Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced

Tikay10

Full details for the very last 2017 Viva Las Vegas Promotion have been announced HERE

It has been structured in such a way that ANY player, no matter how big or small he or she plays, has a chance to win it.

You have a week, starting from 00.01 on Monday, to try to qualify for the Freeroll.

The Freeroll carries a £4,000 Viva Las Vegas package for the winner, and, in addition, a £3,000 cash prize pool. The cash prizes start with 2nd place (winner "only" gets the £4,000 package). 

If you have already won a £4,000 Viva Las Vegas package, you cannot win another.
 
Please note, Viva Las Vegas packages are NOT transferable.
 
Good luck.    

 

Nuggy962

Great idea !

Good luck all!

unknown_username

arghhhhhhhh great promo but falls on my week when i cant play poker (that could be any week) due to 85h work shift.

HAYSIE

In Response to Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:

Full details for the very last 2017 Viva Las Vegas Promotion have been announced HERE It has been structured in such a way that ANY player, no matter how big or small he or she plays, has a chance to win it. You have a week, starting from 00.01 on Monday, to try to qualify for the Freeroll. The Freeroll carries a £4,000 Viva Las Vegas package for the winner, and, in addition, a £3,000 cash prize pool. The cash prizes start with 2nd place (winner "only" gets the £4,000 package).  If you have already won a £4,000 Viva Las Vegas package, you cannot win another.   Please note, Viva Las Vegas packages are NOT transferable.   Good luck.      
Posted by Tikay10

I am not sure that I understand the qualification properly.

Are you saying that the more points you got in May effectively increases your qualifying target.

If you got 4,000 (1,000 per week)points in May you would need 2,000 in a week to qualify.

If you rarely play on Sky, and got no points in May, you would just need 50 points to qualify.

If the intention was to reward the regular players that are the lifeblood of the site, then this promotion would seem to be accomplishing the opposite. 

HAYSIE

In Response to Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:

Full details for the very last 2017 Viva Las Vegas Promotion have been announced HERE It has been structured in such a way that ANY player, no matter how big or small he or she plays, has a chance to win it. You have a week, starting from 00.01 on Monday, to try to qualify for the Freeroll. The Freeroll carries a £4,000 Viva Las Vegas package for the winner, and, in addition, a £3,000 cash prize pool. The cash prizes start with 2nd place (winner "only" gets the £4,000 package).  If you have already won a £4,000 Viva Las Vegas package, you cannot win another.   Please note, Viva Las Vegas packages are NOT transferable.   Good luck.      
Posted by Tikay10

I just looked at my points for May which were 6,145. This is flat out for me and represents entering around £1,550 worth of tournaments every week.

My target is therefore 2,000 points.

I cant get 2,000 points in a week.

QUICKFEET

Haysie, I believe the objective was to give everyone a chance rather than reward the regulars.
Don't forget, it's only entry to a freeroll that's up for grabs so some who earns 50 points would still need plenty of skill/luck to win the package.
If it attracts people who rarely play here than that can only be a good thing for us all so my question would be how is this going to be promoted beyond SkyPoker?

Tikay10

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In Response to Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : I am not sure that I understand the qualification properly. Are you saying that the more points you got in May effectively increases your qualifying target. If you got 4,000 (1,000 per week)points in May you would need 2,000 in a week to qualify. If you rarely play on Sky, and got no points in May, you would just need 50 points to qualify. If the intention was to reward the regular players that are the lifeblood of the site, then this promotion would seem to be accomplishing the opposite. 
Posted by HAYSIE

Yes - the more points you earned in May, the more you would need to qualify.
 
The intention was to give everyone a chance at qualifying. 

Close to 50 Viva Las Vegas 2017 packages have been awarded already, via direct buy-ins, Freerolls, satellites, Promos & all manner of different routes to try & give everyone a chance to get to Vegas. I'm not sure Sky Poker could have been fairer than they have, but of course it is impossible to please everyone.  

HAYSIE

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Haysie, I believe the objective was to give everyone a chance rather than reward the regulars. Don't forget, it's only entry to a freeroll that's up for grabs so some who earns 50 points would still need plenty of skill/luck to win the package. If it attracts people who rarely play here than that can only be a good thing for us all so my question would be how is this going to be promoted beyond SkyPoker?
Posted by QUICKFEET

1 No skill or luck required, to get 50 points in a week requires entering just over £7 worth of games per day.

2 Some serious players are required to get double their normal points to gain entry.

3 Not sure that attracting players to come and play a freeroll before disappearing serves any purpose.

4 I am all for giving everyone a chance but this format seems to penalise regular players.

Phantom66

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In Response to Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : I just looked at my points for May which were 6,145. This is flat out for me and represents entering around £1,550 worth of tournaments every week. My target is therefore 2,000 points. I cant get 2,000 points in a week.
Posted by HAYSIE

I think the intention is to get anyone who wants to go for the freeroll the option to earn a seat by upping their volume.

