I see you use the overbet shove quite a bit, and it gets called with utter muck (see 2x gutshots above!). Just keep doing that! Whether the shove was correct on the A34 board with 33 will depend whether you'll get called by more hands that you're beating than ones that you're behind to, and on the evidence (player dependent) I think it's ok. Do it again ten times and AK AQ A3 A4 56 57 etc etc etc will make you cash. Last hand, you are the pre-flop aggressor, you're in position, and you've got an A-high board. In normal play I'd be barrelling but if people don't fold as often then check might be ok - not sure. If you think you have fold equity on the turn then the shove is ok. Posted by bbMike
cheers mate. For some reason the pocket tens hand made me seeth more than the gut shot one as at least they were drawing live for a triple up.
Well did my 2 table thingy as I was tired again today. Seems to be working. As it felt like I lost badly today yet im actually surprisl up. I feel I play better preflop with 3 tables, but better post flp with two. Since post imo is what I need to work on more, im sticking for two tables unless im feeling fresh as a daisy. Anyway as I say ive yo yoed back up to 32.44, up 8 quid for the month, and youll be pleased to know that sky officially owes me 1.16 pence. 500 point is looking bit bleak tbh.
Anyway theres the good the bad and the ugly.
the good first.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
stfc_1953
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£3.28
spsc1978
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£1.23
Your hole cards
8
10
meadowskil
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£3.26
MARYBOBBIN
Fold
spursutd
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£3.72
f8ality_
Call
£0.04
£0.18
£4.98
stfc_1953
Call
£0.02
£0.20
£3.26
spsc1978
Check
Flop
9
5
J
stfc_1953
Check
spsc1978
Check
meadowskil
Check
spursutd
Bet
£0.20
£0.40
£3.52
f8ality_
Fold
stfc_1953
Fold
spsc1978
Fold
meadowskil
Call
£0.20
£0.60
£3.06
Turn
8
meadowskil
Check
spursutd
Bet
£0.24
£0.84
£3.28
meadowskil
Raise
£0.52
£1.36
£2.54
spursutd
Call
£0.28
£1.64
£3.00
River
Q
meadowskil
Check
spursutd
Bet
£0.28
£1.92
£2.72
meadowskil
All-in
£2.54
£4.46
£0.00
spursutd
Call
£2.26
£6.72
£0.46
meadowskil
Show
8
10
spursutd
Show
J
9
meadowskil
Win
Straight to the Queen
£6.21
£6.21
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
meadowskil
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.24
fran37
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.13
Your hole cards
6
6
mealdeal
Fold
jenny867
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£3.65
Alarthur50
Fold
Stephjoe
Raise
£0.08
£0.18
£4.23
meadowskil
Call
£0.06
£0.24
£4.18
fran37
Call
£0.04
£0.28
£2.09
jenny867
Fold
Flop
J
3
6
meadowskil
Check
fran37
Check
Stephjoe
Check
Turn
K
meadowskil
Bet
£0.21
£0.49
£3.97
fran37
Call
£0.21
£0.70
£1.88
Stephjoe
Call
£0.21
£0.91
£4.02
River
5
meadowskil
All-in
£3.97
£4.88
£0.00
fran37
All-in
£1.88
£6.76
£0.00
Stephjoe
Fold
meadowskil
Unmatched bet
£2.09
£4.67
£2.09
meadowskil
Show
6
6
fran37
Show
9
K
meadowskil
Win
Three 6s
£4.31
£6.40
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
DanV
Sit out
Damian296
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£6.05
thehawke
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£5.56
Your hole cards
A
A
brettiboy
Raise
£0.08
£0.14
£2.92
meadowskil
Raise
£0.28
£0.42
£3.66
Damian296
Fold
thehawke
Raise
£0.44
£0.86
£5.12
brettiboy
Fold
meadowskil
All-in
£3.66
£4.52
£0.00
thehawke
All-in
£5.12
£9.64
£0.00
thehawke
Unmatched bet
£1.66
£7.98
£1.66
thehawke
Show
A
4
meadowskil
Show
A
A
Flop
4
6
6
Turn
