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Does one 'irrational, delusional and subjective' opinion hold as much weight as another 'logical, reasoned and objective' one.
2) Challenging opinion is key to bettering others as well as ourselves. You seem to feel as if everyone's views should be respected equally, or something along those lines. Which, again, isn't true. Would you say the same if we were debating racial equality between an equal rights activist, and a racist? Should those opinions be respected? Should their beliefs be left unridiculed?
3) Incredibly pretentious, and no way to act publicly on this forum. Undermining him will do you no favours, but to make you more enemies than friends in your lifetime. Especially if your base for this attitude, is versus someone who is constantly questioning others views and opinions. If they hold any weight, they'll stand up to his scrutiny. If not, then it's time to put the ol' critical thinking shoes on, and come to a better fundamental understanding of the topic at hand.
1) Whatever gesture Sky give FC it is well deserved
2)Honestly, it affects no one else
3) It does not diminish the community and other peoples contributions
4) If sky rewards people for contributions fair enough and if they don't fair enough
5) People get involved /contribute because they want to, doubt "prizes" come into peoples thoughts.
For what its worth i think Sky has a great community, and in my opinion this has just been blown out of all proportion.
nuff said
Regards ALAN
Smitalos - " Just as ONE example to entertain your question, take for example Mr. TommyD before he became associated with Sky."
Dunmidosh - "Isn't Tommy D a Mod? Isn't his role to scrutinise and comment?"
Not only have you glazed over the bolded part, but you seem to misunderstand what a moderators duties are/entail.
Even if we gave you a HUGE benefit of the doubt. Conceding that BorinLoners posts are (and I'd have no idea how this conclusion could ever reached) mean, unfair, biased... whatever you want to label him with. AND that Tommy deserves nothing for his great posts back in the PRE-Mod days, because he's a mod now (lol)....
Smitalos "...EVEN THEN my point still stands.
e.g. What about Lambert180's quirky posts, where's his £5 mini-primo seat?
Or future posters, can they expect the same prize when they contribute an amount similar to FCHD?
Who gets to decide this, and why does everyone feel that the selfless effort of an individual necessitates a financial reward? What's wrong with those who want to give back too him, giving? The list could go on."
By trying to explain why my example was imperfect, you've created one of debatings' greatest sins. Instead of focussing on the point trying to be made, and addressing the flaws or potential pitfalls of it, you've attacked an imperfect example, while arguing semantics. Nitpicking almost irrelavant parts of it, that have no bearing on the point I'm trying to make, backing it up solely on opinion and subjective experience.
For example: "Your posts have tainted someone who was over the moon about winning £15 in a DYM the other day I think they were mean and hurtful"
Well I don't think they were mean or hurtful.
Boom. See how we're getting nowhere?
I think the posts given by myself and Borin were honest, objective observations of a difficult situation, whereby our own somewhat contraversial opinions were well substantiated with logic and reason.
In summary, your post is nothing but a defensive shun at rational claims because you interpret the situation differently to us. Explain yourself. Instead of expecting to be taken as seriously as more reasonable posts, just because you have strong feelings for your position.
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I thought the purpose was to suggest a reward in relation to how helpful and insightful the thread was to anyone who read it.
I didn't realise it was to compare against other threads/posters
nor did I believe it was a platform to set in stone future rewards for contributing members.
I'm glad to see Bugaloo posted because he too was excellent in his coverage of last years WSOP and a number of other threads to boot!
I do think some comments should have been made with more consideration for FCHD
and I hope whatever tournament he is entered for, he achieves his biggest reward ever from playing.
Whether it be from cash, experience or fun! hopefully all three!!
As the original OP i just wanted to express my thanks to FCHD for his contribution to the forum , and that any prize / reward would be highly deserved.
That's all
The question was asked "What sort of reward should we give to FCHD for his hard work?"
A response was given: "An SPT seat"
Another response was given: "A Primo seat seems more reasonable to me" and reasons for having reached that conclusion were offered. These reasons included what Sky Poker would likely deem reasonable and what would seem fair in relation to other posters.
Several of the people who gave the first response chose to turn their ire onto the person making the second suggestion, rather than disagree and make their point rationally. This should not be acceptable behaviour on this forum. As it happens on this occasion I was actually defending myself, but anyone who pays any attention will have seen me defend many other people from this sort of thing in the past.
