* * * MTT * * *

aussie09

and for the whole year...

there have been 36,695 players in 2,992 tournaments.

	Points	played	score	win	FT	cash	bubble
1	MattBates	1,648	4,521	36	134	247	32
2	DivsDreams	1,192	3,325	15	99	196	25
3	SoLack	1,151	3,258	16	91	194	17
4	TommyD	1,123	3,215	27	86	196	18
5	terrytwomore	1,284	3,192	14	73	205	5
6	PhilAny2_Q	1,086	3,036	24	86	170	8
7	smith1408	1,091	3,008	5	39	162	6
8	high_tea	1,331	2,979	17	52	150	5
9	chicknMelt	1,044	2,965	11	78	166	14
10	poker69	1,073	2,819	11	69	167	10

	Winnings (£)	played	buy-ins	returns
1	MattBates	1,648	56,855.00	78,609.31
2	DivsDreams	1,192	38,771.25	66,170.68
3	TommyD	1,123	41,262.75	52,764.89
4	SoLack	1,151	43,346.75	52,160.28
5	PhilAny2_Q	1,086	38,068.25	45,048.01
6	jordz16	822	25,224.00	40,660.95
7	jawzindawz	864	18,606.00	36,772.63
8	chicknMelt	1,044	34,524.00	36,655.83
9	darsum333	601	24,766.75	33,997.42
10	gazzaluf05	489	20,938.50	33,930.76

	Cashes	played	no
1	MattBates	1,648	247
2	terrytwomore	1,284	205
3	DivsDreams	1,192	196
4	TommyD	1,123	196
5	SoLack	1,151	194
6	PhilAny2_Q	1,086	170
7	poker69	1,073	167
8	chicknMelt	1,044	166
9	smith1408	1,091	162
10	banana10	1,050	160

	Heads	played	no
1	MattBates	1,648	1,664
2	terrytwomore	1,284	1,399
3	nslater112	1,116	1,305
4	high_tea	1,331	1,274
5	poker69	1,073	1,227
6	DivsDreams	1,192	1,052
7	PhilAny2_Q	1,086	1,023
8	Fat_Uncle	732	1,022
9	ROBINAYR	788	1,008
10	SoLack	1,151	953

	Bubble	played	no
1	MattBates	1,648	32
2	DivsDreams	1,192	25
3	TommyD	1,123	18
4	SoLack	1,151	17
5	jordz16	822	15
6	chicknMelt	1,044	14
7	nslater112	1,116	12
8	nicknat118	901	11
9	poker69	1,073	10
10	POKEOFFU	449	10

 

aussie09

hi all,

i am able to make a contribution to the forum by way of a review of events. 

as an illustration, the tables below show performances in december (up to tuesday 16) for all the £1,000+ guaranteed games.

in total, there have been 7,660 players in 188 games.

for the points system i use a scale that ranges from 1 to 10 and includes participation, top half, bubble, cash, final table and winner categories.

pos	Points	played	score	win	FT	cash	bubble
1	kc8	148	326	1	6	16
2	terrytwomore	112	291	1	7	21	1
3	nslater112	100	245		8	14	2
4	Ozzy1000	76	232		1	20
5	GSmith13	72	221	1	6	13
6	SoLack	78	218		7	13	1
7	MattBates	70	203	2	5	9	4
8	wi03	74	203		2	12
9	banana10	76	200	1	3	8	2
10	POKEY2011	61	197		3	13	2

pos	Winnings (£)	played	buy-ins	returns
1	jawzindawz	55	1,117.75	7,730.82
2	weesambo91	3	176.00	5,459.77
3	StayOrGo	57	1,881.00	4,160.56
4	MrStarch1	3	231.00	3,446.45
5	kosb14	8	247.50	3,271.25
6	andrew1947	39	952.50	3,209.95
7	SoLack	78	2,717.00	3,136.55
8	PhilAny2_Q	58	1,903.00	3,088.67
9	SUPERSNEDD	29	759.25	2,918.96
10	MattBates	70	2,623.50	2,776.33