10
River
8
meadowskil
Win
Two Pairs, Aces and 6s
£7.38
£7.38
My personal favourite of the night.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
shane360
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£8.49
Funky17
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£1.13
Your hole cards
8
Q
quidnunk28
Fold
J_JHNSN
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£5.18
iceman779
Fold
meadowskil
Raise
£0.20
£0.30
£3.80
shane360
Call
£0.18
£0.48
£8.31
Funky17
Fold
J_JHNSN
Call
£0.16
£0.64
£5.02
Flop
9
J
10
shane360
Check
J_JHNSN
Bet
£0.48
£1.12
£4.54
meadowskil
All-in
£3.80
£4.92
£0.00
shane360
Fold
J_JHNSN
Call
£3.32
£8.24
£1.22
J_JHNSN
Show
9
9
meadowskil
Show
8
Q
Turn
7
River
3
meadowskil
Win
Straight to the Queen
£7.62
£7.62
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
J4cksn5
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.68
hhyftrftdr
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£3.96
Your hole cards
5
8
maxb1ack
Fold
Barbydoll
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£3.04
hawaian
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£3.73
meadowskil
Raise
£0.12
£0.26
£3.32
J4cksn5
Call
£0.10
£0.36
£4.58
hhyftrftdr
Fold
Barbydoll
Call
£0.08
£0.44
£2.96
hawaian
Call
£0.08
£0.52
£3.65
Flop
2
7
K
J4cksn5
Check
Barbydoll
Bet
£0.12
£0.64
£2.84
hawaian
Fold
meadowskil
All-in
£3.32
£3.96
£0.00
J4cksn5
Call
£3.32
£7.28
£1.26
Barbydoll
Fold
J4cksn5
Show
Q
5
meadowskil
Show
5
8
Turn
Q
River
A
meadowskil
Win
Flush to the King
£6.73
£6.73
Then theres the bad. I tink this suited over shove is only good on jack and below flops with ace king, as if the other guy even had just king queen we still coin flip and I lose with the rake. Only queen jack is profitable with this flop. So perhaps a reraise, then check the turn???what you guys thnk?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
stfc_1953
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£5.48
nuk_em
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£4.65
Your hole cards
A
K
flicks12
Raise
£0.12
£0.18
£1.19
emad1960
Fold
meadowskil
Raise
£0.36
£0.54
£3.15
xx529
Fold
stfc_1953
Fold
nuk_em
Fold
flicks12
Call
£0.24
£0.78
£0.95
Flop
Q
8
6
flicks12
Check
meadowskil
All-in
£3.15
£3.93
£0.00
flicks12
All-in
£0.95
£4.88
£0.00
meadowskil
Unmatched bet
£2.20
£2.68
£2.20
flicks12
Show
A
Q
meadowskil
Show
A
K
Turn
5
River
6
flicks12
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 6s
£2.47
£2.47
This hand I tried to check the river to call a value bet on the off chance he had the ace, as I had a gut feeling he did. It was one of those weird situations like when you have pocket kings and you really suspect the good tight player has aces but you shove anyway. What you guy think?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
stfc_1953
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£5.48
nuk_em
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£4.65
Your hole cards
A
K
flicks12
Raise
£0.12
£0.18
£1.19
emad1960
Fold
meadowskil
Raise
£0.36
£0.54
£3.15
xx529
Fold
stfc_1953
Fold
nuk_em
Fold
flicks12
Call
£0.24
£0.78
£0.95
Flop
Q
8
6
flicks12
Check
meadowskil
All-in
£3.15
£3.93
£0.00
flicks12
All-in
£0.95
£4.88
£0.00
meadowskil
Unmatched bet
£2.20
£2.68
£2.20
flicks12
Show
A
Q
meadowskil
Show
A
K
Turn
5
River
6
flicks12
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 6s
£2.47
£2.47
AND THE UGLY!!.This was a shocker. For some reason I was very negative going into this hand. When he rerasied me I initially wanted to shove, then talked myelf he might have kings/aces. and the rest is well..just mess, I talked myself into losing this hand. It pains me to put this one up.
