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Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced

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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited June 2017
    Great promo.

    For some reason I can't take part in it, I was excluded ages from receiving freebets from SkyBet because of taking too much value, now after the promo code not working live chat have told me that's extended to me not being able to take part in poker promos either. Pretty disappointing from Sky but meh good promo for those that can take part.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    haysie, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?  
    Posted by aussie09
    Its the five minute. I am nearly out of it. I wont be playing it. Sky do some really good things but this isnt one of them. It is very poorly thought out, and I am sure the end result will be affected. It definitely wont be the full half hour because I am not sure if I care anymore.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    Haysie come on Sometimes you have some valid poimts but this one is off the mark. You made you point jist drop it. Is not needed. Is a great promo, may nkt suit all but gives everyone a shot. You may think is impossible for you but that is untrue. You could do it if put in extra volume, but you are not willing to do so so is not skin of your nose. Crazy to get so upset. Hope newbies wanting to give this a go are not put off by this. I am on holiday and cant go for it. Never mind! Is def a fair way - is an incentive to increase by 25% if at lower end of bracket. Jist play double one week tjen none next if is better? Seriously..... good time to drop this and stop spoiling for the main bulk. Have a private PM with someone 
    Posted by Nuggy962
    You could do the on holiday moaning thread with Jac.

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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    This is an interesting one. From the suits/accountants perspective this is cost neutral and revenue enhancing with increased flows of customers and capital.A perfect no brainer. On the poker happiness scale, i suspect it may offend the core business customers which pay the bills. Those who returned for the may promos wont be persuaded to stay longer for this promo. Those who avidly supported during may will feel the most agrieved. No reward for loyalty and endeavour.Many other sites will be offering Vegas promos and this particular group may decide there is better value elsewhere. Measuring success/failure will also be incredibly difficult as it can be measured in so many different ways from different perspectives/objectives. I am neither criticising or endorsing this promo, just a point of view.
    Posted by CxE1
    Surely the reward is increased RB and presumably Prio promos. It's been a long time since I was Prio so I dunno what they are but presumably there is still the 2 Prio freerolls, no doubt they will be giving away free SPT seats for rake races or something.

    I'd be amazed if this freeroll doesnt get 1000 runners, so even if you can't get in for some reason, you're talking about losing something like a £7 MTT token. So there's lots of value for being loyal/playing loads, least of which is a freeroll worth about £7
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Its the five minute. I am nearly out of it. I wont be playing it. Sky do some really good things but this isnt one of them. It is very poorly thought out, and I am sure the end result will be affected. It definitely wont be the full half hour because I am not sure if I care anymore.
    Posted by HAYSIE
    O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.
     
    M: That was never five minutes just now!!
     
    O: I'm afraid it was.
     
    M: (leading on) No it wasn't.....
     
    O: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.
     
    M: WHAT??
     
    O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
     
    M: But that was never five minutes just now!
    Oh Come on!
    Oh this is...
    This is ridiculous!
     
    O: I told you... I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!
     
    M: Oh all right. (takes out his wallet and pays again.) There you are.
     
    O: Thank you.
     
    M: (clears throat) Well...
     
    O: Well WHAT?
     
    M: That was never five minutes just now.
     
    O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
     
    M: Well I just paid!
     
    O: No you didn't!
     
    M: I DID!!!
     
    O: YOU didn't!
     
    M: I DID!!!
     
    O: YOU didn't!
     
    M: I DID!!!
     
    O: YOU didn't!
     
    M: I DID!!!
     
    O: YOU didn't!
     
    M: I don't want to argue about it!
     
    O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!
     
    M: Ah hah! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH! Gotcha!
     
    O: No you haven't!
     
    M: Yes I have! If you're arguing, I must have paid.
     
    O: Not necessarily. I *could* be arguing in my spare time.
     
    M: I've had enough of this!
     
    O: No you haven't. 



