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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : I think IMO winning 11 more times having reached the FT is better than reaching the FT 5 more times. After all to reach the FT with a good chance of winning it sometimes you have to take risks before the FT. Did you weight different or same values for coming 2nd or 6th? If so maybe that would explain why Solack is higher (if his FT positions other than wins were higher) Getting knocked out early is also IMO completely irrelevant to include - you mention you awarded points for finishing top half but I just don't see the value in awarding points like this. To win tournaments sometimes you need to take risks early doors and there's no shame in going out early doors half of the time if the other half you build up an early chip lead.
    Posted by F_Ivanovic

    remember the tables show volumes not averages.  tommy has done slightly better on average.  but there again probably 500 have a better average than tommy. 



     
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Nice stats. Bit of spare time on your hands Aussie?
    Posted by Lambert180
    thanks paul, a thousand hours.


     
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  • tomgooduntomgoodun
    edited December 2014
    Excellent work Mr Aussie( may I call you Rob) now...any chance of doing stats for the £2 deep stack at 7.15 :)
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  • poppy765poppy765
    edited December 2014
    Great work aussie!
    (weesambo roi for the month is unbelievable!)
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Excellent work Mr Aussie( may I call you Rob) now...any chance of doing stats for the £2 deep stack at 7.15 :)
    Posted by tomgoodun

    thanks tom

    stats for the £2 deep stack should only be done by someone who isn't scared of playing in it.

    rob



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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Great work aussie! (weesambo roi for the month is unbelievable!)
    Posted by poppy765
    thanks poppy.  weesambo is the new kid on the block and doing very well.  he has also won 3 x £100, 1 x £20 and 2 x iPhone6 in the christmas promotion.



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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited December 2014
    first can i say this is a great initiative.
    however i really do not like the points system you've used.
    another example below P2Q has destroyed ttm in wins and non-win FTs. but more games and more cashes favours ttm too much. so i tried to do a regression to derive approximate weights used in the system and it is virtually impossible to deduce any weight for the wins. it is totally drowned out by the noise from playing and cashing. as even the best are not winning more than 3% of their games played the wins have become statistically irrelevant.


     PointsplayedscorewinFTcashbubble
            
    5terrytwomore1,2843,19214732055
    6PhilAny2_Q1,0863,03624861708
            
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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited December 2014
    you need to give more weight to the up-top performances to make them statistically relevant. an extra 20 FTW and 5 for the FT (as you've defined) makes the table look below. not only does this seem more natural, but the wins now appear more appropriately in a regression.

    i'm not saying that's how it should be done, it's just by way of example as to the scale of tweaking needed.

    pos Points played score win FT cash bubble new score
    1 MattBates 1648 4521 36 134 247 32 5911
    4 TommyD 1123 3215 27 86 196 18 4185
    2 DivsDreams 1192 3325 15 99 196 25 4120
    3 SoLack 1151 3258 16 91 194 17 4033
    6 PhilAny2_Q 1086 3036 24 86 170 8 3946
    5 terrytwomore 1284 3192 14 73 205 5 3837
    8 high_tea 1331 2979 17 52 150 5 3579
    9 chicknMelt 1044 2965 11 78 166 14 3575
    10 poker69 1073 2819 11 69 167 10 3384
    7 smith1408 1091 3008 5 39 162 6 3303
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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited December 2014

    pos Points played score win FT cash bubble new score
    1 MattBates 1648 4521 36 134 247 32 5911
    4 TommyD 1123 3215 27 86 196 18 4185
    2 DivsDreams 1192 3325 15 99 196 25 4120
    3 SoLack 1151 3258 16 91 194 17 4033
    6 PhilAny2_Q 1086 3036 24 86 170 8 3946
    5 terrytwomore 1284 3192 14 73 205 5 3837
    8 high_tea 1331 2979 17 52 150 5 3579
    9 chicknMelt 1044 2965 11 78 166 14 3575
    10 poker69 1073 2819 11 69 167 10 3384
    7 smith1408 1091 3008 5 39 162 6 3303
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    first can i say this is a great initiative. however i really do not like the points system you've used. another example below P2Q has destroyed ttm in wins and non-win FTs. but more games and more cashes favours ttm too much. so i tried to do a regression to derive approximate weights used in the system and it is virtually impossible to deduce any weight for the wins. it is totally drowned out by the noise from playing and cashing. as even the best are not winning more than 3% of their games played the wins have become statistically irrelevant.   Points played score win FT cash bubble                 5 terrytwomore 1,284 3,192 14 73 205 5 6 PhilAny2_Q 1,086 3,036 24 86 170 8                
    Posted by GELDY

    hi gelds,

    thank you first off.

