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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation... : Yeah you've got me there! Sucks so much to only have 2.2million worth of cashes. Obv that's not even considering his online results. http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=50670
    Posted by Lambert180
    Didn't he brick the 1drop x 2 though? so he's instantly break even with just those 2 fails. 


    durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr where even is he now anyway what happened to all the crazy televised cash games where he was running 500k+ bluffs?

    Everything seems to be about mtts/sngs now in TV poker :(


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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation... : Didn't he brick the 1drop x 2 though? so he's instantly break even with just those 2 fails.  durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr where even is he now anyway what happened to all the crazy televised cash games where he was running 500k+ bluffs? Everything seems to be about mtts/sngs now in TV poker :(
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    quite right too

    had these cash players hogging the
    limelight for far too long
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation... : Didn't he brick the 1drop x 2 though? so he's instantly break even with just those 2 fails.  durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr where even is he now anyway what happened to all the crazy televised cash games where he was running 500k+ bluffs? Everything seems to be about mtts/sngs now in TV poker :(
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    FWIW, I'm pretty sure they changed the 1drop from 1mil to £111k after the first year.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation... : quite right too had these cash players hogging the limelight for far too long
    Posted by GELDY
    Its the same players just playing a different format. 
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited August 2013
    FWIW I'd rather have a Slyklist, Maxally, geldy or Dohhhhhhh in the team rather than a cash player.
    Forgive me for steriotyping, but the cash players I know personally, have become numb when it comes to winning/losing money.
    Whereas you only have to read the forum to see the passion, enthusiasm and commitment of Slyklist, Maxally, Geldy and Dohhhhhhhh
    If they got a chance, they'd sweat blood for the team based on my own experiences I don't think cash players have the same heart and soul

    OOps typo for Maxally it's probably blood sweat and beers lol
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    FWIW I'd rather have a Slyklist, Maxally, geldy or Dohhhhhhh in the team rather than a cash player. Forgive me for steriotyping, but the cash players I know personally, have become numb when it comes to winning/losing money. Whereas you only have to read the forum to see the passion, enthusiasm and commitment of Slyklist, Maxally, Geldy and Dohhhhhhhh If they got a chance, they'd sweat blood for the team based on my own experiences I don't think cash players have the same heart and soul OOps typo for Maxally it's probably blood sweat and beers lol
    Posted by DUNMIDOSH

    More rubdowns :( 

    hahahahahaha, cheers Dumnidosh. I thinkkkkkkk. 




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  • rancidrancid
    edited August 2013
    a bad player can win an MTT
    a bad player will lose money playing cash


    that is all

    fwiw I would back a good poker player
    essentially if your a good poker player you should be good at both - key is knowing both short stack and deep stack pokerz

    Phil Ivey is probably the best exmaple of a complete poker player




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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush
    edited August 2013
    It depends what Sky want to do with TSP at the end of the day. Skypoker generally is about giving the little guy a go (I don't mean Matt Bates), so do they want to fill the team up with players who would go into the event with it being the largest they have ever played (I'd class myself in that category) or do they want to fill it with proven winners and high stakes cash players like offshoot/ljamesl/gliterbabe etc to try and put Skypoker on the map.

    Personally I like the league format over 3 months for MTTs, pretty much exactly how they used to have it worked. Not sure how you would go about picking STT and cash without it all coming down to a rake race.
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  • MattBatesMattBates
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    It depends what Sky want to do with TSP at the end of the day. Skypoker generally is about giving the little guy a go (I don't mean Matt Bates), so do they want to fill the team up with players who would go into the event with it being the largest they have ever played (I'd class myself in that category) or do they want to fill it with proven winners and high stakes cash players like offshoot/ljamesl/gliterbabe etc to try and put Skypoker on the map. Personally I like the league format over 3 months for MTTs, pretty much exactly how they used to have it worked. Not sure how you would go about picking STT and cash without it all coming down to a rake race.
    Posted by FlashFlush
    I thought I had a chance for a minute!
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  • bolly580bolly580
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    It depends what Sky want to do with TSP at the end of the day. Skypoker generally is about giving the little guy a go (I don't mean Matt Bates), so do they want to fill the team up with players who would go into the event with it being the largest they have ever played (I'd class myself in that category) or do they want to fill it with proven winners and high stakes cash players like offshoot/ljamesl/gliterbabe etc to try and put Skypoker on the map. Personally I like the league format over 3 months for MTTs, pretty much exactly how they used to have it worked. Not sure how you would go about picking STT and cash without it all coming down to a rake race.
    Posted by FlashFlush
    Think this Formatt was the best too, guys and gals who are grinding/ paying the most rake and well usualy are competent players. Also whose to say Tikay still cant just throw a few picks of his choice in too?

    say if theres 7 seats 5 from the league 2 picks?