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  • MP33MP33
    edited June 2017
    Can,t say this is my favourite promo but i do like the way Sky is mixing them up. They,ve had a lot of stick in the past for favouring high stakes players but recent promos do seem a lot fairer

    It will certainly attract new players which benefits everyone. Whether they stick around or not - Who knows

    GL everyone
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : come on now.... O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.   M: That was never five minutes just now!!   O: I'm afraid it was.   M: (leading on) No it wasn't.....   O: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.   M: WHAT??   O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.   M: But that was never five minutes just now! Oh Come on! Oh this is... This is ridiculous!   O: I told you... I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!   M: Oh all right. (takes out his wallet and pays again.) There you are.   O: Thank you.   M: (clears throat) Well...   O: Well WHAT?   M: That was never five minutes just now.   O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!   M: Well I just paid!   O: No you didn't!   M: I DID!!!   O: YOU didn't!   M: I DID!!!   O: YOU didn't!   M: I DID!!!   O: YOU didn't!   M: I DID!!!   O: YOU didn't!   M: I don't want to argue about it!   O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!   M: Ah hah! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH! Gotcha!   O: No you haven't!   M: Yes I have! If you're arguing, I must have paid.   O: Not necessarily. I *could* be arguing in my spare time.   M: I've had enough of this!   O: No you haven't.  
    Posted by aussie09

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    This is an interesting one. From the suits/accountants perspective this is cost neutral and revenue enhancing with increased flows of customers and capital.A perfect no brainer. On the poker happiness scale, i suspect it may offend the core business customers which pay the bills. Those who returned for the may promos wont be persuaded to stay longer for this promo. Those who avidly supported during may will feel the most agrieved. No reward for loyalty and endeavour.Many other sites will be offering Vegas promos and this particular group may decide there is better value elsewhere. Measuring success/failure will also be incredibly difficult as it can be measured in so many different ways from different perspectives/objectives. I am neither criticising or endorsing this promo, just a point of view.
    Posted by CxE1
    I am just about finished with this now.
    This is a very well written post particularly if you dont wish to be accused of moaning.
    However dont you think that the points targets could have been better thought out and therefore fairer.
    Someone who got around 3,900 points last month has to get 1,000 points, which is what they are already getting. Someone who got 2,000 points is in the same bracket so they also have to get 1,000 points which is double what they are currently getting. Ten points more on your 3,900 points and youre in the next bracket and you will need 2,000 and youre back to double again.
    Not very easy to explain to a man from Mars.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    Great promo. For some reason I can't take part in it, I was excluded ages from receiving freebets from SkyBet because of taking too much value, now after the promo code not working live chat have told me that's extended to me not being able to take part in poker promos either. Pretty disappointing from Sky but meh good promo for those that can take part.
    Posted by Lambert180

    That explains why I cannot opt in. Suppose it has saved me time on live chat.

    So we cannot take part in Poker promotions, what has this to do with SKY bet?

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  • SnufferSnuffer
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    Great promo. For some reason I can't take part in it, I was excluded ages from receiving freebets from SkyBet because of taking too much value, now after the promo code not working live chat have told me that's extended to me not being able to take part in poker promos either. Pretty disappointing from Sky but meh good promo for those that can take part.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Me too, so your not alone.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : That explains why I cannot opt in. Suppose it has saved me time on live chat. So we cannot take part in Poker promotions, what has this to do with SKY bet?
    Posted by Boxster
    That's what I've been told, and it won't let me click the opt in button or manually enter the code.

    When I got excluded from getting freebets, I was told it was purely to do with SkyBet. Not sure how it is or should be related to SkyPoker at all.
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  • markycashmarkycash
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Me too, so your not alone.
    Posted by Snuffer
    Really surprised that you 3 (and others I presume) are excluded. I don't know the thinking behind it but on the surface at least it seems super harsh to excluded long time members of Sky Poker from the poker promotions. Hope you can all get this fixed.
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  • SnufferSnuffer
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Really surprised that you 3 (and others I presume) are excluded. I don't know the thinking behind it but on the surface at least it seems super harsh to excluded long time members of Sky Poker from the poker promotions. Hope you can all get this fixed.
    Posted by markycash
    Had my sky bet/casino/vegas account restricted about 15 months ago (for same reasons as Lambert) but was always able to enter poker promotions up to today.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : That's what I've been told, and it won't let me click the opt in button or manually enter the code. When I got excluded from getting freebets, I was told it was purely to do with SkyBet. Not sure how it is or should be related to SkyPoker at all.
    Posted by Lambert180