    there are now 6 different tables and points applies only to one table.  the points system is designed to compare players for different purposes.  it is also changeable.  i regularly change the points to look at different rankings of performance.

    i will tweak the points again soon, no doubt.  having three players so close on points after a year is fine, but undesirable.  i want to be able to discriminate between them.






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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014


    i had a look at another set of weightings the skew the results towards the top end.  the outcome is pretty much the same.  tommy overtakes solack.  the three; divs, tommy and solack are still very close on points.  p2q is higher. 

    i am content with this as a good illustration of overall performance.

      Points played score win FT cash bubble
    1 MattBates 1,648 2,634 36 134 247 32
    2 DivsDreams 1,192 1,950 15 99 196 25
    3 TommyD 1,123 1,928 27 86 196 18
    4 SoLack 1,151 1,924 16 91 194 17
    5 PhilAny2_Q 1,086 1,793 24 86 170 8
    6 terrytwomore 1,284 1,772 14 73 205 5
    7 chicknMelt 1,044 1,737 11 78 166 14
    8 smith1408 1,091 1,695 5 39 162 6
    9 poker69 1,073 1,597 11 69 167 10
    10 banana10 1,050 1,517 4 17 160 9



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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY
    edited December 2014


    The only thing I can deduce from these tables is that Mattbates has failed to cash in 1,401 tournies. That figure is more than any one else has even played....therefore he must be the nut worst player on this site! 

    .....ish
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    The only thing I can deduce from these tables is that Mattbates has failed to cash in 1,401 tournies. That figure is more than any one else has even played....therefore he must be the nut worst player on this site!  .....ish
    Posted by MAXALLY
    lol.  excellent.



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  • SlipwaterSlipwater
    edited December 2014

    I’m not trying to be the fly in the ointment here, but is it only me who feels a little uneasy that the profits of players are being posted in this thread? I appreciate that this information is easily accessible through certain channels, and I have nothing against Aussie's work here, but I still think it’s unnecessary to have it collated for all to see. Perhaps the players being discussed wouldn’t feel overly comfortable either. I don’t know. It’s part of the reason I was against using monetary values when the points system for the Main/Mini Leaderboard was discussed twelve months ago.

     

    If I’m on my own, fair enough – in which case, as you were.

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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    I’m not trying to be the fly in the ointment here, but....
    Posted by Slipwater
    you know slippy that all mtt figures are available to everyone who wishes to see them.  there's nothing secret, nor is there any reason to be secretive either.

    some people look at s/scope to get a full picture.  some people look at your tables to get a focussed picture.  i look at my tables to get a focussed picture too. 



     
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater
    edited December 2014
    I did concur this was easy to find.
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  • MattBatesMattBates
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    The only thing I can deduce from these tables is that Mattbates has failed to cash in 1,401 tournies. That figure is more than any one else has even played....therefore he must be the nut worst player on this site!  .....ish
    Posted by MAXALLY
    Phew, thought you was going to mention that I have the most bubbles!
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  • nickd49931nickd49931
    edited December 2014
    Must admit it is slightly interesting that the OP is ok with posting other people's profit an losses yet has his own stats blocked. Still, you must have gone to some effort to make these tables an they offer some good stats 
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Must admit it is slightly interesting that the OP is ok with posting other people's profit an losses yet has his own stats blocked. Still, you must have gone to some effort to make these tables an they offer some good stats 
    Posted by nickd49931

    thanks nick


     
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited December 2014

    Nice Tables Mr White ;')

    Have a great Christmas and Rungolden in 2015. 


