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The WSOP 2016 Thread

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  • edited July 2016
    From the transcript I dont think it counts as intimidation. Its what jamie Gold did back in the day, and its entertaining as hell for the neutral. Ive played with him a few times, and overall, for me he gave his hand away more than once when asked the right questions. This was a few years ago, so i'm sure he's  improved his speech play.

    I hope he makes final table, it could be one of the most watchable ever.

    Tim
  • edited July 2016
    Another 45 minutes nearer the November Nine and it's still good signs for British players. No eliminations, Matthew Moss did need to go all in but got the double up through Qui Nguyen and then took a chunk of Antoine Saout to move all the way up to 4th.

    The three ahead of him are Vornicu, Wong and Michael Ruane who moved up after Kenny Hallaert took a hit.

    All Americans, all earn $116K
    63. Tyler Hancock
    62. Caufman Talley
    61. Cole Jackson
    60. Brian Yoon
    59. Robert Park
    58. Jasthi Kumar

  • edited July 2016
    Middy down

    We've lost one of the British contingent, Tom Middleton who ended up as the 56th placed finisher. He got his chips in good with Jacks against the pocket 10s of Mike Shin, but three spades on the flop and another on the turn gave the American a flush and just like that, Middleton's main event run was over

    57. Gorki Oliviera (BRA)
    56. Tom Middleton (GBR)
    55. Dietrich Fast (AUT)
    54. Adi Abugazal (USA) - first player at the next payout level of $142K

    Jerry Wong has moved in to the chip lead, with Shin using Middy's chips to show in second and Matthew Moss continuing to climb in 3rd. Will Kassouf has been quiet (in more ways than one so far today but has moved back into the Top 5 with Messrs Peterman, L'Honore (apostrophe back!) and Christoforou clusted just inside the top 20. Max Silver is treading water and Sergi Reixach is now short stacked but has doubled up once through Chris Klodnicki.
  • edited July 2016
    Why are we getting updates on this rigged live poker?

    http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/update/1VD4/carl-martel-eliminated-in-10th-place-after-three-way-all-in-35269/

    Guy with the aces is extremely good, defo one of the best around. He had position on me last years day1 of the main event. Never felt so uncomfortable at a poker table. Lovely guy, just far too good for me!
  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    Why are we getting updates on this rigged live poker? http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/update/1VD4/carl-martel-eliminated-in-10th-place-after-three-way-all-in-35269/ Guy with the aces is extremely good, defo one of the best around. He had position on me last years day1 of the main event. Never felt so uncomfortable at a poker table. Lovely guy, just far too good for me!
    Posted by MattBates
    Ha, what an incredible hand.
     
    10-10 v J-J v A-A, Jack on flop for a set, Ace on Turn for a set, Jack on river for quads.

    We should bookmark that link, the next time someone comes on here & says online poker is rigged to produce "action hands".

    I've seen some astonishing hands since I've been here. We even saw a fella folded quads two or three days ago.
     
    Poker does not need to be rigged, or software tweaked to provide "action hands", it manages quite nicely without all that.

  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : You did also say. " I don't have any problem with Will, or his antics, it's just his style, & away from the table he is a kind & gracious man. I dont really think it's right that you can say it's ok in 1 event and not another.
    Posted by MrJoeBlogs
    Think we'll agree to disagree there Joe. It matters to me greatly that recreational players enjoy their poker & don't get bullied, intimidated, or abused, & I've always held that line.
     
    However, when we get to the last 100 or so in the WSOP Main, I actually do think it's different - most of these guys are pros or semi pros, & are playing to the very limit of the rules to give themselves an edge.

    I also remain very strongly of the view that we MUST protect the integrity of the game, & when the TD gives a ruling, we obey it. If I were a TD & a player defied my ruling 3 times, I would - most definitely - disqualify him or her. That may seem harsh, but they'd never defy me again. Luckily for all concerned, my chances of becoming the WSOP TD are even less than my chances of winning a WSOP Bracelet.

    Very interesting debate, this. 

    PS - have replied to your PM.
     
     
     
  • edited July 2016
    So what happed between midnight our time and the forming of the final 27?