    I remember getting a free £10 bet from SkyBet, I stuck it on celtic to win something and I think that triggered a  free £5.50 tournie token. I used the tournie token and Later Celtics match was called off. 

    I posted this in a thread somewhere and someone pointed out It could be seen as promotion abuse and I could be excluded from all promotions. ( This isnt exacly what happened, but its near enough)

    I never  do any free bets now , I would hate to be excluded for getting good value.   
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  • IrishRoseIrishRose
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    Can see your frustration but think you are looking at it from the wrong angle, all these promos are run primarily to benefit the site and sky as a business rather than for players. Sky need to bring new players in and to get existing players playing more, this promo will tick both boxes. 
    Posted by IH8UButler
    I'm about to join Haysie in the moaning department (well I can't let him sit on the naughty step all by himself).

    I earned over 5000 points last month - mainly due to playing most of the Vegas sats, the Vegas qtr finals, Semi finals and the Vegas £4k Final - didn't win a package obviously but got lots of points for the games that I played.  As I was on the site playing these anyway I also loaded up multiple other sats for entry to the evenings main events, 9pm £55 game and the 10.30pm £55 game.  So you could say I played a LOT last month.

    However this month there are no expensive Vegas games to aim for - just the normal 8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm games.  Obviously there are lots of other games running but these are the games I seem to like - and also mainly the satellite games as they don't run too long.  I don't have the patience to play proper poker games that go on for hours on end but I enjoy the games that I do play.

    Due to the fact that I played most nights from 7pm til midnight I managed to hit excess of 5000 points - in a month.  But to qualify for entry to the freeroll I now need to earn 2000 points in one week.  As a tournament player this probably isn't achieveable for me personally.  I work full time - sometimes 6 days per week if the workload is high.  I don't play cash poker at all (as I'd like to hang on to the house lol) and haven't played dyms games much as I'm not used to the dynamic of them.  So to earn 2000 points as a tournament player I'll prob have to resort to fallback points booster - i.e. russian roulettes.

    I will probably still try for it as I'm weakwilled and would love to go to Vegas.  But with such a high points target to hit in the week I won't be enjoying the games I play - and when the week is over I'll prob want to hibernate away from Sky poker and maybe take up knitting instead.....  

    (My son on the other hand thinks this promo is great as he only has to get 150 points next week - maybe he can bring his white haired old mother as his plus one if he wins lol)
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Really surprised that you 3 (and others I presume) are excluded. I don't know the thinking behind it but on the surface at least it seems super harsh to excluded long time members of Sky Poker from the poker promotions. Hope you can all get this fixed.
    Posted by markycash
    Just had it confirmed on live chat, I cannot enter ANY sky poker promotions in the future. WOW
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  • SnufferSnuffer
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Just had it confirmed on live chat, I cannot enter ANY sky poker promotions in the future. WOW
    Posted by Boxster
    Would be good if someone from sky could clarify on this please, rewards being removed as well now?
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  • IrishRoseIrishRose
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Just had it confirmed on live chat, I cannot enter ANY sky poker promotions in the future. WOW
    Posted by Boxster
    OK - I retract my moan and groan - your issue is much much worse than mine!   That's dreadful - really is - so you can happily punt off money playing poker - but you're not allowed to take part in any poker promotions?  Where is the logic in that?

    Really feel for you all affected :(
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  • Sky_MarkSky_Mark
    edited June 2017
    Hi all,

    Apologies if you have been told false information - this is not the case.

    The offer was set-up slightly incorrect that excluded any customer that has a freebet exclusion.