pos	Cashes	played	no
1	terrytwomore	112	21
2	Ozzy1000	76	20
3	kc8	148	16
4	natry20111	54	15
5	jawzindawz	55	15
6	NooGooood	59	15
7	nslater112	100	14
8	StayOrGo	57	13
9	POKEY2011	61	13
10	Tsaaaar	64	13

pos	Heads	played	no
1	kc8	148	258
2	nslater112	100	127
3	terrytwomore	112	110
4	kettle9930	54	98
5	ROBINAYR	61	92
6	poker69	70	88
7	jawzindawz	55	84
8	MattBates	70	82
9	LmfaoAllin	68	81
10	shirley02	54	77

pos	Bubble	played	no
1	MattBates	70	4
2	ChipsFool2	36	3
3	POKEOFFU	46	3
4	moonhead71	8	2
5	POKERTREV	20	2
6	HITMAN_RV	22	2
7	MacMonster	34	2
8	Fat_Uncle	49	2
9	Savvy_79	51	2
10	bar4004	57	2

 

ShaunyT

Great thread.

And I like all the different tables of stats.

Are you gonna keep this up on a monthly basis in the coming year?

GELDY

nice work

although i don't like the scoring system, but then you know that anyway. 

aussie09

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Great thread. And I like all the different tables of stats. Are you gonna keep this up on a monthly basis in the coming year?
Posted by ShaunyT

thanks shauny.

no pkans other than producing the year totals.



 

aussie09

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nice work although i don't like the scoring system, but then you know that anyway. 
Posted by GELDY

thanks gelds.


ps.  there are five tables.  four tables are totally factual, the fifth is 90% factual.  the scoring of points is appropriate for the purpose. 

pps   even though you don't know the scoring system be assured that it is simple and rates performance including cashes and is fit for purpose.



 
  

jordz16

Awesome tables, nice work.

A little bit worried that the table i finished highest on is the bubble table, always knew i ran awfully :P

aussie09

Matthew Bates by The Jam

I am a dull and simple lad

Cannot tell water from champagne

and I have never met the Queen

And I wish I could have all he has got -

I wish I could be like matthew bates

And when I lie on my pillow at night

I dream I could fight like matthew bates

And lead the school team to victory

Take my exams and pass the lot

He is the head boy at the school

He is the captain of the team

He is so gay and fancy free

And I wish I could have all he has got

I wish I could be like matthew bates

And all the girls in the neighbourhood

Try to go out with matthew bates

The try their best but can't succeed

For he is of pure and noble breed

 

aussie09

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Awesome tables, nice work. A little bit worried that the table i finished highest on is the bubble table, always knew i ran awfully :P
Posted by jordz16

thanks jordz

ps.   i proved to myself that you are a fine player.




 

VespaPX

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Matthew Bates by The Jam I am a dull and simple lad Cannot tell water from champagne and I have never met the Queen And I wish I could have all he has got - I wish I could be like matthew bates And when I lie on my pillow at night I dream I could fight like matthew bates And lead the school team to victory Take my exams and pass the lot   He is the head boy at the school He is the captain of the team He is so gay and fancy free And I wish I could have all he has got I wish I could be like matthew bates   And all the girls in the neighbourhood Try to go out with matthew bates The try their best but can't succeed For he is of pure and noble breed    
Posted by aussie09

That's pushing it a bit far!

mrsduck

I want to go out with Matthew Bates!

Ps Nice tables

hhyftrftdr

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I want to go out with Matthew Bates! Ps Nice tables
Posted by mrsduck

Flat shoes only.

aussie09

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I want to go out with Matthew Bates! Ps Nice tables
Posted by mrsduck

thank you mrsD

Slipwater

2015 resolution: learn to use Excel.

Nuggy962

Love this shows poker is a skill game.

We'll done all winners, some unreal returns there!!

Challak

Great stats there, good work!

GELDY

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In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : thanks gelds. ps.  there are five tables.  four tables are totally factual, the fifth is 90% factual.  the scoring of points is appropriate for the purpose.  pps   even though you don't know the scoring system be assured that it is simple and rates performance including cashes and is fit for purpose.     
Posted by aussie09

might be worth checking your code, unless it's meant to have an anti TommyD function. also are your stats inclusive or exclusive? ie when you say FT is that all FT's or just those where it wasn't a win.

