Abusing the 'fish'

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

Ha  Lol, I just clicked the link that Sky had posted (should have done that the first time......) , thx for letting me know, so can I still call people DUCKS? :-)
Posted by HENDRIK62

Ducks, aircraft, concete sundries, bridges, pylons, railway lines, Motorway junctions, yes yes, are all acceptable.

FCHD

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

As a sort of side-issue to this, "abuse" is not always easy to define. Personally, I think calling another, supposedly inferior, poker player a "fish" is abusive, & it's a term I loathe. I'm not sure, however, what the correct term should be. In the real world, at the back of the school classroom is the lad who has struggled in life, & is not very bright. Would we call him "an idiot" to his face, or in front of him where he can hear us? If you peruse 2+2, the nosebleed guys use the term "fish" without a second thought. Doubt it ever occurs to them that their social skills are equally inadequate.     
Posted by Tikay10

You can't call someone a fish but you can call them a crustacean?

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : You can't call someone a fish but you can call them a crustacean?
Posted by FCHD

Yes, of course. Barnacle is a term of endearment, although not in the way that Charles Darwin famously wrote, after spending 9 years studying them.

"I hate a Barnacle as no man ever did before."



 

CHILLIE

If i go to a casino and abuse other players with vile names would i be asked to leave and not return due to my attutude,i think yes, abuse players on sky  and u get a chat ban or life chat ban how about bringing in new rules whereas if u abuse players and i do mean abuse not silly little squabbles then your account will be closed down.I think this will cut out a lot of the abuse knowing they will be removed from the site or does sky put money before others pleasure of playing poker without abuse and ridacule.

Macacgirl1

I didn't play NLH for a long while. decided to take a break from PLO8 and duly registered for a NLH DYM. About two levels in, one of the alleged/supposed culprits came into the chat box and was asking the other about me. Fish out of bowl? Poor shark stats? All that nonsense.
Hardly a game would go by when some such comment about another players ROI or scope ability score, wouldn't be mentioned, absolutely ridiculous, bullying and harassment in some instances. 
An obsession with scope when they are low stake players themselves, is pathetic imo. Pathetic with a capital P and wrapped in tinsel.
Apologies for being a negative ninny, but chat box nonsense regarding scope is my pet hat.  Everyone should be able to sit down in peace and play poker, enjoy it, even if losing, without fear of the ridicule.

Jac35

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : On the face of it, yes. But talking about it in the chat box does not necessarily mean they are doing it, people like to say things for effect sometimes. One chap I play with regularly claims to be a huge winner, but I'm pretty sure he is fos.   I never saw mention of "collusion" incidentally, unless you refer to the chat about multi-accounting.   I may be the only one who does not know who these two "regulars" are as it happens, so maybe I'm out of touch. But I don't want to know either, to be honest, it's none of my business. I DO think such suspicions should always be reported though. Gossiping on the Forum won't solve a thing.    
Posted by Tikay10

I didn't consider if to be gossiping. I take your point though.

Fair to say reporting them doesn't appear to have solved anything up to this point either

MrWh1te

Lots of replies to read through.

@Tikay, maybe it is not swept under the carpet but I certainly think it is sky not taking it as seriously as the players themselves. It seems the two concerned have been reported several times before.

I also think it wasn't so much colluding they were accused of, but one of them very publically admitted to having two accounts so that he could gain two sets of bonus'

I guess it is in sky's hands now, I see these guys at the £2.25 tables, we will soon see if it continues tonight

Thanks to all who replied

mattprawn

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : You can't call someone a fish but you can call them a crustacean?
Posted by FCHD

Calling someone a crustacean is surely a very fine compliment?

Mattprawn.

gaz211

anyone tell me the password for q5 freeroll at 20.00 plz

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : Calling someone a crustacean is surely a very fine compliment? Mattprawn.
Posted by mattprawn

BOOM!

For the record, Mr FCHD's comment was because I gave him the nick (which I think he is quite proud of) "barnacle", as he plays DYM's, & we can never seem to get rid of him, he just hangs on & on.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

Lots of replies to read through. @Tikay, maybe it is not swept under the carpet but I certainly think it is sky not taking it as seriously as the players themselves. It seems the two concerned have been reported several times before. I also think it wasn't so much colluding they were accused of, but one of them very publically admitted to having two accounts so that he could gain two sets of bonus' I guess it is in sky's hands now, I see these guys at the £2.25 tables, we will soon see if it continues tonight Thanks to all who replied
Posted by MrWh1te

Morning.

Many respected players seem to have identified the same problem, in fact I may be the only one who does not know who the accused are.