    Please try again, this should now allow you to opt-in.

    Can you let me know it this does the trick?

    Mark
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    Hi all, Apologies if you have been told false information - this is not the case. The offer was set-up slightly incorrect that excluded any customer that has a freebet exclusion. Please try again, this should now allow you to opt-in. Mark
    Posted by Sky_Mark
    Nice one Mark, I thought that might be the case.

    I've been able to opt in fine now btw
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  • markycashmarkycash
    edited June 2017
    Nice to see this sorted!
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  • Sky_MarkSky_Mark
    edited June 2017
    Superb.

    Apologies again for the mistaken information.

    Mark
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  • SnufferSnuffer
    edited June 2017
    In now, Ty Mark.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    Hi all, Apologies if you have been told false information - this is not the case. The offer was set-up slightly incorrect that excluded any customer that has a freebet exclusion. Please try again, this should now allow you to opt-in. Can you let me know it this does the trick? Mark
    Posted by Sky_Mark

    Yes all ok now :) thanks

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  • Nuggy962Nuggy962
    edited June 2017
    Massive wp sky Mark!

    Positives of the forum
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  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : I'm about to join Haysie in the moaning department (well I can't let him sit on the naughty step all by himself). I earned over 5000 points last month - mainly due to playing most of the Vegas sats, the Vegas qtr finals, Semi finals and the Vegas £4k Final - didn't win a package obviously but got lots of points for the games that I played.  As I was on the site playing these anyway I also loaded up multiple other sats for entry to the evenings main events, 9pm £55 game and the 10.30pm £55 game.  So you could say I played a LOT last month. However this month there are no expensive Vegas games to aim for - just the normal 8pm, 9pm and 10.30pm games.  Obviously there are lots of other games running but these are the games I seem to like - and also mainly the satellite games as they don't run too long.  I don't have the patience to play proper poker games that go on for hours on end but I enjoy the games that I do play. Due to the fact that I played most nights from 7pm til midnight I managed to hit excess of 5000 points - in a month.  But to qualify for entry to the freeroll I now need to earn 2000 points in one week.  As a tournament player this probably isn't achieveable for me personally.  I work full time - sometimes 6 days per week if the workload is high.  I don't play cash poker at all (as I'd like to hang on to the house lol) and haven't played dyms games much as I'm not used to the dynamic of them.  So to earn 2000 points as a tournament player I'll prob have to resort to fallback points booster - i.e. russian roulettes.
     I will probably still try for it as I'm weakwilled and would love to go to Vegas.  But with such a high points target to hit in the week I won't be enjoying the games I play - and when the week is over I'll prob want to hibernate away from Sky poker and maybe take up knitting instead.....   (My son on the other hand thinks this promo is great as he only has to get 150 points next week - maybe he can bring his white haired old mother as his plus one if he wins lol)
    Posted by IrishRose

    Roseeee... you know how much we all love you (and SKY Poker too), but to be honest I can't see the point of putting yourself thru' all that heartache just to qualify for a FREEROLL..... and even then, only 1 person can win the package. Yes it's a great prize, and there is a further £3000 to be played for too, but it's quite obvious this freeroll is targeted at people who didn't play too much during May. I'm sure you will be 'advising' your son how best to qualify.
    Now that the Vegas sat's and Finals have finished, I haven't earned 1 single point this week, as I don't enjoy Bounty Hunters, and due to having a bit of success during May, having made it into a few Finals, that unless the SPT satellite's start next week, or I miracously qualify for the Sunday Roller or something,  then I have no chance of reaching my target of 200points for the week. 
    To be honest with the amount of points you need to earn Roseeee, just to get into a Freeroll for 1 single package, it could be cheaper to not play at all, and put the entry fees towards flights and accomodation and Vegas entry fees instead...... 

    Or there is the other option of looking elsewhere. I have certainly received e-mails and texts from other sites offering more attractive options for winning Vegas seats......

    but SKY Poker wouldn't want you to do that........  

    Would they?

