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NL4 cash tables with max 50bb buy-in?
Another site I play on have introduced at their micro level, a max 50 bb buy-in on ALL their 1c/2c tables.
so in effect the maximum buy-in went from $2 per table down to $1 per table overnight.
I didn't like this introduction to begin with but now think it's great, & it is also a level playing field to any player wishing to invest only 50 bb's as opposed to the 100 bb's that many/most players arguably choose to play with.
so, my question, could this be introduced here at Sky poker at the nl4 level?
maybe as a trial period at first on some tables anyway, & see how it goes.
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Anyone playing cash should look to sit with the maximum anyway where possible.
Sky would be better off introducing 1p/2p tables than implementing this IMO. Players already have the option to sit down with as little as 20bb if they so wish.
It already is a level playing field; every player gets 2 cards and the button every orbit, regardless of if they sit with 20bb, 50bb or 100bb.
If anything, only being able to sit down with a maximum 50bb would encourage gambling (less playing down the streets and more feeling obliged to go with your hand if only playing 50bb) and thus new/smaller bankrolled players might do their funds much quicker than a standard table.
It's the rake at the lowest level that wants looking at.
I don't imagine Sky would be to keen they didn't even consider introducing master cash 4nl tables when it was suggested 1 year ago.
People can still buy in for 50bb or less, which many do, so don't know if there would be much demand for a 50bb maximum table/s.
Although, I don't see why there isn't a "capped" cash table at the 2p/4p level.
What are the benefits for the players? Bearing in mind people can already sit down with as little as 80p at a 4nl table?
I stated why I thought it could mean some players lose their funds much quicker.
I'm seeing this from my point of view but you're not?
I'd hazard a guess there would be much more flipping for stacks at just 50bb deep than 100bb deep or more.
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If people want to sit down with 50bb or less, they already can.
And what you going on about ''falling out'' for? It's a forum, a place to debate. I don't agree with your OP, just like I didn't agree with the KK thing, but there is no need to be precious about things.
Jordz concept is interesting, though I'll be six feet under before the Sky software could handle it
Rake levels: 5p/10p and below
£4 total pot = 30p, at a 50bb table would be extremely difficult (impossible??) to make a profit.
It may well be different on ps, or other sites, where the rake wasn't as massive at the micro levels.
please dont give sky any more ideas / incentive to scr3w micro-stakes players over: they are pretty good at doing that all by themselves.
if you want to improve the playing experience of micro-stakes players [and thereby improve liquidity across all levels] then lobby HARD for them to lower the rake. micro / recreationals have NO idea how the rake affects their winrate and how much sky's extortionate rake makes beating the game near impossible.
see gary laud's diary for evidence of that.
have they ever engaged with the players on this issue?
it has been raised on here so many times...
As numerous people have said, including myself, it's the rake that is the big issue at the micro stakes. Adding these tables is pointless whilst the rake is still sky high (no pun intended).
To a person new to the game, they will generally be oblivious to the rake element of it initially.
gary is a winning reg who played ZERO cash in his challenge
he got out of the micros by game selecting HUSNG's where the rake is lower than on DYM's and cash.
that's right a huge winner in £10 games GAME SELECTED v recs at that level.
DYM's, cash, .55p hypers, hyper HUSNG's in general are all unbeatable except for the few crushers on the site.
in gary laud's first diary he was a pre-rake winner in hsi games by some margin yet was a HORRENDOUS loser after the rake was taken. if the micro rake was similar to the level above he would have broke even.
micro players cant even heater in their games as even a sick run will result in a meagre ROI post rake
you must be able to see why this is a bad thing for new players who want to give poker a try by putting a few uid from their betting / bingo accounts and giving games a go?
the rake for hypers is by some distance below, and it gets worse the higher you play:
you can find some info here:
http://www.husng.com/content/heads-up-sit-and-go-husng-structures-and-buyin-information-most-poker-rooms
assuming an average pot of 90p [seem reasonable looking at the lobby]
and say 80 hands an hour [dunno how many is average on 6max, seems ok guess]
that means that sky will in four and a half hours rake 6 buyins off the table. one buyin for each player gone in rake, in 4.5 hours.
i'm not a cash player but that seems like a difficult enviroment to play in as a recreational.
in hypers, if you are planning playing on stars, they have groups at each stake over $60's where the regs will instasit anyone who isnt in the group, and without paying for a registration software you will have ZERO chance of opensitting first at $15+ [it will outclick you as soon as a lobby is available]. and all the regs have this software. if you do want to have a crack at $15's get sharkystrator and you will be able to opensit a lobby.
you can opensit $7s on stars and get plenty of fish, $15+ it becomes progressively more difficult without registration software and, ultimately, admittance to the group at that buyin.