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Its hard to learn in free play as the chips were going all in pre flop most hand, guess it mgiht be better to elarn at small stakes dym
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it's a crazy game for mad gamblers imo, and in cash games, you could lose your bankroll approx 25 times faster.
Obviously if you are good at it, you can win, but the variance in omaha is prohibitive for players that need to be careful with their bankroll
in the 2 pound double ups ,
in omaha i am hooked lol,
and i kind of know what to do,
this helps lol,
it seems you got to be extra aggressive right or wrong ?
At the end Dohh seems to assume he's ok with QQ, although he is being beaten by any flush, any over pair, any set etc etc. Very dangerous to bluff in Omha as so much more likely to get called by a hand thats beating you.
You are folding assuming you are up against a straight or a flush, both fair assumptions. In Omaha - imo - when you have the nuts bet it hard and keep betting it - flop and turn, pot odds come into play much more as so much money can get into the pot really quickly - with people happy to commit to a pot with drawing hands - so if you have the nuts bet it hard to try and keep the drawing hands away. And when you're losing - fold.
I play small stakes omaha sit and go's and win more often playing abc omaha than i do playing abc holdem. In omaha you can disguise the nuts easily as people get drawn in to their flushes, straights, even 2 pair. It's a great game, easy to get off hands by recognising the possible draws and made hands. It's more difficult to bluff your opponent as they really could have the nuts, the way to win at omaha imo is to play strong with strong hands and find a non believer.
The 3 things that helped me initially were the play with 2 cards rule and remembering that nut flushes may not be winning if the board is paired. Lastly - you can have 4 of a kind with only 1 of them in your hand. So if you have A K Q J in your hand and the board comes AAA you have 4 of a kind with a K kicker. I folded a lot of these before realising I was winning!
And hold on to your hats for Hi/Lo - great great game :-))
Hope that helps.
Would it help if I condensed all the Hints & Tips - not just mine, but all the helpful Posts on this Thread - into a Single Blog Entry? My Blogs are a lot easier to find than a Thread that has slipped off the Front Page.
Many players seem to be struggling with Omaha, so this thread may help.
As soon as time permits, I'll turn it into a Blog, so it's easier to find, as it keeps falling off the Page.
Please remember that in Hold Em, you have ONE two card hand. In Omaha, you have SIX two card hands. This changes the dynamic totally. One pair in Omaha is almost always hopelessly behind.
Also, you MUST use TWO cards from your hand - not more, not less.
And if you have three of a kind in your hand - J-J-J for example - THROW IT AWAY. It has no "scope", it's very difficult for it to improve.
Remember, for starting hand criteria, you want cards that work together.
And NEVER play the hand if you have two danglers.
Anyway....
I've seen a comment crop up a couple of times, possible from our good friend Talon maybe from someone else, that "the 4-flush doesn't exist in Omaha".
I'm confused by this. Surely if I'm holding a couple of (for eg) Clubs and the flop comes two clubs then I'm on the 4-flush - I just need the turn or river to Club up.
'Elp!
Hope this Elps
variance is a lot higher in omaha than holdem and you need to adjust your bankroll accordingly
players think top pair is the nuts in omaha, its not its worthless especially in multi pots
you cant claim a flush with 3 in your hand
jj 8 2 off really isnt a good hand
read this thread a couple of days ago really couldnt make head nor tail of it but i was intrested in playing.so i gave it a go last night,was a bit apprehensive but IRISHROVER was sitting and TALON was watching and they put me at ease straight away giving me tips and wot not,it was much appreiciated guys.anyway won about 80p but i reread the thread again just now and it makes much more sense now.thank you all for the tips...sean
Many seem to be playing NL, try to play PL as managing pot sizes with your bets is VERY important. as Stokefc has mentioned thers a player called Talon who is railing the tables and giving advice, he makes alot of sense and i would recommend listening.
So many people are struggling, & asking for help, (I get PM's every single day seeking help/advicewith Omaha), that I've taken the liberyty of Bumping this thread.
I think I said I'd turn it into a Blog, so it can be found easier. I'll add it to the list.
Numerous players have contributed pearls of Omaha wisdom on this Thread, & without exception, it's all useful.
If you want to grasp Omaha basics, invest 30 minutes to read this thread. Then fire away with your questions - LOTS of Members are answering them, & I've yet to see a bad answer. (With the possible exception of moi.....)
I was playing an Omaha Tourney last night, & an almighty row went off in the chat box.
An odd hand had played out. One guy had A-A-A-7 (he played a hand with THREE ACES IN IT! - that's not, err, "optimal"). The other guy had a proper hand. Both of them had ONE CLUB in their hand.
The board came FIVE Clubs. One thought he had the flush, the other thought he had the K flush.
Both were wrong, of course.
There is nothing more interesting & thought provoking than Pot Limit Omaha, it's seriously skilful. But you MUST know the basics.
I hope you'll re-read this Thread, it contains nothing but gems of Omaha wisdom.
As a "quick-fix" alternative, try reading Talon's Blog - it's here.....
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_blog&plckBlogId=Blog:3cd67b29-9459-4d3e-ad5e-b60a25474231
Until you learn Omaha, you don't know the fun you are missing out on!
By the bye, at 7.15pm tonight, there is a Bounty Hunter Omaha Tourney. £5.75, & a bundle of fun that'll be.
EDITED @ 17.23, 5/01/10