    53. Pavil Karakikov
    52. Farhad Jamasi
    51. Jesse Cohen
    50. Tony Gregg
    49. Jan Suchanek
    48, Andrei Konopelko
    47. Matthew Reed

    46. Sergi Reixach. The long-time UK resident from Spain got it in dominated (AJ to Cliff Joseph's AQ) and the flop rubbed it in when a Queen appeared.

    Ladder to $17K

    45. Chris Klodnicki (no bracelets but over $8 million in live earnings)
    44. Chang Luo
    43. Paul Hoefer (2015 bracelet winner)
    42. Mitchell Watson
    41. Ronald Giles
    40. Jason Les (9th cash of the series)


    That took the players up to the dinner break. I'm going to take a small break of my own and the happenings from 39 to 27 will follow shortly.
  • edited July 2016
    Great stuff FCHD. Your WSOP thread is becoming as synonymous with summer as Wimbledon. 

    Really in two minds about Will Kassouf. Proper character and was fun when he came on the show as a guest. Great to see a Brit doing well in the main. And he doesn't seem unpleasant off the table. 

    That being said, I'd feel upset if I was in his opponent's position in that hand. I think there's a line with speech play especially at such an important level and he might have crossed it by ignoring the TD. 

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it's clear as daylight now that he had no hand whatsoever and was desperate to get her to fold. So job done in that respect and hats off to him. I don't think he'll be able to get away with it a second time though with the remaining players!






  • edited July 2016
    On return from the dinner break, 12 of the 39 were going to end up disappointed and 27 players were to move on to Day 7. Plenty of British interest, and some interesting names from the rest of the world as well.

    39. Daniel Retallick in a dramatic hand with Michael Ruane. Ruane had Queens, Retallick had KJ which vaulted to the top after two kings appeared on the flop. His moment of enjoyment was short lived however after the Queen of Hearts broke Retallick's heart by appearing on the turn.

    38. Tony Bracy - fairly straightforward and, his A10 couldn't catch up Mike Shin's AJ when the money went in on an Ace high flop

    37. Jonas Lauck. Lauck got his seat to the Main Event this year for free. How come? He was the bubble boy in last year's ME and as mentioned three days ago or so, the custom is to award the bubble boy a free seat as a consolation. He certainly took advantage to the tune of $172K. His exit hand was a short stacked hand with KJ on a Ace high flop, shame for him that Michael Nivinski had flopped top two pairs.

    There was then a ladder to $216K

    36. Carlton Tartar. He was in for a triple up when short stacked with 7s, but Joshua Weiss's eights held up and it was ta-ta to Tartar.

    35. Alex Keating. All in with AJ, he couldn't win a flip against David L'Honore's pocket nines. Watch out on the ESPN footage when it airs for "beard cam" - Keating has a very bushy beard and the network installed a tiny camera in the beard during one of the breaks to get some unusual angles.

    34. Hari Bercovici. Another player who got short stacked, found a pocket pair (eights) and shoved. He was looked up by Vojtech Ruzicka with K2 and of course a King came on the flop.

    33. Max Silver. Sorry for whoever it was who had a bet on Max making the FT, he came up just a few players short. The important hand wasn't the exit hand (Q8 against John Cynn's KJs, Max went ahead when an Eight came on the flop but Cynn's back door flush draw got there), but a hand a few minutes earlier when he called a Dan Colman shove with nines but unfortunately for him the American had tens and neither improved. This was Silver's 10th cash of the year, but his elimination as removed him from the Player of the Year race.

    32. Lance Keating. A textbook cooler - his Kings came up against Joshua Weiss's Aces and of course all the money went in. Weiss covered Keating by just 100K chips. An Ace on the flop sealed the deal.

    31. Dan Colman. After eliminating Silver, Colman lost a few hands in quick succession the last of which came on a turn shove with top pair, but Fernando Pons also had top pair but with an Ace Kicker. The 2014 Big One for One Drop winner was busted, and at least it spared us all for the awkward moment if he won it and Kara Scott appeared to ask him for an interview.
  • edited July 2016
    An hour or so of no eliminations bust out before the sad news of:

    30. David L'Honore. Preflop play was straightforward but the flop was an action one. The Brit had the nut flush draw and a gutshot, Vojtech Ruzicka had a set of nines. L'Honore missed all his outs on both the turn and the river and he was gone, with Ruzicka adding to his stack which then exceeded 100BB.

