Compatability OF PT3 & HEM with Skys Downloadable Client

ajs4385

I dont think there will be loads of regs joining, and that is not my concern. As stated I think if Sky went down the route of enabling this software and getting into a rakeback war it would see me profit in the short term.

The problem is my and other regs edge over the casual gambler will be too great. The reason casinos are succesfull is the games have a marginal edge literally 1% in some games. This means the casual gambler regurly has winning sessions and comes back time and time again and in the long term still loses but enjoys it because of the winning sessions. If the edge of regs become too great i.e. with PT or HEM, the gamblers will be put off poker as they will hardly ever win and therefore not enjoy it. Also when they realise people are tracking there losses and have stats will be put off playing online poker. Most gamblers dont realise this exist, but when they do they will stop playing. This is from personal experience, I know a few people who enjoy a gamble online sometimes play poker, sports betting etc. They are quite happy to spend  money as it is their entertainment. I talked to them about online poker and mentioned this software, some where literally angry when they found out and boycott spending money on poker now. I was lmao at time to their reaction. As stated before without people willing to spend money on poker there is no industry.

So for the long term good, I hope Sky and other sites do not allow tracking software, and dont get into rakeback wars and instead invest the rake in attracting casual players to the site.

teachai

Whats all this nonsense about whether sky allow tracking software or not.  Its quite simply if any poker site allows you to download hand history to your pc, then in theory, tracking software can exist.  What you run on your pc is completely independent of sky. At the moment you cannot use tracking software with sky, because there is no facility to download hand histories to your pc.


The current hand history format is in my opinion abysmal. It is extremely difficult to review hands.  What is necessary is the hands to be viewable in a standard hand history converter tool.


 

NICON

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Whats all this nonsense about whether sky allow tracking software or not.  Its quite simply if any poker site allows you to download hand history to your pc, then in theory, tracking software can exist.  What you run on your pc is completely independent of sky. At the moment you cannot use tracking software with sky, because there is no facility to download hand histories to your pc. The current hand history format is in my opinion abysmal. It is extremely difficult to review hands.  What is necessary is the hands to be viewable in a standard hand history converter tool.  
Posted by teachai

That's kind of the point you've missed. They are about to launch a downloadable client and the thread is about the HH to see if they will make it exportable to PT3 or not

cottlad

HEM compatible hands would kill Sky Poker imho.  Everyone at mo is on level playing field and there are so many recreational players at sky who would just get eaten alive if there were stats available on them.  Also TV players would have a huge disadvantage.
If you want accurate aids and reads do the work and write comprehensive notes on people.  Much more reliable than stats anyway.

If you wanna use stats software go play at FTP/Stars and join the masses/grinders/pro's

ACESOVER8s

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HEM compatible hands would kill Sky Poker imho.  Everyone at mo is on level playing field and there are so many recreational players at sky who would just get eaten alive if there were stats available on them.  Also TV players would have a huge disadvantage. If you want accurate aids and reads do the work and write comprehensive notes on people.  Much more reliable than stats anyway. If you wanna use stats software go play at FTP/Stars and join the masses/grinders/pro's
Posted by cottlad

Ok i get that you don't want them here which is fine, to say that note taking is more reliable than accurate and real time stats????????? not a comment that lends itself to your argument to be honest. If you wanna see how fast cars are going you look at the speedo not watch them for 2 hrs and have an educated guess.

PLO wasn't here 3 months ago, should it not have been asked for because some people didn't want to play it???? should all players wanting PLO have been told to join other sites because you didn't want it?? A question has been asked and Sky will take a decision on it based on where they want the site to go. If they want to keep in line with bigger sites they will introduce exportable history, if not they may use it as a USP to try and get more recreational players. I'm fine either way and i don't feel the need to tell you to go play elsewhere because you don't view things my way.