I honesty don't know the answer. If they are really multi-accounting for the purpose of gaining double "bonus", I'd be very surprised if they openly admitted it in the chat box. Perhaps they were just trolling? Some trolls, surprisingly, are quite clever, & know just how far they can push it. "Inappropriate chat" can be awkward too, as some players know just how far they can push it. When someone gets chat-banned, there is very often a bit of a hoohah from players suggesting the Site is being too strict. Abusing other players in the Chat Box will not be tolerated, thats for sure. I supose where to draw the line is a bit of a headache at times.

The Business DO investigate all reports of dodgy chat & multi-accounting. If they don't find the evidence to ban them, that's not the same - not at all - as "sweeping it under the carpet". When someone is found "Not Guilty" in a Court of Law, does that amount to the State sweeping it under the carpet?

Anyway, given that many of those itt are usually genuine, sensible, posters, I'll send the thread back upstairs, & maybe they will take another look.
 
Hopefully, it will all get sorted.    

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : I didn't consider if to be gossiping. I take your point though. Fair to say reporting them doesn't appear to have solved anything up to this point either
Posted by Jac35

Morning Paul.

Well personally, I have not seen the comments, or the facts, so I'm not in a position to judge.
For the record, in my reply to MrWh1te, when I wrote.....

 "given that many of those itt are usually genuine, sensible, posters",

....I was including, on this occasion, Paul "Not the Poker Player" Jackson. Can't be fairer than that, right? 

Tikay10

Just returning to the theme of Sharkscope stas being used to belittle or abuse others.

This is a Sharkscope T & C.......


"Note that the use of SharkScope statistics to abuse players on any site is prohibited and doing so could result in the closure of your SharkScope account and censure by the poker site themselves."

somer

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : Morning. Many respected players seem to have identified the same problem, in fact I may be the only one who does not know who the accused are. I honesty don't know the answer. If they are really multi-accounting for the purpose of gaining double "bonus", I'd be very surprised if they openly admitted it in the chat box. Perhaps they were just trolling? Some trolls, surprisingly, are quite clever, & know just how far they can push it. "Inappropriate chat" can be awkward too, as some players know just how far they can push it. When someone gets chat-banned, there is very often a bit of a hoohah from players suggesting the Site is being too strict. Abusing other players in the Chat Box will not be tolerated, thats for sure. I supose where to draw the line is a bit of a headache at times. The Business DO investigate all reports of dodgy chat & multi-accounting. If they don't find the evidence to ban them, that's not the same - not at all - as "sweeping it under the carpet". When someone is found "Not Guilty" in a Court of Law, does that amount to the State sweeping it under the carpet? Anyway, given that many of those itt are usually genuine, sensible, posters, I'll send the thread back upstairs, & maybe they will take another look.   Hopefully, it will all get sorted.     
Posted by Tikay10

The Court of Law “has been seen” to have acted. 

In Customer Cares case it would appear they are less transparent. 

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : The Court of Law “has been seen” to have acted.  In Customer Cares case it would appear they are less transparent. 
Posted by somer

Correct, as I explained earlier, for legal, regulatory & commercial reasons, Sky Poker have never, or will never, identify what action they have taken or against whom.

Just because we cannot see what has been done, does not always mean nothing has been done.

Tikay10

Incidentally, I have tried to move this whole thing forward this morning, having sent the thread upstairs again, & subsequently had a reply, & some dialogue with the Office, & sent a few PM's.

Fingers crossed, everything gets properly sorted.

 

GaryLaud

I can think of a few situations it has occured with myself, both on the tables and additionally on my own diary thread, and also same players trying to bring sky into disrepute.

I reported my enemies via chat - and also I have now stopped adding to my own thread as well.

Ikelly

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

I can think of a few situations it has occured with myself, both on the tables and additionally on my own diary thread, and also same players trying to bring sky into disrepute. I reported my enemies via chat - and also I have now stopped adding to my own thread as well.
Posted by GaryLaud

It's a shame you no longer post on your diary Gary as I play low stakes DYM's and was a regular reader, maybe you should think of restarting it?

I know it was hijacked by a couple of trolls but I don't think that should stop you continuing. Gl.

hagisboy

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

Just returning to the theme of Sharkscope stas being used to belittle or abuse others. This is a Sharkscope T & C....... "Note that the use of SharkScope statistics to abuse players on any site is prohibited and doing so could result in the closure of your SharkScope account and censure by the poker site themselves."
Posted by Tikay10

Bit pointless that T&C Tikay.

You can look at sharkscope without being a member, not that they could in practice know all your usernames on sites and monitor your chat anyway

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : It's a shame you no longer post on your diary Gary as I play low stakes DYM's and was a regular reader, maybe you should think of restarting it? I know it was hijacked by a couple of trolls but I don't think that should stop you continuing. Gl.
Posted by Ikelly

I had not seen that previously, but I just took a look.

