In Response to Re: Is this a joke?? Or just a slap in the face?? : A lot of gaming sites now require ID before customers can make a withdrawal (Passport, driving license and proof of address). I know everyone doesn,t have all these but couldn,t the SB+G team request at least 1 of these for all new customers? It wouldn,t could it out altogethor but would certainly reduce multi-accounting P Posted by MP33
Hi,
That's such an interesting question, & I'll try & address some of it.
Firstly, multi-accounting, which is peculiar, but in different ways, to both Sky Bet & Sky Poker, is less prevalent than you might think. In poker, it's a very emotive topic, & people get very uppity when they smell a rat, but the incidence of MA is really very small indeed. It does happen, yes, but it's rare, the vast majority of poker players are honest. An odd aside is that often it comes from players who have taken the hump with the site, said "I'm leaving", & then create a new account to return, as they realised they were wrong but don't want to lose face.
Registration procedures, because of the sheer size of SB&G, & the need to streamline systems & be efficient, are identical for all SB&G sites. One size does not always fit all, fair to say, but on balance it needs to be like that.
Now to the heart of your question. The Business can measure the success or failure of "Registration journeys". In case you were not aware, all Gaming Sites suffer a % of would be Clients who start the Registration process, but don't complete it. Even if this number were only 10%, that's a lot of potential lost business.
So the Registration process has to strike a balance between 2 things.
1) Quick & easy, to lessen the failed Registration Journeys.
2) Sufficiently robust to ensure compliance, & no hanky-panky.
It's quite a balancing act to get those 2 in sync.
In reality, MA in poker is less prevalent than most think, though yes, it happens.
As to the comments in this thread, suggesting MA-ers will somehow wangle themselves a free UKPC seat, well I'd say that's going to be extremely difficult for them to achieve, though I'm not going to explain why, obviously.
In Response to Re: Is this a joke?? Or just a slap in the face?? : In! 299007 However, if the prize is a seat at the UKPC, then please withdraw my submission. Unless, if SKY arranged for me to be carried there piggybag by your goodself, whilst stopping every mile to feed me peeled grapes, whilst I charm you with some interesting facts. ps.Interesting fact #23,119 An average Ostrich egg contains more calories than the average family sized Christmas Turkey. Posted by Macacgirl1
Agree with irish rose ,think it is a joke. Whoever's idea it is in sky to give 50 new players a £8600 freeroll is so wrong, if i was their boss, i would go right through them.It just makes no sense and definitely does not seem right, maybe the person in charge should check the 50 players in a few month time to see how many are still playing, then they may realise how many thousands they have thrown away. (if it was maybe 500 players in the freeroll i could understand)
I think it's a good idea, I would imagine the folk that win will tell others and when the word spreads that they won a seat to this prestigious tournament for free it would encourage them to sign up.
The regs here have had countless free rolls and other chances to win a seat so there is no harm in trying something to get new players signed up.
Agree with irish rose ,think it is a joke. Whoever's idea it is in sky to give 50 new players a £8600 freeroll is so wrong, if i was their boss, i would go right through them.It just makes no sense and definitely does not seem right, maybe the person in charge should check the 50 players in a few month time to see how many are still playing, then they may realise how many thousands they have thrown away. (if it was maybe 500 players in the freeroll i could understand) Posted by supercrazy
If thats the final number then someones got it horribly wrong and probably looking for a new job.
You seem to think £8600 is a lot of money, I wonder how much rake would be paid if just 1 player stayed and earned 10,000 points a month over 10 years, anybody want to guess or work it out.
You seem to think £8600 is a lot of money, I wonder how much rake would be paid if just 1 player stayed and earned 10,000 points a month over 10 years, anybody want to guess or work it out. Posted by Sir-Gary
3 years wages in Yorkshire.
Good luck to them, got to try and entice new players and signups, this is a delicious cherry for them to take a bite of.
You seem to think £8600 is a lot of money, I wonder how much rake would be paid if just 1 player stayed and earned 10,000 points a month over 10 years, anybody want to guess or work it out. Posted by Sir-Gary
It's not just Sky Poker though Gary, when signing up to Sky Poker, players automatically then have accounts with Sky Bet, Sky Vegas, Sky Casino, Sky Bingo etc, & of course there is a common wallet.
So the factors in this equation are "average value per year to SB&G", & "average lifetime value to SB&G", these are in addition annual & lifetime to poker.
When a "first Client Sky Poker" (say, someone who signs up to Sky Poker & then uses other parts of SB&G) then spends money elsewhere on the SB&G sites, Sky Poker derive benefit.
Acquisition & x-sell is a well-developed & very important theme in online gaming, & looking at these Promos in one dimension misses the bigger picture.