I can accept some people don't want them here but the "Level Playing Field" comment gets banded about a lot where it's not warranted. It's a decision to buy one of these programs that is personal to each player just as it's a decision to bother making notes or try and improve your game. It is a level playing field because each and every player has the choice - Choices make it level, not fear of technology

cottlad

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In Response to Re: Compatability OF PT3 & HEM with Skys Downloadable Client : Ok i get that you don't want them here which is fine, to say that note taking is more reliable than accurate and real time stats????????? not a comment that lends itself to your argument to be honest. If you wanna see how fast cars are going you look at the speedo not watch them for 2 hrs and have an educated guess. PLO wasn't here 3 months ago, should it not have been asked for because some people didn't want to play it???? should all players wanting PLO have been told to join other sites because you didn't want it?? A question has been asked and Sky will take a decision on it based on where they want the site to go. If they want to keep in line with bigger sites they will introduce exportable history, if not they may use it as a USP to try and get more recreational players. I'm fine either way and i don't feel the need to tell you to go play elsewhere because you don't view things my way. I can accept some people don't want them here but the "Level Playing Field" comment gets banded about a lot where it's not warranted. It's a decision to buy one of these programs that is personal to each player just as it's a decision to bother making notes or try and improve your game. It is a level playing field because each and every player has the choice - Choices make it level, not fear of technology
Posted by ACESOVER8s

If you think solid notes are less reliable/profitable than stats then i wish you luck with yr game.... i disagree strongly...

Also.,. a question..... Why do you want stats software at sky so badly?  Can't you just play at another site if yr so desperate for stats?  Or is there a reason why you prefer to play here instead?

Also...i'm not 'afraid of technology' lol.  I use stats software and HUD at the other sites i play and have written numerous articles on the use and advantages of stats that have ben published in Inside Poker magaine

OMahonyO

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In Response to Re: Compatability OF PT3 & HEM with Skys Downloadable Client : Ok i get that you don't want them here which is fine, to say that note taking is more reliable than accurate and real time stats????????? not a comment that lends itself to your argument to be honest. If you wanna see how fast cars are going you look at the speedo not watch them for 2 hrs and have an educated guess. PLO wasn't here 3 months ago, should it not have been asked for because some people didn't want to play it???? should all players wanting PLO have been told to join other sites because you didn't want it?? A question has been asked and Sky will take a decision on it based on where they want the site to go. If they want to keep in line with bigger sites they will introduce exportable history, if not they may use it as a USP to try and get more recreational players. I'm fine either way and i don't feel the need to tell you to go play elsewhere because you don't view things my way. I can accept some people don't want them here but the "Level Playing Field" comment gets banded about a lot where it's not warranted. It's a decision to buy one of these programs that is personal to each player just as it's a decision to bother making notes or try and improve your game. It is a level playing field because each and every player has the choice - Choices make it level, not fear of technology
Posted by ACESOVER8s

tbf aces, cottlad is voicing his opinion on wether pt/hem should be introduced, just as others have, and there are obv others that want it.
These forums may be taken into account when any decisions are being made higher up.  For this reason, he has the right to speak out about it as I spose you could see it as having a vote.
 
I`m not sure what a USP is so cant comment on that.  Can anyone explain this to me?

As for stats vs notes.  I prob agree with you on that one aces.  I cant think of many notes that could be made that stats wont cover in a lot more detail,  apart from timing tells or something.  I could be wrong though.

Also pt/hem is mainly an advantage for multitablers who dont have time to make notes

ACESOVER8s

Cottlad - Fear of technology comment not specific to you - a comment on why some people don't want it available on this site (Sky is an oddity i think in the fact that it actually has an amazing amount of player loyalty, people who don't play on ANY other site and fear anything that other sites do differently due to BOT scare story's etc)

Presumed you had used these anyway and know you do well on here. The HUD stats to help in realtime are not my only thoughts on this and i'd like to run the programs here as it's predominantly 6 max and i'd like to plug leaks i have against players here specifically - Just don't like being told that i should "Go elsewhere" for asking the question is all. In previous posts i had already stated that i will play here whatever the decision is and like you i have the right to do so (for info purposes i do already play at other major sites mentioned in your posts, i'd just like to add stats from here as well is all)

Although a lot of people like the fact that these are not currently available here i think they forget that it's not a stance by Sky not to have them, it's merely their technology is not up to scratch. There is no Moral highroad on fairness that the site have taken on this (As Yet) it is purely a matter of capability. I respect your right to have an opinion and i guess we will have to wait and see what the SUITS upstairs decide

OMahonyO - USP would stand for Unique Selling Point - something that Sky do differently to everybody else that makes them stand out and people choose them over their competitors. They already have these to be fair with the TV Station and the sky sports shows.

cottlad

You still didn't answer why you play at Sky when you have other accounts with stats software elsewhere? 

ACESOVER8s

I started on SKy as the web browser allowed me to play at work where i couldn't download a client to works system

I now enojy some of the 8pm MTT's due to field size and 6 max action i think they are fun, i mess about on low level cash here and there but only for fun