    29. Almost simultaneously - Paul Volpe. Again a cooler which he couldn't get off - Queens against Aces. Volpe's four bet shove was snap-called by Thomas Miller. The board ran out K9669 and Volpe was gone. The departure of the winner of Event 15 (over a month ago now) meant that no-one left could now catch Jason Mercier and he was confirmed as 2016 WSOP Player of the year.

    28. Elliot Peterman. After a lull, the last 3 bustouts of the night happened within about 10 minutes. Hertfordshire's Peterman became another victim of Ruzicka when the Czech's AK outflopped Peterman's Pocket Queens by hitting not just one of his two overcards but both of them. No queen, flush or straight appeared to aid Peterman and his ME was over and we were down to the last 3 tables.

  • edited July 2016
    Enough about those who are gone, how about those who are still left in?

    Vojtech Ruzicka busted two Brits late on and has stacked their chips to the point where he enters Day 7 as the chip leader.

    Michael Ruane is second, and in third is two-time bracelet winner Cliff Josephy. James Obst was the runner up in a $10K event earlier in the series and is poised in 4th ahead of Myung Mike Shin.

    Valentin Vornicu, Kenny Hallaert and Tom Marchese are renowned players but don't have a bracelet between them yet, but are all inside the top 10 here ahead of the top Briton

    Matthew Moss sits in 11th place, the Londoner having 15m chips with the other two Brits having about the same amount combined - Andrew Christofou 9m and Will Kassouf 6m.

    Antoine Saout is the only player left who has ever been this close to the ME title before, finishing 3rd the year Joe Cada won the title (also FT'ing the WSOPE the same year)

    Griffin Benger has a top 100 in this before (the next best after Saout)

    Play will resume at 8pm our time with 1hour 24min left of Level 31 (100K/200K, 30K ante) with all the remaining players guaranteed at least $269K
  • edited July 2016
    Used to love watching the Johnnybax (Cliff Josephy) videos when I first started. Super intelligent guy and one of the first online MTT beasts.

    Great to see him having a good run in the WSOP.
  • edited July 2016
    Well, I've got to admit he's won me over in this 6 minute interview.

    GL Will Kassouf.

  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : Think we'll agree to disagree there Joe. It matters to me greatly that recreational players enjoy their poker & don't get bullied, intimidated, or abused, & I've always held that line.   However, when we get to the last 100 or so in the WSOP Main, I actually do think it's different - most of these guys are pros or semi pros, & are playing to the very limit of the rules to give themselves an edge. I also remain very strongly of the view that we MUST protect the integrity of the game, & when the TD gives a ruling, we obey it. If I were a TD & a player defied my ruling 3 times, I would - most definitely - disqualify him or her. That may seem harsh, but they'd never defy me again. Luckily for all concerned, my chances of becoming the WSOP TD are even less than my chances of winning a WSOP Bracelet. Very interesting debate, this.  PS - have replied to your PM.      
    Posted by Tikay10

    +1

    Simply not comparable with a £25 freezeout down your local casino. If someone was doing that then they'd look more than a bit of a muppet. I play the odd £50/£100 in Leeds and it always amuses me how people try to analyse every hand regardless of if they were involved or not. Just looks and sounds a bit silly in what should be a fun, casual comp.

    This deep in a WSOP event, think anything within the rules is fair game, and equally pushing the boundaries is ok to an extent. When the TD wanders over and warns you, thats when you should reign it in. The fact his opponent wasn't a Dan Coleman or a Tom Middleton helps; not sure it would've worked against that calibre of player.
  • edited July 2016
    And of course, meanwhile in other action, the Droplet concluded and the last bracelet of the summer was awarded.

    It went to Swedish player Michael Turniec who overcame a huge chip advantage and also a huge experience gap to beat bracelet winners Calvin Anderson and Ryan D'Angelo into second and third.

