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Double Poker Points -Another promotion aimed at cash players only.......
Is it me or are 90% of sky promotions aimed at cash players only. Last month it was golden tickets (cash only), this month - double points (cash only). Not to mention happy hours etc.. And there's the fact for sng players there's no jump in rakeback from 5k points all the way up to 20k points......
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I don't like it very much either, but we have to face facts.
The simple answer to your question is no. Yes these particular promotions are aimed at cash but you have to remember the ongoing promotions aimed at the mtts.
The jackpot runs 7 days a weeks all the time not just for a month. And although stt's dont get much of a push at all the mtt push is continual and big. Bearing in mind the jackpot is £5000 on offer daily which far exceeds anything possible on the cash promotions.
The cash tables are getting a big push but it is still way below the money being offered for the mtts. And that is before we even mention the highly successful premiership competition.
Hi - we've posted a response to a similar question fairly recently - see here
Much of this still applies.
Thanks
Sky Poker
First: 3/2/2013
Last: 8/9/2013
Posted by Sky_Poker
For SNG players:
The Final Table Jackpot - N/A for SNG players
Several Freerolls every day - available to all
Tournaments can have overlay which is free value - N/A for SNG players
UKOPS is coming again soon - N/A for SNG players
SPT events all year round - N/A for SNG players
The Syndicate Freeroll each week - available to all
The monthly Super Roller - N/A for SNG players
Various MTT prizes given away on facebook and twitter - N/A for SNG players
The upcoming Sky Poker Premiership - available to all
Not seeing all that much overlap!
On the reply lined to on the other thread, you mentioned you've done promotions for STTs as well.
I can't remember one in the last 12 months or so, but I'm probably wrong. Can you remind me please?
Need to be a multi table no sleep nutter to do any thing.Guess who won and what his usual game is.
All the points based promos revolve around giving players more back.
Why not take less away in the first place?
To low rakers there isn't any difference between 300 points and 600 points really.
Even up 1 level, I dnt notice if I make 2k or 4k points.
Half price rake on each sit n go format for a day or 2 a week?
Maybe a rake free hour twice a day on all sngs for a week?
Give people the incentive to try formats they wouldn't normally play. Maybe they'll continue to play them after the promo and the games will be healthier long term.
OK, so we had a promo biased towards a few high stakes DYM players just over 12 months ago. Anything since?
How about a double points on STTs week, or even a 10% drop in rake for a week?
I'm trying to be constructive here, I recognise why most of the promos are cash-related, just asking for a bone towards Sit & Go players occasionally!
I was "happy" with the reason of why you originally put up that list of promotions. i.e. because there's a lot of overlap of players between mtt and sng.
I did follow up your response by saying don't forget "sng only players". I wouldn't say I was happy with the promo's in relation to sng players in comparison to MTT and Cash players overall.
Cash and MTTs have promotions that run all year round as well I.e. jackpot, reduced rake, happy hour and early bird etc sng's have the odd promo. Two since the start of 2013, if I'm right, one of which was to promote a new format of sng's.
That's a bit of a jumble but hope it makes sense
Reduced rake at specific times of the day.
Golden ticket sng only.
And as kinich says points boosts.
Turbo Tuesday was good when you got double points even once a month would be good.
I'd rather not have another promotion like that thanks.
Anyway, that's not really what I was going to say:
Battle Of The Planets on Stars is undoubtedly (I think) the best SNG promotion out there. Why not copy this, albeit on a smaller scale?
Now I'll provide a possible answer to my own question:
A promotion such as BOTP works on Stars because of the enormous traffic. How can you expect a smaller version on Sky to draw away that traffic? Well, you can't.
If I play 200 £5 sng's/mtts and didn't get ANY points whatsoever but got rake of 7.5% like cash I would be better off! Cash players have extra promo's on top of this 7.5% rake also. Realise this wasn't your main point but I felt the need to comment.
To save people wanting to check the maths:
Current (10% rake and points):
200 games at £5.
Total Stake = £1000
Total Rake = £100
Total points = 1000 pts
Value of points (@1.5p per point) = £15
Rake less reward= £85
7.5% no points:
as above total stake = £1000
Total rake = £75
Amongst other things, you pay rake on every hand that sees a flop on a cash table, so the amount of money available to the table is reduced over time. The same is not true in tournaments where the whole amount of the prize pool is secure.
Rake is also not paid as a percentage of your actual stack, it's drawn from the amount put in the pot. In MTT's and SNG's, you effectively pay a little over 9% of your buy-in as fees before you even start but then that's it, you pay no more.
Rake and tournament fees are not the same thing.
The only relevant fact regarding the rakeback received is the amount paid in rake or fees to the site, and therefore taken "off the table". Every pound paid for MTT poker generates 166% of the rewards points for a pound paid at a cash table. That's just how it is.
MTT's and SNG's return a higher rakeback (before 10k points) for the same service, relative to the cash tables.
I edited my last post before your reply. The basic point I was adding is that tournament fees are a single flat fee paid at the start of the tournament, effectively charged as a proportion of your total stack. Rake in cash is generated by the amount you draw from each pot...
You can't compare rake on cash tables to fees in tournaments, though. They're just not the same.
Rake on cash tables is paid as either 7.5% or 5% of every pot that goes to a flop, up to a maximum of (IIRC) £1.60 or £1.80. It's not charged as a percentage of the amount you sit down with. If nobody tops-up their stacks at a cash table and you keep playing, eventually the money on the table reaches zero and you've all paid 100% of your pull-up in rake (Obviously that would never happen in reality but it could in theory). The longer you play, the more you pay.
Fees are charged as a flat rate at the start of every tournament. 9% of your total buy-in goes to the site... but then no more. No matter how long you play, only 9% of your money is paid to the site. Obviously that's different to paying 7.5% of the amount you win from each pot.
If a cash player pays £1 to the site he gets 6 reward points. If an MTT player pays £1 to the site he gets 10 reward points. How many hands each of those £1 comes from is unknown. The profit or loss each player made from those hands is also unknown. It's just that they've both paid £1 and one has received more reward points than the other.