3	SoLack	1,151	3,258	16	91	194	17
4	TommyD	1,123	3,215	27	86	196	18

Lambert180

Nice stats. Bit of spare time on your hands Aussie?

Not to bang this drum again, but I think some of the above backs up why your points system perhaps isn't optimal.

If we look at the points totals for the whole of 2014....

It's clear to see imo that it's not 'right' that TommyD is 4th behind Solack. Tommy has more cashes (albeit only by 2), he's 5 behind Solly in terms of number of FTs but is an absolute mile ahead in terms of MTT wins which is obviously the hardest thing to do. Maybe it's an error in the formulae somewhere cos I can't even figure out what the points distribution must be for those figures to work out that way... even if it was a case of 'quantity over quality' i.e. you didn't want to weight it too heavily in favour of wins over FTing, TommyD still has more FTs and wins combined than Solly does (and more cashes) but finishes lower.

It's less clear cut but I also think looking at those stats it's pretty clear that Tommy should be ranked higher than DivsDreams too. Ok Tommy is 13 FTs behind Divs, but then he is 12 wins ahead of him, and surely no one can possibly dispute that 12 outright wins is WAYYYYY more impressive than 13 FTs?

I didn't comment on the whole UKOPS player of the series cos I just think it's so hard to come up with a system everyone will be happy with, and I didn't have any better ideas than what had already been suggested, but just thought I'd point out that above are two pretty big flaws imo. For instance, if the table above was the actual figures for UKOPS, and we assume MattBates doesn't exist, if I was TommyD and I saw that table published, with those stats, and I didn't win player of the series, I'd think it was pretty outrageous.

Lambert180

Just realised the total winnings table for 2014 must be wrong too. If Bates has outlayed 56k and won 78k, then that's 22k profit (give or take), but Divs is showing as 38k outlay with 66k winnings so 28k profit (give or take), yet he's behind Matt.

DOHHHHHHH

terrytwomore is the best. 

Phantom66

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Just realised the total winnings table for 2014 must be wrong too. If Bates has outlayed 56k and won 78k, then that's 22k profit (give or take), but Divs is showing as 38k outlay with 66k winnings so 28k profit (give or take), yet he's behind Matt.
Posted by Lambert180

Table is ordered in winnings ie returns, irrespective of buy-ins.

So I don't think it is "wrong" just would be ordered differently if it was profit - I believe divs has been more profitable in MTTs on sky this year than Mr Bates.

As for the points - Aussie hasn't stated what the formula is

Is it weighted towards the bigger events?
Are there graded points for 2-6th?

But without seeing the formual cant really say.

Glenelg

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terrytwomore is the best. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Strangely,  I never heard/noticed his name! 

aussie09

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Just realised the total winnings table for 2014 must be wrong too. If Bates has outlayed 56k and won 78k, then that's 22k profit (give or take), but Divs is showing as 38k outlay with 66k winnings so 28k profit (give or take), yet he's behind Matt.
Posted by Lambert180

it is correct, it is sorted by winnings

i could easily produce a different league of profit

aussie09

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In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : might be worth checking your code, unless it's meant to have an anti TommyD function. also are your stats inclusive or exclusive? ie when you say FT is that all FT's or just those where it wasn't a win. 3 SoLack 1,151 3,258 16 91 194 17 4 TommyD 1,123 3,215 27 86 196 18
Posted by GELDY

the numbers are fine.  it is very close for those two.  solack gets to FT slightly more and also doesn't get knocked out early quite so often.

if you win you also FT and also cash, obv.  i choose this way of reporting as it makes more sense.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:

In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : Table is ordered in winnings ie returns, irrespective of buy-ins. So I don't think it is "wrong" just would be ordered differently if it was profit - I believe divs has been more profitable in MTTs on sky this year than Mr Bates. As for the points - Aussie hasn't stated what the formula is Is it weighted towards the bigger events? Are there graded points for 2-6th? But without seeing the formual cant really say.
Posted by Phantom66

Last time I checked Bates was number 1 on SS leaderboard for the year. Think Divs had the number 1 spot for quite a while after FTing the roller like every single week for the first 2-3 months of the year but think Bates is back on top now, dunno if Divs has binked something recently to change that.