In Response to Re: Is this a joke?? Or just a slap in the face?? : Ha, I think we have a winner. Make sure you come & introduce yourself in Nottingham. Posted by Tikay10
Careful TK you don't want to make young miss Smith jealous......;-)
Id like to vote I think its absolutely brilliant, see you all in Nottingham Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Tracey Posted by ishowufold
I'd like to congratulate you on both winning the seat to Notts and also finding the forum chat threads so quickly (only took me a year to find that part of the site!!!).
I still personally believe the 6 seats offered to a pool of 60+ players was over generous but I don't begrudge the players who got the benefit of the promotion.
In Response to Re: Is this a joke?? Or just a slap in the face?? : I'd like to congratulate you on both winning the seat to Notts and also finding the forum chat threads so quickly (only took me a year to find that part of the site!!!). I still personally believe the 6 seats offered to a pool of 60+ players was over generous but I don't begrudge the players who got the benefit of the promotion. Hope you run golden in Notts. Posted by IrishRose
Hey Rose, The moral of this is to shop around for promotions. Im sure you will make it to dtd but if you dont i should be able to get you in to 220 tourny in nottingham around April/May. Not quite ukpc but its a very decent weekend tournament.
Tracey and the other winners, Congrats.
To Skypoker, I'm willing to offer my services. For ONLY £6000 a month i will guarantee 100 new players each month.Less money more players, hurry before i accept a new position as a sales consultant ay my local mcdonalds
This is standard business practice to offer deals to potential new customers. If I got upset at the SKY TV package deals available to new customers, I would be permanently upset and as for DFS sales.......
We all have the option of a deal when we join (think I got £10) but deals to new customers don't take anything from me. It just increases the businesses sustainability.
I suppose it is human nature to be jealous when someone gets something that we don't but I learnt many years ago that negative emotions only make me feel worse.
In Response to Re: Is this a joke?? Or just a slap in the face?? : I'd like to congratulate you on both winning the seat to Notts and also finding the forum chat threads so quickly (only took me a year to find that part of the site!!!). I still personally believe the 6 seats offered to a pool of 60+ players was over generous but I don't begrudge the players who got the benefit of the promotion. Hope you run golden in Notts. Posted by IrishRose
In Response to Re: Is this a joke?? Or just a slap in the face?? : Ha, I think we have a winner. Make sure you come & introduce yourself in Nottingham. Posted by Tikay10
This is standard business practice to offer deals to potential new customers. If I got upset at the SKY TV package deals available to new customers, I would be permanently upset and as for DFS sales....... We all have the option of a deal when we join (think I got £10) but deals to new customers don't take anything from me. It just increases the businesses sustainability. I suppose it is human nature to be jealous when someone gets something that we don't but I learnt many years ago that negative emotions only make me feel worse. Posted by Ice_Tiger
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That's such an interesting question, & I'll try & address some of it.
Firstly, multi-accounting, which is peculiar, but in different ways, to both Sky Bet & Sky Poker, is less prevalent than you might think. In poker, it's a very emotive topic, & people get very uppity when they smell a rat, but the incidence of MA is really very small indeed. It does happen, yes, but it's rare, the vast majority of poker players are honest. An odd aside is that often it comes from players who have taken the hump with the site, said "I'm leaving", & then create a new account to return, as they realised they were wrong but don't want to lose face.
Registration procedures, because of the sheer size of SB&G, & the need to streamline systems & be efficient, are identical for all SB&G sites. One size does not always fit all, fair to say, but on balance it needs to be like that.
Now to the heart of your question. The Business can measure the success or failure of "Registration journeys". In case you were not aware, all Gaming Sites suffer a % of would be Clients who start the Registration process, but don't complete it. Even if this number were only 10%, that's a lot of potential lost business.
So the Registration process has to strike a balance between 2 things.
1) Quick & easy, to lessen the failed Registration Journeys.
2) Sufficiently robust to ensure compliance, & no hanky-panky.
It's quite a balancing act to get those 2 in sync.
In reality, MA in poker is less prevalent than most think, though yes, it happens.
As to the comments in this thread, suggesting MA-ers will somehow wangle themselves a free UKPC seat, well I'd say that's going to be extremely difficult for them to achieve, though I'm not going to explain why, obviously.
Interesting question though.
Good luck to them, got to try and entice new players and signups, this is a delicious cherry for them to take a bite of.
Make sure you come & introduce yourself in Nottingham.
So the factors in this equation are "average value per year to SB&G", & "average lifetime value to SB&G", these are in addition annual & lifetime to poker.
When a "first Client Sky Poker" (say, someone who signs up to Sky Poker & then uses other parts of SB&G) then spends money elsewhere on the SB&G sites, Sky Poker derive benefit.
Acquisition & x-sell is a well-developed & very important theme in online gaming, & looking at these Promos in one dimension misses the bigger picture.
Thanks hope to see you there
Still giddy and i sure will
the 7-30 one tonight has 4 entrants so far! I hope they can all attend!
We can look forward to the 20K billionth hand freeroll with />1K? players.