for some reason it wouldn't let me post up my disaster hands so here they are, the embarrassing pocket queens picke I got myself in...yuck
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Stephjoe
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.19
meadowskil
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£6.36
Your hole cards
Q
Q
mealdeal
Fold
jenny867
Fold
Alarthur50
Fold
Stephjoe
Raise
£0.06
£0.12
£4.13
meadowskil
Raise
£0.16
£0.28
£6.20
Stephjoe
Raise
£0.24
£0.52
£3.89
meadowskil
Call
£0.12
£0.64
£6.08
Flop
8
10
9
Stephjoe
Bet
£0.32
£0.96
£3.57
meadowskil
Call
£0.32
£1.28
£5.76
Turn
6
Stephjoe
Check
meadowskil
Check
River
A
Stephjoe
Bet
£0.04
£1.32
£3.53
meadowskil
Call
£0.04
£1.36
£5.72
Stephjoe
Show
A
K
meadowskil
Muck
Q
Q
Stephjoe
Win
Pair of Aces
£1.25
£4.78
this one I tried to check the river to induce a value bet as I had a gut feeling he had ace of diamonds, but he put me in the horrible postion of the all in call, should I have folded?
£0.02
£0.02
£3.56
RikDunne
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£6.34
Your hole cards
K
Q
Stephjoe
Fold
meadowskil
Raise
£0.12
£0.18
£3.58
Alarthur50
Call
£0.12
£0.30
£2.97
mealdeal
Fold
bigAL_69
Fold
RikDunne
Call
£0.08
£0.38
£6.26
Flop
5
A
J
RikDunne
Check
meadowskil
Bet
£0.08
£0.46
£3.50
Alarthur50
Call
£0.08
£0.54
£2.89
RikDunne
Fold
Turn
6
meadowskil
Check
Alarthur50
Check
River
K
meadowskil
Check
Alarthur50
All-in
£2.89
£3.43
£0.00
meadowskil
Call
£2.89
£6.32
£0.61
meadowskil
Show
K
Q
Alarthur50
Show
4
A
Alarthur50
Win
Flush to the Ace
£5.84
As mentioned im not sure a queen board gives me correct odds, as any king queen or ace queen is less than coin flip at 46 percent, if you throw in rake as well, im screwed.
First hand; i would have re raised the 24p bet to about 60-70, on such a wet flop i would be shoving.
2nd hand, people at 4nl are not normally lieing, i know we have the second nuts, but to such an over bet, the vast majority of the time it is the nuts here.
Hand 3 i was going to say i don't like the ship but just seen the stack behind, if our AK is live we are getting ok odds.
Hey Mate, First hand; i would have re raised the 24p bet to about 60-70, on such a wet flop i would be shoving. 2nd hand, people at 4nl are not normally lieing, i know we have the second nuts, but to such an over bet, the vast majority of the time it is the nuts here. Hand 3 i was going to say i don't like the ship but just seen the stack behind, if our AK is live we are getting ok odds. Posted by LARSON7
The queens hand I really wanted to shove preflop tbh. But I was really negative for some reason and paranoid throughout the whole hand. I don't know why, perhaps the tiredness.
Yea the second hand again I really wanted to fold, but didn't. your right though. I was hoping he would raise at tops a quid...
Tired end of the week feeling, so two tabled again. Didn't play my A game today, and again felt I was down but ended up 5 quid up. Had some so bad rivers but kept my head up mentally believed in my own game and won back all my losses and the some.
Now up to 37.20 and up 12.70 since starting the journey. Will I get to the elusive 40 quid barrier???
the bad...