Some here have chosen to erroneously - possibly disingenuously - portray my posts on this thread as complaints. The truth is that there is nothing to complain about, as this is all about answering the question, which you have identified DUNMIDOSH. Nothing has yet been offered so it is simply impossible for anyone to have complained about it. The only complaint that could have been made would have been about the possibility of anything being offered at all. As you'll note, and as I have pointed out many times, nobody on this thread has made such an assertion. Nobody has, as you put it, "...made an issue out of something good happening..."
You are correct that criticism should be taken with grace. However, such criticism on this forum should be made regarding the substance of the debate, not the character of those involved. Several posters have crossed that line and have deservedly been rebuked for doing so, by myself and others.
You are free to believe that my opinions are tosh, however I have gone about things in absolutely the correct way in making my points. I can not agree with any unfounded accusations to the contrary. If anything written in this thread has been intended as mean and hurtful, it is difficult to see that such things were my responsibility.
I have respect for a great many of the posters on this thread for their contributions to this forum. I have met one or two and have respect for them personally. I don't want this thread to detract from any of that, however I will not tolerate my own or anyone else's character being called into question merely on the basis of a disagreement about who should be given tournament entries and of what value those should be.
My opinion has been offered and those making the decision have the option of accepting it or dismissing it. Whatever reward FCHD is eventually given, he will have my congratulations and best wishes.
BL, your own analogy might illustrate the point well. If you bought your sister a Tonka Toy it is your choice and your decision, it is your gift to your sister. If you gave your brother a Ferrari, it is similarly your choice, decision and gift. It is between you and your siblings.
If, however, your neighbour came to your door and said that was unfair, what would you say? The neighbour could have debated that the brother should not get a ferrari, but a tonka toy instead. He could have argued that the sister should get a Frerrari. No doubt you'd listen but you wouldn't really think it is any of his business.
In this debate, you are tikay's and FCDH's neighbour.
... and you don't want anyone to get the Ferrari.
wow bet the sister felt really happy about that situation
If I was the neighbour I would be like surely that's not fair, but's that just my opinion.
To make your analogy work, you would have to say that my neighbour came to me and asked my opinion on what would be fair, before he's actually bought anything for anyone. I tell him that he should reward both his brother and sister equally...
You and others would then play the role of the neighbourhood kids, coming round to egg my house because they gave my neighbour a different answer and weren't happy with what I had said.
I read FCHD's thead as well and expressed my thanks to him on that, as I have to others on their threads
Can't believe the thread has gone in the direction it has, but everyone is entitled to their opinion
If Sky decide they also want to express their thanks, in whichever way they decide, then that is their decision and nothing at all to do with me or anyone else.
all appear to agree that if Sky did do this then it would be well deserved and that should be that
£220 "wages" in my opinion would not be too much for the time and effort put in.
I wonder if he will do it next year,i would not.
lol
"... and you don't want anyone to get the Ferrari."
This thread has got pretty funny lol ps wats a tonka toy
http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/metal-tonka-trucks
Can they not give a tonka ferarri, then everyone would be happy lol
What we're saying, for example...
Is if both children have been extremely well-behaved all year...
One of them get's a Ferrari.
While the other one...
Gets a brick. -.-
Sound fair?
This is just one example of why your analogy holds little weight, not to mention Xmas is a time where people typically get given something for nothing. So, while it's arguable that a brick is better than no present at all... it doesn't relate to the case in point, as people are being rewarded X for Y.
Thus, this is why the neighbours (me and Borin etc) are speaking up about it! lol
That doesn't mean that other posters who have been mentioned and do great work deserve less or more.
Its a freebee after all and anything free is nice.
I can see both sides of the debate but think its unfair to judge one posters contribution against anothers.
Like most debates online both sides are sure they are right and will try hard to get there points across.
But at the end of the day both sides will still think they are right.
Whatever FCHD gets he deserves and whatever the other great posters get be they in the clinic, poker chat or punters corner they deserve aswell.
I really like the community on Sky always read but rarely post.
I just taught this was getting a bit well serious.
I respect both sides and in all honesty there isn't a right answer to this debate.
Hopefully we can all understand the other sides thinking and just say we don't agree.