There is a fine line between banter & abuse/trolling, & it's often difficult to separate them. It did look a bit ott, but perhaps it was not intended to come across the way it did.

I hope Gary feels able to re-start it, & the Mods will keep an eye on it.   

HENDRIK62

Unfortunately in all walks of life you find these type of people, I often see it when I am golfing, certain people refer to others as rabbits, joes, chocolates, hackers......I wonder how they would feel if Rory McIlroy was to refer to them in the same way they do to lesser players, he is definitely streets ahead so it would be fully justified.

Maybe they should be forced to share a table with Tony G, he would eat them up...(is that who they really look up to, because that is how it comes across).

vinny67

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : I had not seen that previously, but I just took a look. There is a fine line between banter & abuse/trolling, & it's often difficult to separate them. It did look a bit ott, but perhaps it was not intended to come across the way it did. I hope Gary feels able to re-start it, & the Mods will keep an eye on it.   
Posted by Tikay10

Finally some common sense! trolling? abuse? has the public lost its sense of humour these days? are people not allowed to have banter at the tables, amusement and laughter? or should we all just sit like good little girls and boys . As for this talk about "multi accounting" "colluding" or what have you, i do hope people have there facts straight before reposting these words of accusations coz u opening up a whole new can of worms which when proved to be misleading lies with come back to smack you straight across your face.

the fact that some banter in a game was picked up on by an individual and then that individual (who i might add also likes a bit of banter) decides to start a whole thread of witchhunting and misconstrued lies.

i think the line was "im a member of society" to which there was a retort of "so was jimmy saville mate, doesnt mean youre right"  this guy may take that as him being called a "pedo" i would disagree... in fact i found it amusing (so ban me for laughing?) 

with regards to gary lauds post....on his last post, a regular said he bet gary laud had a punchable face..was there a witch hunt? nope.... the comments regarding gary lauds thread are all born out of the fact that gary was offered advice after advice from person after person....he chose to ignore all that advice and then wonders why people write that the 20% rake is what is beating him....a thread is for people to respond to and offer advice, if an individual does not like that advice and asks people not to write certain advice (which is actually the truth) then the thread should not be continued.

i would like to finish by saying i have been abused and have had people use every swear word that has ever been said, in the chat box, i laugh it off, as i am an adult. BANTER is a common weapon used in every form of poker to get under peoples skin, whether its right or wrong is another thread, but u will see many a pro sat around a live table getting under peoples skin, online it is easy to "close the chatbox"

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish' : Finally some common sense! trolling? abuse? has the public lost its sense of humour these days? are people not allowed to have banter at the tables, amusement and laughter? or should we all just sit like good little girls and boys . As for this talk about "multi accounting" "colluding" or what have you, i do hope people have there facts straight before reposting these words of accusations coz u opening up a whole new can of worms which when proved to be misleading lies with come back to smack you straight across your face. the fact that some banter in a game was picked up on by an individual and then that individual (who i might add also likes a bit of banter) decides to start a whole thread of witchhunting and misconstrued lies. i think the line was "im a member of society" to which there was a retort of "so was jimmy saville mate, doesnt mean youre right"  this guy may take that as him being called a "pedo" i would disagree... in fact i found it amusing (so ban me for laughing?)  with regards to gary lauds post....on his last post, a regular said he bet gary laud had a punchable face..was there a witch hunt? nope.... the comments regarding gary lauds thread are all born out of the fact that gary was offered advice after advice from person after person....he chose to ignore all that advice and then wonders why people write that the 20% rake is what is beating him....a thread is for people to respond to and offer advice, if an individual does not like that advice and asks people not to write certain advice (which is actually the truth) then the thread should not be continued. i would like to finish by saying i have been abused and have had people use every swear word that has ever been said, in the chat box, i laugh it off, as i am an adult. BANTER is a common weapon used in every form of poker to get under peoples skin, whether its right or wrong is another thread, but u will see many a pro sat around a live table getting under peoples skin, online it is easy to "close the chatbox"
Posted by vinny67

Which included, as to the Gary Laud thread, my view that the banter was a bit ott. And I think it was.

 

 

thefa1lacy

Oh Tikay, it seems you have fallen for Mr Wh1tes latest accusations. You see he has a long and detailed history of trying set up players and then report them for abuse. The evidence is all over the forum. He has even had thread's deleted because of it.

It seems you have not looked at the other side of the story, if you had, you'd know he is a known abuser getting into constant spats with other players, it seems on purpose so he can report them. His favourite retort is the cassic LMAO when a player loses a big pot, hoping to put them off the rest of their game and bring on some replies, so he can report them. He has endless form in doing this, and will continue to until you stop him.

