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Quite often, we get it in with Aces, & get beaten for the high by some bag of spanners that hits 2 pairs, but we hit our "Emergency Low" (A-8 or whatever) & get the Low Pot. A mixture of disappointment & relief, we lost but we never lost.
Or we have Aces, & our danglers win the pot by hitting 2 pair. Ooohhh.
I have searched but cant find a Post on the Community somewhere, where a chap asked a few days ago if the same cards could be used for BOTH Pots in PLO8.
The answer is "yes".
Think of it this way. We are playing two seperate games, with two seperate pots. Any 2 cards from our 4 can be used in either pot, we can use the same 2 twice, or a different two, or any combo.
For example, if we have a hand that includes A-2 of hearts, & the board runs out 4h-5s-7h-Kh-Qc, we use the A-2 of hearts in our hand to claim BOTH pots.
If you are unsure what is the best hand, there is an Option which shows the hand description for your two hands on the Table, it will say, for example, "Ace High Straight", & "No Low". Only youi can see this. It is very useful for those learning the game.
I'll try & answer that shortly, also your other question, I just need to do some other bits & bobs first.
But I will, later this morning. It won't be an interesting reply though, as I am a fairly odd individual with a very eclectic range of habits.
Plenty
Start with patience. Play tight in the first 4 or 5 levels
Limping is OK (and often the best play) early in a DYM/MTT
Forget most of what you learned about Hold'em - it's a completely different game
Don't get attached to one pair or a set. Chances are slim that these will hold up to be the winning high hand
Start off playing hands that have a chance to win both pots. If you only win one out of the two pots available you're not making chips
Recognise when ther won't be a low hand and that the high hand will take the lot
Realise that a lot (and I mean a lot) of the pots will be chopped
Beware playing A2 with the low pot in mind, someone else could be doing the same thing and you will end up with only half of the low pot
Don't get tilted that someone outdraws you, even if they have a completely rubbish hand to start with. Omaha (in all its variants) is a drawing game, and in the long run you will make as many cruel outdraws as others do to you.
If you're dealt quads pre-flop, muck them. You're effectively playing one pair with no chance to improve to a set, a straight or a flush, and you can't make a low hand.
That'll do for starters....
Couple more pointers for you.
1) AAxx is not the nuts. Needs to be played with caution.
2) A2xx is not the nuts. Unless you have a good chance of winning the Hi then it should be binned
3) Never ever call big bets in a HU pot chasing a Lo draw only. You are just calling hoping to get lucky and thereby get your chips back.
4) Hand priority order
Hi hand
Scoop
Lo hand.
There is always a Hi and you should be looking to win that. When a Lo is available then you need to be looking to scoop that is win Hi and Lo. Lo only is only splitting at best.
5) Be careful of having outs in your hand and dead. That is 3 or 4 of a kind or of a suit.
6) Always be aware that the board changes with every card that comes down and at any stage you only have the temporary nuts.
A dangler is a card that doesnt work with the rest of your cards.
A good example As Ks Kd 9h
The 9 is the dangler because it is on its own and doesnt not go with the other cards to make any sort of draw.
Thanks Tikay, I know we have been asking for a long while. Nice to see the suits have eventually taken notice. Would a £3.30 DYM be too much to ask for?
You would then need four different low cards on the board to obtain a valid low hand.
eg: hold cards A 2 9 Q
Flop 2 10 4
Your 2 has been counterfeited and you would need runner runner non pairing low cards to achieve a valid low hand.
Fancy living in a world where we refused to help each other, or share our knowelerdge, it'd be dreadful.
For those not in the loop.......
I believe Mr Footsie mainly plays HU PLO8 SNG's, but in the last 3 or 4 days, has played every £11 PLO8 DYM which has run, along with myself.
More than any player I have seen in these, he understands the crucial stack dynamics when 4 handed, especially when there is one shortie, as there often is. Simply, the 3 big stacks don't (or should not) tangle, & even give "walks" from the SB with decent hands, as it is all about the shortie, & there is no point the big stacks clashing. There is never any spoken suggestion to target the shortie, but thats how it works. Remarkably, very few players seem to understand this. And as I am often the shortie, I am rather pleased about this, when I'm sat there with 2 Bigs & two Big Stacks go to war, I'm loving life.
I'm not going to "expose" his game style, but he is far & away the best player I've seen in these PLO8 DYM's. It does not worry, or scare me, as I have my own style, but this guy knows exactly what is what.
He's also been partly responsible for the surge in £11 PLO8 DYM's the last few days - no less than thirteen ran yesterday, a record for this Format on Sky Poker by a very long way, I'd say, it used to be the case that only 1 or 2 per day ran.
He has asked for some £22 ones to go in the Lobby, & I've sent that suggestion upstairs, though I think it unlikely they'll agree, but we'll see, you never know.
We got chatting on the table - awkward & truncated, with 3 or 4 tables popping up - but it seems we may have met in real life, as he used to play the Live games up at Stanley Newcastle back in the day, as I did, too, & it seems we have numerous acquaintances in common, including Steve Liu, the incredibly crazy Latif, (official), James Browning, & The Great Man himself, Eric Barker, now no longer with us accordng to some sources.
There is a story about Eric which is the greatest poker story ever, but that'll have to wait until another day. Eric was also in the Final at Luton (3rd) in which Thewy made his first big "breakthrough" win in around 2004, for £48,000 as I recall. Eric was - or is - one of the great characters & friends I've ever met through poker, & his game was ultra aggro, way before that became fashionable.
There used to be "Poker Festivals" regularly (think UKPC), & they had one at Gala Teeside in around 2003. Eric won all three Events, on consecutive nights, & never done "business" in any of them. I doubt anyone else has ever achieved that.
Anyway, welcome aboard Footsie.
And he's right that PLO8 is like a game of chess. The hands we play, & cards we are dealt, are less than half the battle in DYM's, it's so much about stack dynamics, & awareness of what others are doing when 4 handed. 5 & 6 handed, with the Blinds small, is of no real interest, it's all about 4 handed play. It's a sin to bust before we get 4 handed in these things, unless super-coolered, really.
Mr Footsie footnote.
I mucked a set of aces on the flop v him yesterday, as he & I both had big stacks, & there was a shortie. It hurt a bit, but is absolutely the correct play. He had "made up" in the SB, very unusually for him at big Blinds, & I was in the Big with bad Aces. It just made no sense to go to war, so I folded. I'm pretty sure he'd do the same in those circumstances.
Can't be many instances where folding a set of Aces on a dry flop is correct, but this was. (Flop was A-9-5, rainbow). Why go to war when we don't need to?
The only difference is the way it is referred not the result itself so you could argue a case for saying it either way
the one difference i see with hi lo is if holding the nut low you can use it as a great chance to bluff the river when the high part is weak.
particlarly unsure about what to do on the turn, i have the lo sewn up, is it ok to push here? obv very lucky to hit the flush on a paired board. felt like i was clicking buttons here. also why is my hand a 6 lo? shouldn't it be A2357? apols to talon who bubbled due to this ineptitude.
Personally i like the way you played it with the nut Lo and the draws in place. So no issues with your play at all.
As far as the Lo is concerned. The river card was a 2 which menas you can no longer play the 2 in your hand
So you Had A2357 but when the 2 hit you had to play the A6 which gave you A2356