But yeah if it's winnings, then that makes sense, it's correct for what it is.

aussie09

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Nice stats. Bit of spare time on your hands Aussie? Not to bang this drum again, but I think some of the above backs up why your points system perhaps isn't optimal. If we look at the points totals for the whole of 2014.... It's clear to see imo that it's not 'right' that TommyD is 4th behind Solack. Tommy has more cashes (albeit only by 2), he's 5 behind Solly in terms of number of FTs but is an absolute mile ahead in terms of MTT wins which is obviously the hardest thing to do. Maybe it's an error in the formulae somewhere cos I can't even figure out what the points distribution must be for those figures to work out that way... even if it was a case of 'quantity over quality' i.e. you didn't want to weight it too heavily in favour of wins over FTing, TommyD still has more FTs and wins combined than Solly does (and more cashes) but finishes lower. It's less clear cut but I also think looking at those stats it's pretty clear that Tommy should be ranked higher than DivsDreams too. Ok Tommy is 13 FTs behind Divs, but then he is 12 wins ahead of him, and surely no one can possibly dispute that 12 outright wins is WAYYYYY more impressive than 13 FTs? I didn't comment on the whole UKOPS player of the series cos I just think it's so hard to come up with a system everyone will be happy with, and I didn't have any better ideas than what had already been suggested, but just thought I'd point out that above are two pretty big flaws imo. For instance, if the table above was the actual figures for UKOPS, and we assume MattBates doesn't exist, if I was TommyD and I saw that table published, with those stats, and I didn't win player of the series, I'd think it was pretty outrageous.
Posted by Lambert180

2	DivsDreams	1,192	3,325	15	99	196	25
3	SoLack	1,151	3,258	16	91	194	17
4	TommyD	1,123	3,215	27	86	196	18

the figures are correct.  you see the FTs that each gets to.  put aside the games that each wins, it reveals that divs has reached 84 FTs, solly 75 FTs and tommy 59 FTs.  that's why the three are so close

TeddyBloat

Gotta agree with lambert re how the points are weighted. tommy should be ahead of divs and solack.

And not just because he's so dreamy...

aussie09

	Profit	played	buy-ins	returns	profit
1	DivsDreams	1,192	38,771.25	66,170.68	27,399.43
2	MattBates	1,648	56,855.00	78,609.31	21,754.31
3	DEKKER5207	127	6,165.50	25,651.88	19,486.38
4	jawzindawz	864	18,606.00	36,772.63	18,166.63
5	jordz16	822	25,224.00	40,660.95	15,436.95
6	chabba	309	10,396.50	25,259.96	14,863.46
7	CMoorman	4	550.00	14,398.32	13,848.32
8	IH8PALACE	155	6,705.00	19,710.91	13,005.91
9	Hammmmers	89	4,093.00	17,098.32	13,005.32
10	gazzaluf05	489	20,938.50	33,930.76	12,992.26

F_Ivanovic

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In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : the numbers are fine.  it is very close for those two.  solack gets to FT slightly more and also doesn't get knocked out early quite so often. if you win you also FT and also cash, obv.  i choose this way of reporting as it makes more sense.
Posted by aussie09

I think IMO winning 11 more times having reached the FT is better than reaching the FT 5 more times. After all to reach the FT with a good chance of winning it sometimes you have to take risks before the FT. Did you weight different or same values for coming 2nd or 6th? If so maybe that would explain why Solack is higher (if his FT positions other than wins were higher)

Getting knocked out early is also IMO completely irrelevant to include - you mention you awarded points for finishing top half but I just don't see the value in awarding points like this. To win tournaments sometimes you need to take risks early doors and there's no shame in going out early doors half of the time if the other half you build up an early chip lead.

HITMAN_RV

Great Work Aus Rob!!!!

....that Moorman Geezer, must be a rite lucki part timer, only playing in 4!!!

aussie09

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Great Work Aus Rob!!!! ....that Moorman Geezer, must be a rite lucki part timer, only playing in 4!!!
Posted by HITMAN_RV

thanks dave