Next you bring Gary Laud's blog into the equation. Many players were making light of his name in a witty manner. Like you have been today with your thread, 'nicknames of sky poker players?' I myself wrote, 'Hold on, 3 games, 3 wins, that must mean your Laud of the (6-max) Rings!!' If that's abuse after saying someone is lord of the six max after winning 3 on the trot, then we'll be here forever. Now let's look at who replied to that, ah yes Mr Wh1te. He said, 'Does the question need to be asked, is it now starting to border on bullying.' Seems this where his latest plan was hatched.

Next up you change the whole debate because of this line here.. 'A friend told me that he had reported them for openly talking about multi accounting in the chatbox.'  'Upstairs' will have looked into this and found it to be a 100% bare faced lie. Is it fair that Sky's spokesperson can publicy talk about players supposedly multi accounting, but then not say, 'Just to update that player shouldn't have said that because it wasn't true.' There's no point re-posting Sky's rules on what they will not comment on. What should have happened was Mr Wh1tes thread should have been taken down straight away, just like his other ones were. You've allowed a public witchhunt to take place. I just hope his next victims get fairer treatment.

Riptide

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

players trying to bring sky into disrepute.

Kin Ell Gary, you know who owns Sky don't you?  Would be a great effort if a couple of poker plays could bring the company into more disrepute than them.

Macacgirl1

How can there be a witchhunt when nobody has been mentioned by name?
Just a thought.

Riptide

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

I reported my enemies

Enemies - LOL.  I can imagine you sat at home at your mums house planning your vengance on these 'enemies'. 

The only person who stopped adding to your blog was you Gary.  I think you should have set some ground rules out when you started it such as;

*Only say nice things about me and my playing

*Compliment me unnecessarily

*Don't advise me about technical aspects such as the rake %

But as you chose to compose it on a public forum where others can contribute then this has gone completely out of the window.  There are loads of sites where you can create your own personal blog, which only you can add to but others can read.  This may have been more appropriate as you apppear not to be able to take critisism or advice very well.

P.S Please take me off the enemies list, the last thing I need is an act of vengance being plotted against me right now.

Tikay10

Crikey, there seems to be a lot of aggression in the air today.
 
Anyway, as promised, I raised the whole matter with upstairs again today.

They ARE looking at it right now. This is not restricted to Community activity, it includes Chat Logs from the poker tables.
 
It may take a while to sift through it all, but at least you can be assured the Office are treating it as they should.

vinny67

Been looking back through mr whites posts, it seems he has a long history of reporting players for "abuse" or "banter" as i like to call it..  maybe the problem he faces lies in the admission he made in an older post where he calls himself a "terrible winner and a terrible loser"  if i may quote from that post :

Re: Challenge the nonsense.

posted at 20/8/2014 4:57 PM BST on SkyPoker.com

I am like it in all games though, I am banned from monopoly (everyone refused to trade with me but traded with each other 'because if we trade you win', so of course the board went flying.

And things like trivial pursuit, they make my answers have to be exactly the same as on the card, but theres have a bit of artistic licence.  Board went flying then too.

It is hard being at the top (that is not to say I am clever, I am not particulary, my family just happen to be especially dumb!)

SO MR WHITE, IF YOU ANTAGONIZE PEOPLE ON PURPOSE AND GET YOUR KNICKERS IN A TWIST AND FALL OVER RED FACED WITH EMBARRASSMENT, THEN WOULD YOU NOT EXPECT TO "HAVE A BIT OF BANTER" THROWN AT YOU? YOU EVEN ADMIT YOUR WIFE AND FAMILY HAVE TO REIGN YOU IN....AND YOUR RESPONCE TO LOSING??  "NEEDLESS TO SAY THE BOARD WENT FLYING"  AND YOUR ACCUSATIONS OF MULTI ACCOUNTING THAT YOU "APPARANTLY" HEARD "FROM A FRIEND" IS JUST YOU "MAKING THE BOARD GO FLYING" AND IF SKY HAD ANY INKLING WHATSOEVER ABOUT MULTI ACCOUNTING THE SAID INDIVIDUALS WOULD ALREADY BE BANNED. YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOTHING SHORT OF SLANDEROUS. AND ANYBODY REPEATING YOUR PATHALOGICAL LIES ARE JUST AS GUILTY

Riptide

In Response to Re: Abusing the 'fish':

Crikey, there seems to be a lot of aggression in the air today.   
Posted by Tikay10

I hope you don't include my posts, there is no aggression in those.  If you think there is you are reading them in the wrong tone of voice. 

Thanks