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  • Batkin88Batkin88
    edited August 2013
    I agree with some of the above posts, if you whack in a load of cash players who don't do well in MTT's currently it is a bit pointless unless you can find the cash players who will go way out of the way to improve their MTT game.

    As the general consensus states a cash player is a better player than an MTT player as it is easier to adapt to play MTT's, I feel that as a site there are not many good cash and MTT players which will make it a far harder task to pick a team to play MTT's where the popular players are cash with a weak MTT game. Obviously there are exceptions I won't list as I wouldn't want to miss any player out.

    They should pick half and then the other half from a league format IMO
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  • SmitalosSmitalos
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    or do they want to fill it with proven winners and high stakes cash players like offshoot/ljamesl/gliterbabe etc to try and put Skypoker on the map.
    Posted by FlashFlush
    lol
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited August 2013
    But my point was that there pretty much aren't any good cash players that don't do well at MTTs...

    Apologies if I leave out names but...

    Coxy
    Beaneh
    Lol_Raise
    Offshoot
    TommyD
    Redmond Lee
    Ryan Spittles
    BigHawk
    Bolly
    lJamesl
    Jakally
    IH8PALACE
    Pryce6
    Rancid
    TinTin
    EvilPingu

    All prodominantly cash game players (afaik), but all do well in MTTs, cos imo if you can do good at cash, then you will do good at MTTs.
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  • Batkin88Batkin88
    edited August 2013

    Is there proof they are? What about the likes of divsdreams, solack, andrew1947.

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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited August 2013
    Yes there's proof, sharkscope any of them for scheduled on Sky.

    Those you named above are all good MTT players and as far as I know Andrew is the only regular cash player out of them (but I may be wrong).

    My point wasn't that MTT players aren't good at MTTs or MTT players can't be good at cash BUT

    Good cash players = good mtt players (the same definitely can't be said for the reverse).

    Obviously good MTT players are good MTT players and should be in the mix for picks too, I was just arguing against a point earlier in the thread that it should be just MTT players and cash/stt players should be ignored.
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  • liamboi11liamboi11
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    But my point was that there pretty much aren't any good cash players that don't do well at MTTs... Apologies if I leave out names but... Coxy Beaneh Lol_Raise Offshoot TommyD Redmond Lee Ryan Spittles BigHawk Bolly lJamesl Jakally IH8PALACE Pryce6 Rancid TinTin EvilPingu All prodominantly cash game players (afaik), but all do well in MTTs, cos imo if you can do good at cash, then you will do good at MTTs.
    Posted by Lambert180
    cough!

    but in all seriousness how did this get brought up in the thread about cash players not good at mtts and vice versa for mtt players. They are players that can do both and there is players that will admit they are only good at the one,regardless of what format is your best game everyone should get chance for tsp.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited August 2013
    Lol knew it wuold happen! Apologies Liamboi... another player that is a very good cash player who does very good at MTTs. Just scoped you actually, didnt realise how sick your stats were, wp

    Yeah I agree, everyone shuold get a shout, that was the point I was trying to defend. There are great MTT players, and great cash players (who will almost certainly be successful MTTers) so no1 should be excluded.
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  • Batkin88Batkin88
    edited August 2013

    I think your sharkscope is broken ;) I agree with everything you are saying though especially the likes of scotty77 and tommyd they are extremely good MTT players. For what it's worth I am a classic example of the point you are putting across I cannot play cash anywhere near the standard I play in MTT's which is depressing lol

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  • SmitalosSmitalos
    edited August 2013
    The differences between MTTs and cash are nowhere near as big as people make them out to be, imo.
    It's almost as if people think it's like comparing NLHE, to Stud, as if they're two completely different games or something??

    The only differences you'll usually find, is in:

    Bet-sizing - Self-explanatory.
    Player Pool - Cash players will become familiar with a lot of fellow grinders. In MTTs, this rarely crops up.
    ICM Considerations - Equity calculations when laddering, non-existant in Cash.
    Short-Stack Vs Deep-Stack - This one usually gets overestimated imo. It's only regarding 2bet and 3bet shoving ranges, whereby Cash players will be slightly less experienced. Whereas MTTers will almost never have dealt with 5b/6b ranges deeper into a tourney, or playing a lot of 3b/4b pots.

    Anyone who proclaims to be good at one and not the other, probably doesn't have an amazing grasp on the game, imo.
    People will say that Hellmuth is great in MTTs, but awful at Cash, and how he's a great example of someone who doesn't fit my description.

    To which I would say...
    Anyone who rates PH, again, probably doesn't have a solid grasp of the game :P Just imo! #limpylimpy
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited August 2013
    The argument of Cash v MTT players is something that will go on and on and around in circles.  Just like Live v Online players.