Yes it is probably skewed in favour of the smaller players qualifying but then sky also put on other promotions at times that only the top 1% of the grinders have any chance of qualifying for. It's a question of balance and the overall amount of promotions and the impact they have on the player base as a whole that matters. Every indivudual promotion is seen by some as great and others as not for them.

If you feel it is impossible to up volume from 1500 to 2000 points for one week then that is up to you.

For me I have hardly been playing lately, so I only need 100 points. I expect I will give it a go so it worked on me.

I hope for sky poker and the sake of this promotion it does get more people playing more than they would have otherwise.

That has to be a good thing for all of us.

And if someone comes back to sky from a rival, or starts playing again after a break and binks the package then good luck to them.

aussie09

remember that it isn't a reward, it is an incentive.

thank you to sky poker. 

QUICKFEET

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In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : 1 No skill or luck required, to get 50 points in a week requires entering just over £7 worth of games per day. 2 Some serious players are required to get double their normal points to gain entry. 3 Not sure that attracting players to come and play a freeroll before disappearing serves any purpose. 4 I am all for giving everyone a chance but this format seems to penalise regular players.
Posted by HAYSIE

50 points only gets you into the freeroll, you then need skill/luck to win the freeroll to get the package

HAYSIE

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In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Yes - the more points you earned in May, the more you would need to qualify.   The intention was to give everyone a chance at qualifying.  Close to 50 Viva Las Vegas 2017 packages have been awarded already, via direct buy-ins, Freerolls, satellites, Promos & all manner of different routes to try & give everyone a chance to get to Vegas. I'm not sure Sky Poker could have been fairer than they have, but of course it is impossible to please everyone.  
Posted by Tikay10

Firstly I cant see that in many cases doubling the number of points that were acheived in May in order to qualify, equating to the intention to give everyone a chance at qualifying. The fact is that this format will make qualifying very difficult for many players, and impossible for some. I am not even sure that on this basis you can even call it a "Freeroll". Essexphil may be able to answer that.

If you take those players that got 4,000 points in May as an example. These players would be spending £1,000 per week on Skypoker. £50,000 per year. To get entry to this "Freeroll" you want them to spend an extra £1,000 on the qualifying week. If you think that is fair then you and I live on different planets.

The further you go up the table, the more unfair it becomes.

I wasnt criticising Sky on the Vegas promotion, just on the format of this freeroll. I am not sure if Sky could have been fairer with the rest of it either, but I am not sure you can justify every criticism with the response that Sky has been fair in the past either.

To say that you cant please everybody is purely a deflection meant to make the crticism seem unwarranted.

In my own case I was flat out in  May, and played many Vegas sats which I will not be playing this month and would threrfore expect my points to drop substantially. I will therefore be unable to qualify, and am sure that many players will be in the same boat.

HAYSIE

In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:

In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : I think the intention is to get anyone who wants to go for the freeroll the option to earn a seat by upping their volume. Yes it is probably skewed in favour of the smaller players qualifying but then sky also put on other promotions at times that only the top 1% of the grinders have any chance of qualifying for. It's a question of balance and the overall amount of promotions and the impact they have on the player base as a whole that matters. Every indivudual promotion is seen by some as great and others as not for them. If you feel it is impossible to up volume from 1500 to 2000 points for one week then that is up to you. For me I have hardly been playing lately, so I only need 100 points. I expect I will give it a go so it worked on me. I hope for sky poker and the sake of this promotion it does get more people playing more than they would have otherwise. That has to be a good thing for all of us. And if someone comes back to sky from a rival, or starts playing again after a break and binks the package then good luck to them.
Posted by Phantom66

I am all for fairness, but I dont think that this has been very well thought out. It could have been to increase your points by say 10% across the board.

At the top end you have to increase your spend by £1,500 in the week to get entry to a freeroll.

HAYSIE

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remember that it isn't a reward, it is an incentive. thank you to sky poker. 
Posted by aussie09

It is a "Freeroll"

HAYSIE

In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:

In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Yes - the more points you earned in May, the more you would need to qualify.   The intention was to give everyone a chance at qualifying.  Close to 50 Viva Las Vegas 2017 packages have been awarded already, via direct buy-ins, Freerolls, satellites, Promos & all manner of different routes to try & give everyone a chance to get to Vegas. I'm not sure Sky Poker could have been fairer than they have, but of course it is impossible to please everyone.  
Posted by Tikay10

In fact if you looked upon this as the buy in to a tournament. What you are saying is that some players buy in by spending £50  on the site, others have to spend £4,000 in the week, to gain entry to the same "Freeroll"

That seems pretty fair.

Jac35

Haysie 

I thought I was capable of moaning but next to you I'm a mere amateur 

The only times that you appear on the forum are when you have a complaint, which appears to be quite frequent.

