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ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR

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  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Got unbeleivable lucky on the bubble but should i have shoved pre? Ps - i knew by checking i was going all in on flop 90 percent £5.50 DYM I figured I had to go all inon flop  as he hadnt raised pre so no pairs and i wudda been up against 3 big stacks  with just over 1 BB Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance wrongjohn1 Small blind   300.00 300.00 3415.00 MP33 Big blind   600.00 900.00 1260.00   Your hole cards 3 J       mitzz24 Call   600.00 1500.00 1820.00 bertie123 Fold         wrongjohn1 Fold         MP33 Check         Flop     4 6 6       MP33 All-in   1260.00 2760.00 0.00 mitzz24 Call   1260.00 4020.00 560.00 MP33 Show 3 J       mitzz24 Show Q K       Turn     5       River     2       MP33 Win Straight Flush to the 6 4020.00   4020.00
    Posted by MP33
    Hi MP33,

    As has been said, there may have been an issue here where shoving ATC the previous hand would have been better, I don't know the circumstances. Taking this hand in isolation, I like the way you've played it. You have (or definately should have) zero fold equity pre-flop, so shoving isn't really an option. When a great board like that comes down, I really, really like your play, wd sir. I don't think he calls without 2 spades (or a K or Q on board obv) which makes you pretty unlucky to get a call here. When thinks like this happen (you outdraw) I like to think that fortune is smiling on the player who played the hand best. I'm not 100% sure that's how it works though . . . :-)
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Q for John or anyone else just doubled up on 1st hand in a £5.50 DYM but went out on the bubble I was sitting comfortably down to the bubble in 2nd with the blinds at 100/200 but i almost stopped playing and never went for any blind steals. In a strange twist of hands i was soon the shortsatck, but how often  should I have been going for blind steals from the SB or button on a pretty tight table and what size raises as it was mainly in the 100/200 level I seemed to get caught up and passed? I was totally card dead but i no thats no excuse nd know i played it badly Cheers
    Posted by MP33
    Hi again MP33,

    Good question that. People say that an early double up is a guaranteed cash, but as I said in the blog it doesn't always pan out like that. Anyway, doubling up early has a (sort of) hidden advantage when it comes to stealing later. It allows you to create a super-tight image as opposed to a tight one. From your post, it seems you folded every hand after doubling up. That's certainly fine for a while, in the absence of premiums. But, you should be careful not to let your stack dwindle too much. If my stack starts to approach 3,000 or less and the blinds are 75/150 or 100/200, I don't mind going for a sb or button steal. If you think about your image in this game, it is clear that a steal will have a very high success rate in these spots. An indicator that your image is super-tight and that you are getting dragged into trouble, is when the whole table seems to be taking it in turns to steal your blinds. A steal or resteal here would be a good counter.

    In terms of sizing, it's really upto you. My raise size at the 100/200 level is to 500 but 450 or even less would possibly be better.
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Johnconner, gl with your £20 to £1000 challange, I'm sure you will nail it. I think the hardest part for you will be to get out of the rake trap of the sub £3 buyins.  I'm going to take you up on your offer for others to do there own personal challange and post progress in this thread. But I'm going to start at the £3.30. Ill start tomorrow, Sunday. I'll deposit £60 and play to 20buyins (excluding rake) and try to run it upto £1000
    Posted by TWRAMYEP
    Hi there TWRAMYEP, thanks mate. It's now a £14 to £1k challenge :-( lol. Anyway, best of luck if you are trying this challenge, as there were no updates from Sunday I hope you haven't changed your mind or suffered a bad session...

    I'm now off to play a few. Haven't played for well over a week now which is by far the longest I've gone since starting poker over 2 years ago...
  • edited February 2014

    Played just 4 games as have to go out:

    2 x £0.30 W1 L1
    2 X £0.60 W1 L1

    BR - £13.67. Can't get anything going and pretty frustrated at the moment. Can't play tonight either :-( so hope to put in my first really decent session tomorrow and get the ball rolling abit.