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
meadowskil
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£6.53
irvine121
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£1.95
Your hole cards
A
Q
patric1957
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£1.48
Andy_Horns
Fold
podster666
Fold
specialK5
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£2.94
meadowskil
Raise
£0.20
£0.34
£6.33
irvine121
Fold
patric1957
Call
£0.18
£0.52
£1.30
specialK5
Fold
Flop
5
10
6
meadowskil
Check
patric1957
Check
Turn
Q
meadowskil
Check
patric1957
Bet
£0.08
£0.60
£1.22
meadowskil
All-in
£6.33
£6.93
£0.00
patric1957
All-in
£1.22
£8.15
£0.00
meadowskil
Unmatched bet
£5.03
£3.12
£5.03
meadowskil
Show
A
Q
patric1957
Show
J
K
River
K
patric1957
Win
Pair of Kings
£2.88
£2.88
This one hurt as I got my money in good.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
irvine121
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£1.60
patric1957
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.84
Your hole cards
K
10
Andy_Horns
Raise
£0.08
£0.14
£3.17
Zeextenr
Fold
cactusjac
Fold
meadowskil
Call
£0.08
£0.22
£4.02
irvine121
Fold
patric1957
Call
£0.04
£0.26
£2.80
Flop
9
Q
7
patric1957
Check
Andy_Horns
Bet
£0.12
£0.38
£3.05
meadowskil
Call
£0.12
£0.50
£3.90
patric1957
Fold
Turn
J
Andy_Horns
Bet
£0.16
£0.66
£2.89
meadowskil
All-in
£3.90
£4.56
£0.00
Andy_Horns
All-in
£2.89
£7.45
£0.00
meadowskil
Unmatched bet
£0.85
£6.60
£0.85
Andy_Horns
Show
K
9
meadowskil
Show
K
10
River
4
Andy_Horns
Win
Flush to the King
£6.10
£6.10
Lucikly the good, can someone please tell me if I played the king jack suited flush draw correctly or not as I don't want to think I completely lucked out mathermaticlly.
3rd hand you are a massive dog. I would be folding this here. If you ran that hand 100 times, you are probably losing it 60-70 times. Posted by LARSON7
I agree mate statically a set had me beat, but as shown by my ace king suited to back door jack ten split pot straight people can call you with anything. Also what I was referring to was odds with the usual hands that would call, would I be losing or winning in the long term??
losing, you have about a 1 in 3 chance of hitting your flush. If your king is live slightly more than a 1/3 chance. Posted by LARSON7
but your assuming knowng the cards, don't forget one of the callers had an open ender, and as shown on the ace king, people go all in with gut shots. Admittidly my theory is purely on "average" on 2 p 4 p and not playing the person.
I think ill calm down on my flush draw shoves seems like you have proven it to long term loser. Which I agree looking at the maths.
hi mate,thought i'd have a look and see how you're doing. all looking good to me,and i'm sure you will soon get past that £40 barrier and be looking for £50. keep it going mate, best wishes & gl
Last day and a half ive kept up the two tabling, and its still working. Nothing revolutionary but slowly jugging away and im up to 43.95, from my 24.50 starting original buy in I had from the 6th of april. Playing okay lately. I eally want to move back up to 3, as it will be much more profitable in the long run. But as shown on this thread I was doing some silly niggles here and there post flop, and the 3 tables(especially when tired) was taking that post flop edge away from me.
What I might start doing is two tabling, then adding a table for the last half an hour, does that sound sensible? But not until I up my bankroll first.
Anyway some nice hands, but still feel the maths could be more in my favour, but I shouldn't complain. At the moment im playing really ABC style, but I feel I have a plan B now for tighter tables, and a style for loser tables. So my games getting much more depth to it. Ive also started to play more heads up on empty tables. They say a true good player should never be afraid of heads up. So what better to learn then heads up for low stakes, and the tables fill up quickly anyway.
if you are winning playing 2 tables i'd stick to it. from my cash experiences this year,every time I play more tables I lose. I have tried playing 9 6 4 & 2 tables I am now playing just 1 lol which seems to be going ok atm.
Mixed day, but up to 53.80. So up 8 quid for the day, up 29 quid fr the month and up 146 quid since march the 6th.