I imagine that Sky must get quite frustrated with you and others grumbling about this kind of thing. They're giving a £4000 Vegas package away.

One might think that this thread would be full of people saying thanks.

There have been all manner of freerolls and promotions for people to get their Vegas package. This one appears to be weighted slightly in the favour of smaller bankroll/volume players. Good.

You say it isn't fair. I'm sure a lot of the smaller players would love to play in the high buy in mtts that you normally participate in. There are many reasons why this isn't possible for most players. Many of the Vegas packages have been beyond the reach of the smaller players. This one gives them a great chance.

It doesn't work for me. I'm on holiday next week.

Maybe I should start a thread saying this isn't fair on me?

HAYSIE

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Haysie  I thought I was capable of moaning but next to you I'm a mere amateur  The only times that you appear on the forum are when you have a complaint, which appears to be quite frequent. I imagine that Sky must get quite frustrated with you and others grumbling about this kind of thing. They're giving a £4000 Vegas package away. One might think that this thread would be full of people saying thanks. There have been all manner of freerolls and promotions for people to get their Vegas package. This one appears to be weighted slightly in the favour of smaller bankroll/volume players. Good. You say it isn't fair. I'm sure a lot of the smaller players would love to play in the high buy in mtts that you normally participate in. There are many reasons why this isn't possible for most players. Many of the Vegas packages have been beyond the reach of the smaller players. This one gives them a great chance. It doesn't work for me. I'm on holiday next week. Maybe I should start a thread saying this isn't fair on me?
Posted by Jac35

Jac

You are entitled to start any thread you want, as am I. Although I am sure that if you started one about the unfairness of you being unable to play a freeroll due to a holiday would seem pathetic to most players.

What I have said about this promotion is that I dont feel it has been very well thought out. This is an opinion am I entitled to and entitled to express.

I realise that Sky may wish to cover the cost of the package in this way, but on this occasion they have overdone it. I will be unable to meet this target, and I am sure many players will feel they are in the same boat. I will therefore be making no effort to meet it.

I think that a much smaller increase in the targets may have benefitted everyone, with more players contributing to the cost of the package.

Perhaps the forum should have a subheading set aside for moaning and you could then avoid reading it, and moaning about the content.

Also I think that the huge increases in the targets are meant to cover the freerol costs rather than it being a giveaway. Why else would there be any targets at all?

Dollie

What is a promotion? Simple it is a marketing tool. Most businesses have a marketing budget, the purpose of which is to generate increased revenue. Looking specifically at this Last Vegas promotion, which is costing £7,000, it is no different. My points total in May exceeded 1100, where my normal month is perhaps 800, say 200 per week. If I choose to try and qualify for the freeroll I will need to get 500 points during the appropriate week. That is an increase of 300 points on my “usual” level. Assuming I do then Sky income will increase by about £30 and some other “regulars” may do the same and they will also contribute to increased income for Sky. Additionally, as a result of the Vegas qualification, the site will have attracted many newbies during May and seeing another opportunity to qualify they may also have another go. Many of the newbies will by then be used to the site and will stay and thus will also contribute to increased income for Sky. Whilst Sky are not likely to generate enough of an increase to cover the £7,000 cost in the week, they will I suggest get the increase over time. So the promotion would more than pay for itself by the ongoing increased revenue, and justify itself as part of the business marketing budget.

Let’s treat it for what it is, we can take it or leave, as players it is our choice, To complain it is unfair is, in my opinion, not justified.

NoseyBonk

FFS!

HAYSIE

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What is a promotion? Simple it is a marketing tool. Most businesses have a marketing budget, the purpose of which is to generate increased revenue. Looking specifically at this Last Vegas promotion, which is costing £7,000, it is no different. My points total in May exceeded 1100, where my normal month is perhaps 800, say 200 per week. If I choose to try and qualify for the freeroll I will need to get 500 points during the appropriate week. That is an increase of 300 points on my “usual” level. Assuming I do then Sky income will increase by about £30 and some other “regulars” may do the same and they will also contribute to increased income for Sky. Additionally, as a result of the Vegas qualification, the site will have attracted many newbies during May and seeing another opportunity to qualify they may also have another go. Many of the newbies will by then be used to the site and will stay and thus will also contribute to increased income for Sky. Whilst Sky are not likely to generate enough of an increase to cover the £7,000 cost in the week, they will I suggest get the increase over time. So the promotion would more than pay for itself by the ongoing increased revenue, and justify itself as part of the business marketing budget. Let’s treat it for what it is, we can take it or leave, as players it is our choice, To complain it is unfair is, in my opinion, not justified.
Posted by Dollie

The priority players have to spend an extra £1,500 on this week, on top of the £2,500 that they are already spending. This will give Sky an extra £150 income per head. Therefore they just need 47 priority players to hit their target to cover the £7,000 in full. I dont think there is any doubt that they will cover the prize pool, but I think it could have been done by taking a smaller contribution off more players.