    Only one hand really sticks out:

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    AJ_Rockets Small blind  15.00 15.00 2075.00
    JohnConnor Big blind  30.00 45.00 1635.00
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • 7
       
    xxx Call  30.00 75.00 4255.00
    acebarry10 Fold     
    dorapete11 Fold     
    AJ_Rockets Call  15.00 90.00 2060.00
    JohnConnor Check     
    Flop
      
    • 6
    • 7
    • J
       
    AJ_Rockets Check     
    JohnConnor Bet  90.00 180.00 1545.00
    xxx Call  90.00 270.00 4165.00
    AJ_Rockets Call  90.00 360.00 1970.00
    Turn
      
    • 4
       
    AJ_Rockets Check     
    JohnConnor Bet  360.00 720.00 1185.00
    xxx Call  360.00 1080.00 3805.00
    AJ_Rockets Fold     
    River
      
    • 3
       
    JohnConnor All-in  1185.00 2265.00 0.00
    xxx Call  1185.00 3450.00 2620.00
    JohnConnor Show
    • J
    • 7
       
    xxx Show
    • 8
    • 2
       
    xxx Win Flush to the Jack 3450.00  6070.00
    Against such a weak player I'm calling any river bet and I think they call with any pair, so I shove the river. Ugh.

    Also, connection probs that forced me to quit playing full-time showed signs of returning and I was only 2-4 tabling :-(. Very frustrating and if they contionue I guess I'd be forced to abandon this challenge. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that, though:
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    STIKKIFLIB Small blind 75.00 75.00 4260.00
    billy19514 Big blind  150.00 225.00 1105.00
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • K
       
    kb245 Fold     
    JohnConnor Raise  450.00 675.00 1460.00
    STIKKIFLIB Fold     
    billy19514 Call  300.00 975.00 805.00
    Flop
      
    • K
    • K
    • 8
       
    billy19514 Bet  150.00 1125.00 655.00
    JohnConnor Fold     
    billy19514 Muck     
    billy19514 Win  975.00  1630.00
    billy19514 Return  150.00 0.00 1780.00
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Hi there TWRAMYEP, thanks mate. It's now a £14 to £1k challenge :-( lol. Anyway, best of luck if you are trying this challenge, as there were no updates from Sunday I hope you haven't changed your mind or suffered a bad session... I'm now off to play a few. Haven't played for well over a week now which is by far the longest I've gone since starting poker over 2 years ago...
    Posted by JohnConnor
    Im still at it, im upto the £5s now, still mixing in a few £3s also
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Hi Poker_Fail, good luck with your challenge sir! As WHOAMI196 says, of course what you have done counts for the challenge, please feel free to post updates here. And, yes, I would certainly include monthly bonuses, they can be quite significant in relation to you bankroll. Also, that 20/22 session is pretty incredible, more of those please. Varience, can bite back, though, as you have seen and I hope you continue with the challenge and wish you every success with reaching the £1k mark.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    Thanks a lot, and best of luck to you too.

    My current bankroll is approx £250 atm but i am currently grinding league points (27th for STTs with people catching up) so i am playing lots of the £1.15s (which are the best for league points by far imo) and the Turbo DYMs. Will be grinding properly again at the start of October.

    PS very unlucky with the connection problems, I have a similar situation with my computer crashing which has lost me a total of about £160 (although only 10 of that has been since I started this challenge) which is a large ammount for the stakes I have played. This is the reason why I hesitate to move up the stakes :(
  • edited February 2014
    nice to meet you john on dym, and my pleasure terminating the player for you, lol

    when will they learn ??
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Hi again MP33, Good question that. People say that an early double up is a guaranteed cash, but as I said in the blog it doesn't always pan out like that. Anyway, doubling up early has a (sort of) hidden advantage when it comes to stealing later. It allows you to create a super- tight image as opposed to a tight one. From your post, it seems you folded every hand after doubling up. That's certainly fine for a while, in the absence of premiums. But, you should be careful not to let your stack dwindle  too much. If my stack starts to approach 3,000 or less and the blinds are 75/150 or 100/200, I don't mind going for a sb or button steal. If you think about your image in this game, it is clear that a steal will have a very high success rate in these spots. An indicator that your image is super -tight and that you are getting dragged into trouble, is when the whole table seems to be taking it in turns to steal your blinds. A steal or resteal here would be a good counter. In terms of sizing, it's really upto you. My raise size at the 100/200 level is to 500 but 450 or even less would possibly be better.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    Cheers m8 - I,ll take that on board
  • edited February 2014

    Decent session yesterday which would have been a good one but for running pretty poorly (also connection problems accounted for 3 buy-ins). In the last game, though, I came back from 30 chips (1/10th of a big blind) to cash, which is a personal best for me.

    Played 45 £0.60s:
    W 26 L19
    BR - £13.87

    Can't wait to move up from the £0.60s (hopefully!). Will try and have a decent session again today.

  • edited February 2014
    Finally had a good day today, I thought it was never going to come lol. Had one game finish inside level 1 which I think is the first time that's happened to me in 12k games. Also had one which would have finished on the 3rd hand had the all-in gone the other way.

