to burn and a stag doo to celebrate. But when you're there day in day out, grinding day in day out, it's not 'fun' 'enjoyable' or w/e it's a horrible mind numbing enjoyment sucking will to live gobbling grind. go live somewhere nice with nice people and without the disgusting subverted methods of taking the poor and rich mans money. I was going to say 'I think' but I actually  KNOW from experience that hotel rooms are not ok for this long. I spent 1 month in a rio suite last year, however helpful it was for the wsop games it was still so frustrating and similar and got on my nerves easily before the first week was over. eating the same ridiculously sized portions of food is just beyond tiring and horrible. Imo you would benefit 1 million percent from spending a chunk of your expected outlay on accommodation on a car, so that your accommodation can be off strip. so that a) you get something better b) you aren't in a hotel c) you aren't on the strip all day d) you have options in such a long timeframe to take trips to LA down I15 south, or to go visit hoover dam, or go to lake mead for the day etc.  commuting for 20 minutes through 400 lane roads is really easy and adds to the experience.  also fwiw 2/5 is softer than 1/3, the 1/3 rio games often have shallower caps too. some games have shallow 2/5 others like the wynn that cater for bigger players have 300bb type buyins.
Posted by beaneh

Yes i can understand what your saying Vegas could be a horrible place if things arnt going well but i love the place and i used to live in America when i worked there and figured this is a good opportunity for me so i can go back there and live for a few months. 

Yea called a few of the casinos in Las Vegas this evening and some of them told me i could stay for 28 nights then have to check out for 2 days before i could come back at other casinos they told me i could stay a max of 12 nights before checking out and back in 2 days later due to Nevada law.

Yes i would definately like a car during my trip maybe for 2 days each week to get away from Poker and i could go to LA as i have a friend who lives there.

With regards to the games i played both 1/3 and 2/5 in Vegas last summer and i found them both extremely soft.  I have played in casinos  in florida,vegas and la when i lived in america for a year and they all love to limp call at all levels including 2/5.

beaneh

ya, it's not very intuiative. but the higher you go the worse the bad players get and the more money they have!

some of the people I played 5/10 with in the summer were absolutely appalling and all waiting angry that the 10/25 game wasn't running. it's mind blowing.

100% you shouldn't stay in a hotel. hotel life is not fun.

maybe have 2 months in an apartment and if things go well get a nice hotel for a week or something to take a break.

beaneh

having a car just to go between hotels (all of which have ridic huge carparks) is so helpful. cabs add up and you can get really good deals for longer rentals. you can just some utterly budget car it doesn't matter as long as it has aircon. beware that american cars are terrible, scratch that, beyond terrible.

TPTP123

Yeh obv get a house if your going with a group of pals+car... makes life soo much easier. 

That said, if your going on Jack Jones then nothing wrong with degening it in hotels on cheap player rates imo, and moving from hotel to hotel w/o a plan and just see what works for you. Gotta be ridic disciplined to do this imo... food costs, night life, desert, dry cleaning, booze, weak diet and no decent private living space could murder your winnarate. (You need a good social circle to live out of hotel in my experience & lots of buffets imo!! ). I personally would prefer to live out of a house, but it would get pretty boring if theres not a group of ya's going.

Also seperate living costs and poker roll - obv. With winnings superseeding living costs to make the journey worth it.. othewise just print monies on sky poker... at least you can sit on a decent sofa that way!!! 

And stay away from the pits... Keep a blog somwhere if you do go, i would read. 

yoyo

the rio might be convenient for the wsop but it will destroy your soul #nutworsthotel 

personally for a 2 week trip on strip is best convenience-wise, any longer off strip with wheels will keep your mental health intact

bearlyther

In Response to Re: Viva Las Vegas:

Yeh obv get a house if your going with a group of pals+car... makes life soo much easier.  That said, if your going on Jack Jones then nothing wrong with degening it in hotels on cheap player rates imo, and moving from hotel to hotel w/o a plan and just see what works for you. Gotta be ridic disciplined to do this imo... food costs, night life, desert, dry cleaning, booze, weak diet and no decent private living space could murder your winnarate. (You need a good social circle to live out of hotel in my experience & lots of buffets imo!! ). I personally would prefer to live out of a house, but it would get pretty boring if theres not a group of ya's going. Also seperate living costs and poker roll - obv. With winnings superseeding living costs to make the journey worth it.. othewise just print monies on sky poker... at least you can sit on a decent sofa that way!!!  And stay away from the pits... Keep a blog somwhere if you do go, i would read. 
Posted by TPTP123

Yes at the minute il be going over myself but if anyone else is looking to come with me nearer the time then that would be even better.  Ive had the idea in my head of doing this since last summer when i went on holiday to Vegas and now i have a good roll to do it. Food and drink will be cheap as i eat way too many mcdonalds's when im abroad and the drinks are free in the casino anyway.

A house would be good if it was more than myself going but at the moment it will just be myself.  I called a number of casinos and hotels last night via skype and from may 29th-July 16th it worked out at $3000 at the riviera and around $3500 at the travellodge on the strip.  The travellodge on the strip is in a great location whereas the riviera is a bit out of the way as i stayed in the riviera 2 years ago.

Yes obviously im hoping that my winnings exceed all my expenses and i feel i should be able to do that but im prepared to lose aswell as i just couldnt book a trip for that long if i wasnt prepared for when things went wrong that would be crazy!  My main reason for going however is not im going to go to Vegas to make 10s of thousands of dollars the reason i am going is for the experience of the venture.

Ive made the decision that im 100% definately going just need to work out all the details and il probly be looking to get the whole thing booked come early january.

bearlyther

Edit! FLight could be booked at some pont today!  £583 from Dublin to New York stay there with my mate for 4 days then to Las Vegas on June 1st then returning to Dublin on July 16th was expecting the flights to be about a grand to might just have to go ahead and book today.

GELDY

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Edit! FLight could be booked at some pont today!  £583 from Dublin to New York stay there with my mate for 4 days then to Las Vegas on June 1st then returning to Dublin on July 16th was expecting the flights to be about a grand to might just have to go ahead and book today.
Posted by bearlyther

gl - when you find a good deal - take it

TPTP123

Well good luck fella, I'm sure you'll get what you want out of it. 

bearlyther

I did it!!! Flights booked.  Off on the 2nd June to both Orlando and New York to see a couple of my mates.  Then going to Las Vegas on the 10th June until the 17th July to see the full world series of poker series and play some cash and a few side tournaments too excited!