    As Sergi Reixach in the main, there was a deep run by a Spaniard resident over here, Lucas Blanco who collected a 6-figure payout for his sixth place.
  • edited July 2016
    Outstanding work again FCHD after watching will kassouf getting interviewed I honestly don't know if he done that much wrong and he made a good case for what he done I wouldn't like it done to me but fair play to him it worked
  • edited July 2016
    For balance it would be good to get an interview with the TD.

  • edited July 2016
    I know Will Kassouf my have polorised opinions, with his antics, but I certainly wish him all the best.

    I think play resumes at 8pm our time. GL Will!
  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : I understand what you're saying here and if thats part of your game fair enough. As a recreational player I was lucky enough to win entry to the 6 max at DTD last year, this was my first time playing live. I really enjoyed the experience and most of the players at my table where friendly and a good time was had by all. If I had had to spend the day sat with this guy in my face the chances of me wanting to play live again would be pretty slim. Both yourself and TK are seasoned players who know the value of recs in the games yet you both seem to be condoning this sort of behaviour which surely is going to put recs off.
    Posted by MrJoeBlogs

    Hi Joe

    I take your point. It's strange because I think and feel it is very important to welcome recreational players to the game, and to be friendly polite and pleasant towards them. I do not like it when players intimidate recreational or new players. I am a big advocate of helping and supporting new/less experienced players as you know. Incidentally if I do ever attempt to intimidate anyone it's usually the guys that are themselves being aggressive or egotistical.

    I do think there is a big difference between the late stages of the WSOP main event and one's local casino. Will Kassouf was trying to get a skill edge through his speech play and this is OK imo as it was heads up.

    At this stage of the WSOP M/E it's psychological warfare and these aspects should be known and expected by seasoned pro's playing at this level. I have always been in favour of welcoming new players and I hope you don't think that I am advocating or condoning agressive behaviour towards recreational or inexperienced players, because I am not. I am very much against this.

    Hope this helps to clarify.

    Cheers,

    Graham

    P.S. I have replied to your PM.

     

  • edited July 2016
    Cards are in the air and the first half hour has seen two exits already.

    27. Christopher Kusha. He played 4 of the first 6 hands with the only one he won being a raise pre-flop to which everyone else folded. Hand 6 was a big loss when he doubled up Jared Leznick. By Hand 7 he was left with less than 1BB but at least he did pick up AK suited, the run out proved cruel however as Will Kassouf's pocket fours made a full house

    26. Philip Postma. He was the short stack coming in and after passing a few hands, he found Pocket Queens and of course went all in UTG+1. He wasn't to know that James Obst in the small blind had aces. Obst unnecessarily improved to the as the board ran out and Postma's first class run ended in a trip to the cage to pick up $269430.

  • edited July 2016
    First break of the day, and still just the two eliminations.

    We've had three leaders so far, Vojtech Ruzicka started the day as top man on the totem, Cliff Josephy vaulted to top, but then he lost a huge pot to Michael Ruane leaving Ruane with a large chip lead, with Kenny Hallaert second and Josephy third.

    Andrew Christoforou and Matthew Moss like next to each other in 15th & 16th with just over 10m each (Ruane has 39m) while Will Kassouf is still among the lower stacks (22nd place with 6.1m)

    The new level will be 120K/240K with a 40K ante.
  • edited July 2016

    ^^^^

    Looks like a long day in prospect, Barny. My understanding was that they planned to get down to 9 today.
  • edited July 2016
    Yes, they will reach the November 9 today. It usually is a long, long day.

    Anyway, we're two closer in one fell swoop

    25. Antoine Saout
    24. Adam Krach

    A double elimination at the hands of Hong Kong's Kakwan Lau. The three players all had pocket pairs, Lau the aces, Saout sevens and Krach Queens. The flop came 988, with Saout making a full house on the turn when an eight came, but a few seconds later an ace on the river saw Lau scoop the lot. Saout's run at being the second person to make the November Nine twice came to an end.