    Games were notably softer this evening which feels like a weird thing to say about games that are only £0.60 anyway. Made two adjustments which I think have helped at this level. I've tried to play smaller pots with AK (at least pre-flop while it's unmade). I've still been raising with it and sometimes 3 betting, just 3 betting a bit less, eg if the pot already looks to be heads up and large enough. People don't respect 3 bets, if they raise, they want to play the hand usually. Also, I've been shoving on the sb when they've made up less and have checked back instead. Again, once they've invested money they've seemed to want to play so shoving wasn't working as well as it does at higher levels.
     
    Played 66 £0.60s
    W 47 L 19
    BR - £21.67

    BR required for £1.15s is £23. As I am getting £5 C4P I may move up in the morning but I will see. I may play £0.60s again during the day and try and move up at night.
  • edited February 2014
    Yesterday's session got cut short by the pub calling :-(

    Played 13 £0.60s W 5 L 8
    Played 2 £1.15s W1 L1
    BR - £18.57

    Going to play a few now while the live show is on...
  • edited February 2014
    Hi John, how do you adjust your game if you're at a table where (nearly) everyone is following the same strategy? How would a game of 6 JohnConnors go?
  • edited February 2014
    Decent run this evening:

    Played 30 £0.60s W 22 L 8
    BR - £22.97

    Since I'm 3p off £23 and have a £5 C4P payment pending, I will be moving upto £1.15s in the morning. Hopefully I'll hit the ground running in those and never have to return to the £0.60s.
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Hi John, how do you adjust your game if you're at a table where (nearly) everyone is following the same strategy? How would a game of 6 JohnConnors go?
    Posted by Giant811
    Hi Giant. 

    It's quite difficult to answer that as it would never really happen in practice. I know what you're saying, though. The old saying of playing the opposite to the table would kick in in that situation I would think. Given how tight I like to play early I would think that more stealing earlier would be a profitable play. There is one very good DYM reg who is really tight throughout (so, similar to my style). Against this player I like to steal with any cards as they will only ever play back with such a narrow range.

    That would be the best thing to do I would think, loosen up. Note that you must do something. If you did have 6 'JohnConnor's (or any style), and no-one adjusted, the game would have zero edge. So every player would just lose the rake every game (over time).
  • edited February 2014

    Just to say JC, really enjoying the "diary"  & keep posting please.

    pad

  • edited February 2014
    Nice diary mate,   nice to see some good progress.   I think you could get to 1k before christmas ... thoughts?   (if you continue to play 30 + a day ).   good luck.
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Just to say JC, really enjoying the "diary"  & keep posting please. pad
    Posted by Glenelg
    +1 keep it up buddy
  • edited February 2014
    Thanks guys. Thanks 1267. I did mention earlier that Christmas might sound like a decent target but I'm a bit unsure now. If I get to £1k I'll be playing £33 DYMs again, so there's quite a few 'level ups' to complete before then. Also there's only 2 C4P payments left before Christmas and I can't see Novembers being very big at all. Finally I'm hoping to start work soon. All that being said I will still put in some decent volume (about 30 a day as you say sounds OK) and I would definately like to have it done by Christmas, yeah. In all honesty, I think it will depend largely on how I run between now and then. Fingers crossed then...

    PS. I am desperate to have a BR again. Loads of things I too for granted in the past like playing SPT sats, playing the main event when I could, I can't do anymore. I keep getting this weird message about insufficient funds, please deposit :-( lol.
  • edited February 2014

    Well, last night I hoped I would 'hit the ground running' in the £1.15s and the poker gods obliged with a nice little session there. I also noted down quite a few things during the session which hopefully you won't find too boring (the session stats are right at the end for anyone who wants to skip straight down):

    Firstly my very first impressions of the £1.15s as opposed to the £0.60s. The general standard seems noticeably better. The player is generally tighter earlier on and I haven't sen anywhere near the amount of all-in and calls during levels 1 and 2 as I was seeing in the £0.60s. Perhaps it being during the day has something to do with this. Also, there is still some poor play but there has been less kamikaze play at the late stages, e.g. 2 big stacks going at it when there is a micro stack about to bubble.

    Secondly I noted the advantages of moving up to the £1.15s:

    /> The rake is 15% as opposed to 20%. This means the winrate required to break even drops from 60% to 57.5%.
    /> You get 2 poker points per game instead of 1. Doubling the amount of points you earn is one of the most exciting things (actually probably the most) about moving up through the levels of DYMs. The impact on your monthly bonus is fantastic.
    /> You get 7 league points per win instead of 3. This is obviously a huge difference and is great if you, like me, dream of a place on TSP. If anyone is interested, my league target for this quarter (ending December) is to finish in the top 4. I'm currently in the 100s I think due to earning only 3 points per win in the £0.60s. I will have some catching up to do...