Mixed day with two key hands
KATHY22
Call
£0.64
£2.36
£1.34
abbott09
Call
£0.64
£3.00
£6.00
Flop
4
5
8
KATHY22
Check
abbott09
Bet
£0.28
£3.28
£5.72
meadowskil
Call
£0.28
£3.56
£4.69
KATHY22
All-in
£1.34
£4.90
£0.00
abbott09
Call
£1.06
£5.96
£4.66
meadowskil
All-in
£4.69
£10.65
£0.00
abbott09
Call
£3.63
£14.28
£1.03
KATHY22
Show
A
10
abbott09
Show
A
2
meadowskil
Show
Q
Q
Turn
4
River
2
meadowskil
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 4s
£13.20
£13.20
and the not so good, I should have checked the flop to be honest to get pot control. but had a flush draw with the ace so battled on. How should I played this hand???
withdrew 35 quid for this month, up 5 quid on my innitial buy in, and withdrawns 170 quid+ since march the 6th on my first attempt. Unfortunately i need every penny as possible so cant play in a while. But a breaks a good things and maing a profit with all the errors ive made is a good things. Been really busy at work Also so not had a chance to lay as much.
Will reload with 25/30 quid once ive beenpaid and start playing more in june hopefully.
up 1 pound, again played for one hour. A profits a profit, I played solid ABC stuff. A few lose continuation bets but overall happy with reduced leaks.
Down a couple of quid to 28.22. you could say things are not going my way atm.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
lufc333
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£3.63
slackalice
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£3.58
Your hole cards
A
A
Nanamve
Fold
meadowskil
Raise
£0.20
£0.26
£3.28
TRAPPER
Fold
saqueti
Call
£0.20
£0.46
£6.90
lufc333
Call
£0.18
£0.64
£3.45
slackalice
Call
£0.16
£0.80
£3.42
Flop
J
4
4
lufc333
Check
slackalice
Check
meadowskil
Bet
£0.80
£1.60
£2.48
saqueti
Fold
lufc333
Fold
slackalice
Raise
£1.60
£3.20
£1.82
meadowskil
All-in
£2.48
£5.68
£0.00
slackalice
Call
£1.68
£7.36
£0.14
slackalice
Show
K
K
meadowskil
Show
A
A
Turn
10
River
K
slackalice
Win
Full House, Kings and 4s
£6.80
£6.94
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
garner909
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£7.41
freeland25
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.58
Your hole cards
K
K
reddeath14
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£2.55
chiz54
Fold
meadowskil
Raise
£0.24
£0.34
£3.42
garner909
Fold
freeland25
Call
£0.20
£0.54
£2.38
reddeath14
Fold
Flop
3
8
9
freeland25
Bet
£0.12
£0.66
£2.26
meadowskil
All-in
£3.42
£4.08
£0.00
freeland25
All-in
£2.26
£6.34
£0.00
meadowskil
Unmatched bet
£1.04
£5.30
£1.04
freeland25
Show
5
8
meadowskil
Show
K
K
Turn
5
River
7
freeland25
Win
Two Pairs, 8s and 5s
£4.90
£4.90
But I have had 1 hand where I lost 3 quid and I was fishing for a open ender and I shoved with two all ins, so I was getting 3-1. But even so it was rubbish. but other than tha tive been playing ok.
back up to 30.46. Its really eird, I don't know if its because im putting in small volume since my month off. Bt im not losing or gaining. I take a step back, win money back, take a step foreward, think im going to go on a nice run and then have a beat down. Im bein very sensible, perhaps to sensible with my volume ive cocked at best 6/7 hours sincd my July return. So therefore not really settling in. But it seems tougher, a lot of people are on holiday and the weathers nice, so to be fair they probs doing other stuff.