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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Nice Tables Mr White ;') Have a great Christmas and Rungolden in 2015. 
    Posted by j3ono

    thanks man... mc&hny to you




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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited December 2014
    might want to check buyin figures
    CMoorman paid £530 for the HR and the other 3 were £110s iirc

    7CMoorman4550.0014,398.3213,848.32

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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    might want to check buyin figures CMoorman paid £530 for the HR and the other 3 were £110s iirc 7 CMoorman 4 550.00 14,398.32 13,848.32
    Posted by GELDY

    cheers geldy.  i had forgotten about that "super-high" buy-in level and noted that game as £220  will correct my records.  thank you.


     
     
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  • GREGSTERGREGSTER
    edited December 2014
    Great stats Aussie. Just from those ten players they paid Sky approximately £34K in rake.

    You said in one of the first post approx 37,000 players had played, do you have a spreadsheet with 37,000 different lines on? Looks like you put quite a few hours into this, very interesting though. Would be good if you could put a link to the spreadsheet or whatever you use on a external website or something, not sure if that is possible. Then even the also-rans could see how they shape up without putting the whole lot on a forum post.
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Great stats Aussie. Just from those ten players they paid Sky approximately £34K in rake. You said in one of the first post approx 37,000 players had played, do you have a spreadsheet with 37,000 different lines on? Looks like you put quite a few hours into this, very interesting though. Would be good if you could put a link to the spreadsheet or whatever you use on a external website or something, not sure if that is possible. Then even the also-rans could see how they shape up without putting the whole lot on a forum post.
    Posted by GREGSTER

    thanks greg. 

    37,000 players so far in 2014.  i am running something at the moment as i am interested in seeing who are the top 10 players over the last 5 years.





     
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  • GlenelgGlenelg
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : thanks greg.  37,000 players so far in 2014.  i am running something at the moment as i am interested in seeing who are the top 10 players over the last 5 years.  
    Posted by aussie09

    Just outta curiosity...Nothing vain mind,   Am i in the top 36,000? 
    Theres gotta be "Glenelg" somewhere on the spreadsheet surely? ;-)
    Loving ya work.
    Why did you give up doing the jackpot thread?
    Musta been a doddle compared to this?
    pad
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : Just outta curiosity...Nothing vain mind,   Am i in the top 36,000?  Theres gotta be "Glenelg" somewhere on the spreadsheet surely? ;-) Loving ya work. Why did you give up doing the jackpot thread? Musta been a doddle compared to this? pad
    Posted by Glenelg
    hi pad,

    as you asked i had a look at your figures and yes you are in the top 36,000.  last night, i created tables for the last five years, there are 93,914 players.  you are in the top 36,000 of those too.  your figures are good but i have not gone into any great detail.

    incidentally, you are 1,835th out of 94,000 players in the bubble league.

    thanks for you comments too.

    rob



    ps.  i stopped posting jackpot updates because of being flamed too often.  as i did it for fun, so we can all see who has a chance, when the fun part disappeared i stopped.  i have posted a few jackpot updates to richard's and anna's show threads recently.



     
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : hi pad, as you asked i had a look at your figures and yes you are in the top 36,000.  last night, i created tables for the last five years, there are 93,914 players.  you are in the top 36,000 of those too.  your figures are good but i have not gone into any great detail. incidentally, you are 1,835th out of 94,000 players in the bubble league. thanks for you comments too. rob ps.  i stopped posting jackpot updates because of being flamed too often.  as i did it for fun, so we can all see who has a chance, when the fun part disappeared i stopped.  i have posted a few jackpot updates to richard's and anna's show threads recently.  
    Posted by aussie09
    Ha, brilliant, damned with faint praise as the saying goes.

    Flaming? It's really quite a comment on internet society these days. I'll wager that those that flamed you do nothing to contribute positively to the Community, but enjoy knocking those that do.
     