    Thirdly I noticed an improvement in my own game which I have been seeing over the last few days. I have been value betting more thinly, especially in position. Ok, so it's fairly easy at these low levels as a lot of players play so passively and will call with weaker hands on the river. Nevertheless I've seen a definite improvement and it's something I will hopefully carry on in my game in the future. (Who would have thought that dropping down to £0.60 DYMs could actually improve your poker playing abilities? ;-))

    Fourthly I noted down a hand id. Previously I noted that I had made a small adjustment in the way I play AK in these low stakes games, so as to avoid huge pots pre-flop with an unmade hand. Here is the hand:

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    9991 Small blind  10.00 10.00 1970.00
    potking71 Big blind  20.00 30.00 3645.00
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
       
    tony14757 Fold     
    danger_sco Call  20.00 50.00 1910.00
    enyaplien1 Raise  60.00 110.00 1540.00
    JohnConnor Fold     
    9991 Fold     
    potking71 Call  40.00 150.00 3605.00
    danger_sco Call  40.00 190.00 1870.00
    Flop
      
    • 7
    • 4
    • 10
       
    potking71 Check     
    danger_sco Check     
    enyaplien1 Bet  160.00 350.00 1380.00
    potking71 Call  160.00 510.00 3445.00
    danger_sco Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 8
       
    potking71 Check     
    enyaplien1 Bet  320.00 830.00 1060.00
    potking71 Raise  640.00 1470.00 2805.00
    enyaplien1 Call  320.00 1790.00 740.00
    River
      
    • 5
       
    potking71 Bet  895.00 2685.00 1910.00
    enyaplien1 All-in  740.00 3425.00 0.00
    potking71 Unmatched bet  155.00 3270.00 2065.00
    potking71 Show
    • 3
    • 5
       
    enyaplien1 Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    potking71 Win Flush to the 10 3270.00  5335.00
    It was a pretty horrible spot for me in the first level. In a higher stake DYM I would 3 bet the AK to about 240 without a moments thought as AK is too good not to extract value from (and fold to a 4 bet). But in a £1.15 game where I am unfamiliar with all my opponents and am still unsure about the general standard of play, I don't want a huge pot with an unmade hand. I have 2 players left to act behind me plus one player who has already limped. Calling was an option, and if the raise had been bigger, say 120, I would have called expecting to see a flop heads up. But with a small raise and 3 active opponents behind, I didn't fancy a call. Hitting TPTK could have been a nightmare in a 4 way coup. 3 betting was also, of course, a very viable option and if I had been last to act, I would have made a standard 3 bet, again expecting to see a flop heads up. All in all, though, with so many opponents left to act, including the original limper and original raiser, any of whom could have been complete maniacs for all I knew, I elected to take the safe option and fold. At least I would learn quite a bit about my opponents.

    Anyway, played well, ran well:
    Played 17 £1.15s W 13 L 4
    BR - £29.42 (while I was writing this my £5 C4P was paid so:) BR now - £34.42

    Target required to move up to £2.25s - £45. Playing DTD tonight (deposited own money as said) but should still sneak a few DYMs in at some point...
  • edited February 2014

    Great blog!!
    Could I ask about note-taking.  Do you bother with notes?  Also, when you have been playing a lot at the same level are there players you avoid? 

  • edited February 2014
    Hi JC

    What do you think of the fold with AK here in a £3.30 dym game.

    I hope its a fairly standard fold on the bubble due to the short stack. The guy who jammed on me was not overly agressive, but even if he was would you still fold? I went on to cash.

    ET1 had about 1k chips (just over 3 big blinds)

    Its only ace high innit
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    010001 Small blind  150.00 150.00 4045.00
    GREGHOGG Big blind  300.00 450.00 3155.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
         