Complaining at the very least creates debate, sometimes even improvements, as we dont live in North Korea, China or Russia, a little bit is probably ok.

goldnballz

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In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Yes - the more points you earned in May, the more you would need to qualify.   The intention was to give everyone a chance at qualifying.  Close to 50 Viva Las Vegas 2017 packages have been awarded already, via direct buy-ins, Freerolls, satellites, Promos & all manner of different routes to try & give everyone a chance to get to Vegas. I'm not sure Sky Poker could have been fairer than they have, but of course it is impossible to please HAYSIE.  
Posted by Tikay10

Fyp

IH8UButler

Can see your frustration but think you are looking at it from the wrong angle, all these promos are run primarily to benefit the site and sky as a business rather than for players. Sky need to bring new players in and to get existing players playing more, this promo will tick both boxes. 

HAYSIE

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Can see your frustration but think you are looking at it from the wrong angle, all these promos are run primarily to benefit the site and sky as a business rather than for players. Sky need to bring new players in and to get existing players playing more, this promo will tick both boxes. 
Posted by IH8UButler

Not if the targets are too high. More reasonable targets would benefit everyone.

SR23

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In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Jac You are entitled to start any thread you want, as am I. Although I am sure that if you started one about the unfairness of you being unable to play a freeroll due to a holiday would seem pathetic to most players. What I have said about this promotion is that I dont feel it has been very well thought out. This is an opinion am I entitled to and entitled to express. I realise that Sky may wish to cover the cost of the package in this way, but on this occasion they have overdone it. I will be unable to meet this target, and I am sure many players will feel they are in the same boat. I will therefore be making no effort to meet it. I think that a much smaller increase in the targets may have benefitted everyone, with more players contributing to the cost of the package. Perhaps the forum should have a subheading set aside for moaning and you could then avoid reading it, and moaning about the content. Also I think that the huge increases in the targets are meant to cover the freerol costs rather than it being a giveaway. Why else would there be any targets at all?
Posted by HAYSIE

I would subscribe to this thread in an instant. 

unknown_username

Last month I achieved 1009 points which is 252.2 a week . So 100%  increase should bag entry. 

I feel for people like Phantom who earned 0 points . 100% of zero is still zero , but he plods along optimistically.

  

Total Points Earned in May	Points Target
0	50
1-249	100
250-499	150
500-749	200
750-999	250
1,000-1,999	500
2,000-3,999	1,000
4,000-6,999	2,000
7,000-9,999	3,000
10,000+	4,000

HAYSIE

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Last month I achieved 1009 points which is 252.2 a week . So 100%  increase should bag entry.  I feel for people like Phantom who earned 0 points . 100% of zero is still zero , but he plods along optimistically.    Total Points Earned in May Points Target 0 50 1-249 100 250-499 150 500-749 200 750-999 250 1,000-1,999 500 2,000-3,999 1,000 4,000-6,999 2,000 7,000-9,999 3,000 10,000+ 4,000
Posted by mumsie

Its also got anomalies like someone who got 2000 points has to get double to qualify, yet somone who got 3,999 needs no real increase. One got double the points of the other last month, and they get exactly the same target.

MAXALLY

Will there be any all in sats for this?

HAYSIE

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Will there be any all in sats for this?
Posted by MAXALLY

Only guaranteed bounty hunter sats.

aussie09

haysie, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?




 

Nuggy962

Haysie come on

Sometimes you have some valid poimts but this one is off the mark. You made you point jist drop it. Is not needed. Is a great promo, may nkt suit all but gives everyone a shot. You may think is impossible for you but that is untrue. You could do it if put in extra volume, but you are not willing to do so so is not skin of your nose.

Crazy to get so upset.

Hope newbies wanting to give this a go are not put off by this.

I am on holiday and cant go for it. Never mind! Is def a fair way - is an incentive to increase by 25% if at lower end of bracket. Jist play double one week tjen none next if is better?

Seriously..... good time to drop this and stop spoiling for the main bulk. Have a private PM with someone 

CxE1

This is an interesting one. From the suits/accountants perspective this is cost neutral and revenue enhancing with increased flows of customers and capital.A perfect no brainer. On the poker happiness scale, i suspect it may offend the core business customers which pay the bills. Those who returned for the may promos wont be persuaded to stay longer for this promo. Those who avidly supported during may will feel the most agrieved. No reward for loyalty and endeavour.Many other sites will be offering Vegas promos and this particular group may decide there is better value elsewhere.

Measuring success/failure will also be incredibly difficult as it can be measured in so many different ways from different perspectives/objectives.

I am neither criticising or endorsing this promo, just a point of view.