    My time on the internet is nearly run, & in some ways, I can't say I'm sorry about that.
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : Ha, brilliant, damned with faint praise as the saying goes. Flaming? It's really quite a comment on internet society these days. I'll wager that those that flamed you do nothing to contribute positively to the Community, but enjoy knocking those that do.   My time on the internet is nearly run, & in some ways, I can't say I'm sorry about that.
    Posted by Tikay10

    hi tikay,

    you had better carry on for a lot longer on the internet, i have just voted for you. 

    And, you defo can't accept an award for blogging if you have held your internet connection in your hands and gone ahead with the snip.

    rob



     
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited December 2014


    up to and including last night's £1k+ games, the tables for december 2014 are these.

    a total of 8,056 players in 212 games.

      Winners played win FT cash bubble
    1 StayOrGo 65 4 10 14 1
    2 PhilAny2_Q 65 4 8 12 1
    3 luckme002 57 3 6 11 3
    4 Tormas77 24 3 3 7  
    5 jawzindawz 63 2 8 16  
    6 gandy83 39 2 7 11  
    7 bearlyther 58 2 6 11 1
    8 PICKLE33 57 2 6 8  
    9 MattBates 74 2 5 9 4
    10 snoxx11 48 2 5 5 1
      Points played score win FT cash bubble
    1 terrytwomore 126 103 1 7 22 1
    2 kc8 163 103 1 7 18  
    3 StayOrGo 65 96 4 10 14 1
    4 PhilAny2_Q 65 91 4 8 12 1
    5 jawzindawz 63 88 2 8 16  
    6 Ozzy1000 87 84   1 22  
    7 natry20111 64 82 1 7 17  
    8 nslater112 104 80   8 14 2
    9 GSmith13 72 79 1 6 13  
    10 SoLack 89 78   7 14 1
      Returns played buy-ins returns
    1 jawzindawz 63 1,255.50 7,745.38
    2 weesambo91 3 176.00 5,459.77
    3 StayOrGo 65 2,095.50 4,302.31
    4 gandy83 39 973.50 3,592.87
    5 MrStarch1 3 231.00 3,446.45
    6 andrew1947 45 1,046.25 3,355.24
    7 kosb14 9 280.50 3,271.25
    8 SUPERSNEDD 35 918.75 3,267.46
    9 SoLack 89 3,063.50 3,259.30
    10 bearlyther 58 1,716.00 3,176.21
      Profit played buy-ins returns profit
    1 jawzindawz 63 1,255.50 7,745.38 6,489.88
    2 weesambo91 3 176.00 5,459.77 5,283.77
    3 MrStarch1 3 231.00 3,446.45 3,215.45
    4 kosb14 9 280.50 3,271.25 2,990.75
    5 gandy83 39 973.50 3,592.87 2,619.37
    6 Tormas77 24 446.00 2,918.53 2,472.53
    7 SUPERSNEDD 35 918.75 3,267.46 2,348.71
    8 andrew1947 45 1,046.25 3,355.24 2,308.99
    9 lundie 36 519.50 2,727.19 2,207.69
    10 StayOrGo 65 2,095.50 4,302.31 2,206.81
      Cashes played no
    1 terrytwomore 126 22
    2 Ozzy1000 87 22
    3 kc8 163 18
    4 natry20111 64 17
    5 NooGooood 68 17
    6 jawzindawz 63 16
    7 StayOrGo 65 14
    8 SoLack 89 14
    9 Tsaaaar 69 14
    10 nslater112 104 14
      Heads played no
    1 kc8 163 292
    2 nslater112 104 128
    3 terrytwomore 126 118
    4 kettle9930 65 117
    5 ROBINAYR 66 115
    6 LmfaoAllin 78 95
    7 poker69 82 90
    8 jawzindawz 63 87
    9 StayOrGo 65 87
    10 luckme002 57 87
      Bubble played no
    1 MattBates 74 4
    2 POKEOFFU 51 4
    3 luckme002 57 3
    4 ChipsFool2 47 3
    5 nslater112 104 2
    6 LmfaoAllin 78 2
    7 POKEY2011 76 2
    8 banana10 85 2
    9 Fat_Uncle 56 2
    10 rspca12 46 2


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