    ET1 Fold     
    KC63 Fold     
    010001 All-in  4045.00 4495.00 0.00
    GREGHOGG Fold     
    010001 Muck     
    010001 Win  600.00  600.00
    010001 Return  3895.00 0.00 4495.00
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Hi JC What do you think of the fold with AK here in a £3.30 dym game. I hope its a fairly standard fold on the bubble due to the short stack. The guy who jammed on me was not overly agressive, but even if he was would you still fold? I went on to cash. ET1 had about 1k chips (just over 3 big blinds) Its only ace high innit Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance 010001 Small blind   150.00 150.00 4045.00 GREGHOGG Big blind   300.00 450.00 3155.00   Your hole cards K A       ET1 Fold         KC63 Fold         010001 All-in   4045.00 4495.00 0.00 GREGHOGG Fold         010001 Muck         010001 Win   600.00   600.00 010001 Return   3895.00 0.00 4495.00
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    cant see hands??
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    I have just Posted a Blog by John Connor, the thread title says it all. This chap does very welll indeed at DYM's (those who know how to check these things will know that) & he's shared his thoughts with us, which is very kind of him. It's quite a long piece, but it's as good as I've seen, & if you cannot improve at least ONE aspect of your DYM play from reading it, well you are not reading it properly. Johgn is happy to take questions, feedback, & constructive criticism, but most of all, he's a winning DYM player, & wants to share his knowledge with the rest of us. So, Post any questions you have for him on this thread, please. I've asked that the "Comment" section of the Blog be restricted to "thanks John" type comments, NOT questions about it. By keeping all the questions & answers in one place - on this Thread - we will all yield greater benefit. On behalf of Sky Poker, & our players, or at least, those who want to improve their game, our sincere thanks, it's a monumental effort. The Blog is HERE
    Posted by Tikay10
    Cool.
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Decent run this evening: Played 30 £0.60s W 22 L 8 BR - £22.97 Since I'm 3p off £23 and have a £5 C4P payment pending, I will be moving upto £1.15s in the morning. Hopefully I'll hit the ground running in those and never have to return to the £0.60s.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    Cool.
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Hi JC What do you think of the fold with AK here in a £3.30 dym game. I hope its a fairly standard fold on the bubble due to the short stack. The guy who jammed on me was not overly agressive, but even if he was would you still fold? I went on to cash. ET1 had about 1k chips (just over 3 big blinds) Its only ace high innit Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance 010001 Small blind   150.00 150.00 4045.00 GREGHOGG Big blind   300.00 450.00 3155.00   Your hole cards K A       ET1 Fold         KC63 Fold         010001 All-in   4045.00 4495.00 0.00 GREGHOGG Fold         010001 Muck         010001 Win   600.00   600.00 010001 Return   3895.00 0.00 4495.00
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    Hi Greg, yeah I do think that's a standard fold on the bubble mate and even if he is overly aggressive, yes I still fold there :-)
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Great blog!! Could I ask about note-taking.  Do you bother with notes?  Also, when you have been playing a lot at the same level are there players you avoid? 
    Posted by Glenelg
    Hi Pad, thanks.

    Yeah, I think note-taking is extremely important and I make quite a few. There is a section in the blog titled 'Note Taking' (quite far down, straight after 'Late Stages'). Unfortunately, the formatting didn't transfer perfectly here as there are meant to be bullet points which don't show up. But everything down to the next bold section, 'General points on raise/bet sizing' are my thoughts on note taking. I hope that helps but if you have any more specific questions that aren't covered in that section please get back to me here and I will try my best to help.
  • edited February 2014
    Sneaked 18 games in tonight. Ran pretty poorly and didn't play 100% tbh so the result isn't the worst thing in the world:

    Played 18 £1.15s W 9 L 9
    BR - £31.72
    Poker points - 150
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Great blog!! Could I ask about note-taking.  Do you bother with notes?  Also, when you have been playing a lot at the same level are there players you avoid? 
    Posted by Glenelg
    Hi again Pad, sorry I forgot to answer this part last night.

    When you play the slightly higher levels, particularly during the day time, there is only a small player base so will you will be consistantly playing the same players. It's not that unusual during the day, if you look in the higher levels, to see 2 or more games running with exactly the same 6 players in each. So table selection is pretty difficult at times anyway. At a very quick guess, I would probably say there are between 5 and 10 very very good players out there. If 4 of them were sat at the same table, I would probably avoid it if I could (e.g. I wasn't desperate for points/action etc). Otherwise, I think it's fine to just play. A couple of weak players in 6 max should be enough to keep the good regs going I would have thought.
  • edited February 2014
    Played the 5.50 turbos recently ran good up to £270 then ran bad back down to £245 might grind the regular 5.50s to work out some stats, win rate etc

    I finished either 27th or 28th for STTs last quarter but have had no confirmation of the TSP tourney yet.
    Should I have had an email by now?
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Played the 5.50 turbos recently ran good up to £270 then ran bad back down to £245 might grind the regular 5.50s to work out some stats, win rate etc I finished either 27th or 28th for STTs last quarter but have had no confirmation of the TSP tourney yet. Should I have had an email by now?
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    Hi there, nice run. No you shouldn't have had an email yet, I haven't anyway. We may not even get one tbh, I can't remember. Just keep an eye out in the lobby as it should be this Sunday evening.
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