    The fact is that poker is such a complex game with so many variables that no one can really quantify it.  

    For every Victor Blom there will be a Shaun Deeb.  For every Julian Thew there is a Christopher Brammer.  For every MattBates there is a Style2437.

    I hope that if and when Sky do TSP, or a promotion like it, again then those selected will realise what an opportunity it is and hope they grasp it with both hands and most importantly treat it in the right spirit.

    Most people who gets chosen for TSP will be slightly out of their comfort zone anyway.  They will be going from an online 6 max format with an BIs typically of £11-£55 to a live 9 handed format of anything between £330 - £1100.

    There is a massive difference in the skillset needed, and although having a solid and winning game online will put you in good stead, there are huge differences and so many unique situations that you'll encounter live.

    I consider myself lucky to have talked at length about the live game with people like Julian Thew and Neil Channing and would advise anyone to really read/watch/listen to all the content that both those guys hvae put out there for free.
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  • EBBERDONEBBERDON
    edited August 2013
    hi all

    m.t.t are so different to cash.
    cash is like 3 card brag the man with the most money wins
    when you see the money in the top ten hands and the cards they play its unreal .
    they all have to be rich.
    I would love to be in the sky poker team im proud to wear the team colours I still wear the old kit at the spt
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    The argument of Cash v MTT players is something that will go on and on and around in circles.  Just like Live v Online players. The fact is that poker is such a complex game with so many variables that no one can really quantify it.   For every Victor Blom there will be a Shaun Deeb.  For every Julian Thew there is a Christopher Brammer.  For every MattBates there is a Style2437. I hope that if and when Sky do TSP, or a promotion like it, again then those selected will realise what an opportunity it is and hope they grasp it with both hands and most importantly treat it in the right spirit. Most people who gets chosen for TSP will be slightly out of their comfort zone anyway.  They will be going from an online 6 max format with an BIs typically of £11-£55 to a live 9 handed format of anything between £330 - £1100. There is a massive difference in the skillset needed, and although having a solid and winning game online will put you in good stead, there are huge differences and so many unique situations that you'll encounter live. I consider myself lucky to have talked at length about the live game with people like Julian Thew and Neil Channing and would advise anyone to really read/watch/listen to all the content that both those guys hvae put out there for free.
    Posted by scotty77
    +1 to this

    Being in TSP last time was such an amazing and exciting experience for me... if only so Julian could take us to the oldest pub in the country ;)

    It's a great promotion for Sky to run and I'm sure the odd Sky final tablist looks great for the site but first and foremost, I think it's just about representing the site the well. The football style TSP shirts definitely got people talking at my table at the last event and gave me a good chance to kinda tell them what it was all about etc.
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    Would take all bets on a last longer in the UKOPS. Vs Batesy, MrD, or any MTT grinder. There for the taking Dr.IDCU and Professor Sly! ;) EDIT: just realised how self-serving these posts sound. Not trying to attention wh ore guys, I pwomise. Just a stone-cold-degen :(
    Posted by Smitalos
    Count me in for the last longer sounds fun
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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation... : Count me in for the last longer sounds fun
    Posted by bearlyther
    sounds good - unfortunately i'm away for the next ukops
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  • EBBERDONEBBERDON
    edited August 2013

    I can thick of two poker players who should be strong contenders

    dave the hitman Harvey and maxally

    who agrees with me

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  • Wacko90Wacko90
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    a bad player can win an MTT a bad player will lose money playing cash that is all fwiw I would back a good poker player essentially if your a good poker player you should be good at both - key is knowing both short stack and deep stack pokerz Phil Ivey is probably the best exmaple of a complete poker player
    Posted by rancid
    In the short term a bad player can win money at playing cash too as well as an an mtt.

    Over a larger smaple a bad player will lose at both, so essentially your point proves nothing!

    Agree with having to know how to play hsort and deep. Tsp is a great idea hope it comes back bigger and better.
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  • joesman1joesman1
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    I can thick of two poker players who should be strong contenders dave the hitman Harvey and maxally who agrees with me
    Posted by EBBERDON
    Any chance of a quick autograph?
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  • LARSON7LARSON7
    edited August 2013
    Probably loads of good candidates,

    Wacko90 and Batkin88 really stand out and would be a brilliant addition to the team
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  • offshootoffshoot
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation...:
    In Response to Re: Team Sky Poker - The Next Generation... : Count me in for the last longer sounds fun
    Posted by bearlyther
    Would be interested in this.
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  • ALANSK100ALANSK100
    edited August 2013
    Macapaca FTW  he will be a graet addition to any sky poker team and also loves to play live
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