Anyhow I apologised for this hand to the guy, because I thought I lucked out, but then checked on my odds calculator and realised that I actually was slightly better than a coin flip at 53 %, so I shouldn't have really apologised, especially with the run ive had.
got my money in again and I was a coin toss advantage with 4 percent. You guessed it I lost. Im not changing my game, I am really happy with my game from a technical stand point. Just people seem to be hitting against me.
The AA hand shoving there makes no sense, you are making them fold loads of PP's and basically only getting called by a ten? Maybe KK QQ still giving em a chance to fold. Posted by Batkin88
I agree actually, I have been thinking this for a while. WOULD YOU DO 3/4 pot size bets?
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Anyway theres the good the bad and the ugly.
the good first.
Then theres the bad. I tink this suited over shove is only good on jack and below flops with ace king, as if the other guy even had just king queen we still coin flip and I lose with the rake. Only queen jack is profitable with this flop. So perhaps a reraise, then check the turn???what you guys thnk?
This hand I tried to check the river to call a value bet on the off chance he had the ace, as I had a gut feeling he did. It was one of those weird situations like when you have pocket kings and you really suspect the good tight player has aces but you shove anyway. What you guy think?
AND THE UGLY!!.This was a shocker. For some reason I was very negative going into this hand. When he rerasied me I initially wanted to shove, then talked myelf he might have kings/aces. and the rest is well..just mess, I talked myself into losing this hand. It pains me to put this one up.
Let me knw what you guys think
Hey Mate,
First hand; i would have re raised the 24p bet to about 60-70, on such a wet flop i would be shoving.
2nd hand, people at 4nl are not normally lieing, i know we have the second nuts, but to such an over bet, the vast majority of the time it is the nuts here.
Hand 3 i was going to say i don't like the ship but just seen the stack behind, if our AK is live we are getting ok odds.
Yea the second hand again I really wanted to fold, but didn't. your right though. I
was hoping he would raise at tops a quid...
Now up to 37.20 and up 12.70 since starting the journey. Will I get to the elusive 40 quid barrier???
the bad...
I would be folding this here. If you ran that hand 100 times, you are probably losing it 60-70 times.
I think ill calm down on my flush draw shoves seems like you have proven it to long term loser. Which I agree looking at the maths.
CHEERS mate.
hi mate,thought i'd have a look and see how you're doing.
all looking good to me,and i'm sure you will soon get past that £40 barrier and be looking for £50.
keep it going mate,
best wishes & gl
dev
What I might start doing is two tabling, then adding a table for the last half an hour, does that sound sensible? But not until I up my bankroll first.
Anyway some nice hands, but still feel the maths could be more in my favour, but I shouldn't complain. At the moment im playing really ABC style, but I feel I have a plan B now for tighter tables, and a style for loser tables. So my games getting much more depth to it. Ive also started to play more heads up on empty tables. They say a true good player should never be afraid of heads up. So what better to learn then heads up for low stakes, and the tables fill up quickly anyway.
if you are winning playing 2 tables i'd stick to it.
from my cash experiences this year,every time I play more tables I lose.
I have tried playing 9 6 4 & 2 tables
I am now playing just 1 lol
which seems to be going ok atm.
good luck
dev
2 tabled again today and completely ulcked out. Then folded for 2 hour s then left. Nothing really to add to that to be honest.
Up to 47.95 pence. And up 22 quid from my initial buy in.
Mixed day with two key hands
2 tabled today to keep me out of the vitamin d. Finshed up 32 p.
Played fantastic, I was fresh and played very few silly hands, prob the best ive played since .
I have put in 30 quid and had a 2 quid 30 p cash bonus so up to 32.60.
Down a couple of quid to 28.22. you could say things are not going my way atm.
Anyhow I apologised for this hand to the guy, because I thought I lucked out, but then checked on my odds calculator and realised that I actually was slightly better than a coin flip at 53 %, so I shouldn't have really apologised, especially with the run ive had.
Down to 20.89, ill post up some hands so some expert analysis would be great.
Maybe KK QQ still giving em a chance to fold.
I agree actually, I have been thinking this for a while. WOULD YOU DO 3/4 pot size bets?