    Will Kassouf has leapt to be top Brit after a hand where he had the clock called on him
  • edited July 2016
    Would that have been a 7 on the turn? Otherwise they all housed up and the A was irrelevant.
  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
     I do think there is a big difference between the late stages of the WSOP main event and one's local casino.
    Posted by StayOrGo
    HI Graham,

    As a rec who doesn't play live I'm intrigued by this statement. I don't see why there should be a difference.Surely the rules are the same?
    As an example, last weekend here in Troon I watched the OPEN golf where the rules/etiquette is the same for amateurs & professionals.  
    P
     

  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    Would that have been a 7 on the turn? Otherwise they all housed up and the A was irrelevant.
    Posted by Phantom66

    Yes, sorry it was a 7 on the turn. An Ace would still have given Lau a better house on the river.
  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : HI Graham, As a rec who doesn't play live I'm intrigued by this statement. I don't see why there should be a difference.Surely the rules are the same? As an example, last weekend here in Troon I watched the OPEN golf where the rules/etiquette is the same for amateurs & professionals.   P  
    Posted by Glenelg

    I think if you did the whole speech play stuff like he does in a £25 local comp, you'd look a tool.

    When it's the final 100 of the WSOP main and with thousands, potentially millions, on the line, you might still look a tool but if it can gain an edge over what is gonna be a strong remaining field then its more acceptable/understandable.

    It's like comparing the rules of crazy golf to the Open and saying they should be on a par (no pun intended)
  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : HI Graham, As a rec who doesn't play live I'm intrigued by this statement. I don't see why there should be a difference.Surely the rules are the same? As an example, last weekend here in Troon I watched the OPEN golf where the rules/etiquette is the same for amateurs & professionals.   P  
    Posted by Glenelg

    Hi Glenelg, I think this is slightly different to the golf comparison that you make, for the following reasons:

    1) It's not against the rules as such, so is more a question of ettiquette as you correctly suggest.
    2) I consider it to be bad etiquette to make newcomers and recreational players feel uncomfortable, but not against the rules.
    3) I believe that when speech is used in a skilful way, that is not offensive, but maybe applies "pressure" on your opponent, this is totally valid heads up and allowable. However, I think if you do this in a £5 rebuy against a newcomer to live poker, it's just unkind, but in the WSOP against a seasoned pro, acceptable.

    Just a few of my thoughts. I'm not saying I'm right btw, it's just that is how I personally feel about it.

    Cheers,

    G
  • edited July 2016
    He was among the chip leaders for a long time, but couldn't get anything going on Day 7

    22. Valentin Vornicu. He 3-bet all in for 4m chips with A9 but was looked up by Jared Bleznick with A10. The board came out JJ48 to give Vornicu a flush draw but a brick 7 on the river saw the end of Vornicu.

    The trend for the Brits has been the same as the last hour or so, Kassouf chipping up, Matthew Moss losing a few and Andrew Christoforou treading water, he's barely been mentioned so far.
  • edited July 2016
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread:
    In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : Hi Glenelg, I think this is slightly different to the golf comparison that you make, for the following reasons: 1) It's not against the rules as such, so is more a question of ettiquette as you correctly suggest. 2) I consider it to be bad etiquette to make newcomers and recreational players feel uncomfortable, but not against the rules. 3) I believe that when speech is used in a skilful way, that is not offensive, but maybe applies "pressure" on your opponent, this is totally valid heads up and allowable. However, I think if you do this in a £5 rebuy against a newcomer to live poker, it's just unkind, but in the WSOP against a seasoned pro, acceptable. Just a few of my thoughts. I'm not saying I'm right btw, it's just that is how I personally feel about it. Cheers, G
    Posted by StayOrGo
    1. By "rules" i presume you mean the original talking, as opposed to deliberately disobeying the TD
    2. It was not a "seasoned pro"-apart from 1 big score (in 2005!) she was a novice-$2,500 in the last 6 years.
    3. He made a woman cry, by tactics that shame every decent civilised human being
    4. Just like people copy bad behaviour they see in televised football, people will be more likely to continue to ruin the live game by trash talking endlessly

    I'm not saying I'm right. I am saying I couldn't live with myself if I had acted like that
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