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced : Roseeee... you know how much we all love you (and SKY Poker too), but to be honest I can't see the point of putting yourself thru' all that heartache just to qualify for a FREEROLL..... and even then, only 1 person can win the package. Yes it's a great prize, and there is a further £3000 to be played for too, but it's quite obvious this freeroll is targeted at people who didn't play too much during May. I'm sure you will be 'advising' your son how best to qualify. Now that the Vegas sat's and Finals have finished, I haven't earned 1 single point this week, as I don't enjoy Bounty Hunters, and due to having a bit of success during May, having made it into a few Finals, that unless the SPT satellite's start next week, or I miracously qualify for the Sunday Roller or something,  then I have no chance of reaching my target of 200points for the week.  To be honest with the amount of points you need to earn Roseeee, just to get into a Freeroll for 1 single package, it could be cheaper to not play at all, and put the entry fees towards flights and accomodation and Vegas entry fees instead......  Or there is the other option of looking elsewhere. I have certainly received e-mails and texts from other sites offering more attractive options for winning Vegas seats...... but SKY Poker wouldn't want you to do that........   Would they?
    Posted by MISTY4ME
    Maybe it  would have been better to charge a nominal entry fee to cover the costs. At least that would have been a bit more above board.
    Alternatively we could get all the players on the site to get 40,000 points in a week and have a £1,000,000 freeroll.
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  • TommyDTommyD
    edited June 2017
    In spite of myself I will enter this interesting debate (I was determined to let this fizzle out due to it's unreal circular nature but hey, I'm here now).

    For those not satisfied with the Last Vegas Promo, so mainly Haysie but others too, please take the wider view of all of the VLV promos as a whole.

    The Mayhem FR promo which gave out multiple seats catered to everyone but particularly people who could play every single night.  The main Satty tree favoured MTT players of all BRs.  The cash & STT promos favoured top end grinders and larger bankrolls.  There were Freerolls into all of the finals & Semi finals which favoured people with lower bankrolls who could only play a few of the days.

    Now yes the Last Vegas promo does favour the occasion player/dormant account section, but there has been something which favours pretty much every group.  And Haysie, you were in at least two of the groups I have stated above.  Yes the fact this is the last one and if this promo doesn't favour you after grinding last month it can feel sucky, but everyone has had a fair crack of the whip promowide.

    There are only so many packages to go round and many more people want one than get one.  2015 I suffered every beat int he world and didn't win a package.  I wished everyone good luck and took it on the chin.  2016 I stone bubbled a package promo and a second chance Freeroll.  I took it on the chin and managed to win the last available package in the Mayhem admittedly much through luck than judgement.  This year I went for one of the rake race promos and missed out due to what some have told me was exploiting a grey area (for the record here, I have never sad a bad word about the players and what they did, I've been told by some people it was a grey area/questionable.  I have no problem with them at all, I do have a problem with Sky deciding to allow something they did not previously allow in those promos and will be raising that next year if as I hope these promos run again).  So having put in the grind and being frankly heartbroken & frazzled on day 7 of the promo, did I post on the forum complaining and planning legal representation?  Nope, I rolled up my sleeves, went at the satty structure and got a package that way.

    This isn't mean to be a brag post in any way.  This is my way of saying that when luck closes a door, come in through the window.  There are several sites still doing Vegas packages.  No one is entitled to a package.  No one ever said poker was fair.  Find another way in and if you can't, dust yourself off and go again the next time around.

    I feel that all of the promos as a whole have been splendid, that they cater for everyone when you look at all of the deals as a whole.  I'm sorry for those of you who really wanted on and was not lucky enough this time around and wish you all the very best of luck for the next one.
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  • SR23SR23
    edited June 2017

    Outstanding post, not only for "When luck closes the door, come in through the window." 

    wpwp
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Viva LasT Vegas - full details announced:
    In spite of myself I will enter this interesting debate (I was determined to let this fizzle out due to it's unreal circular nature but hey, I'm here now). For those not satisfied with the Last Vegas Promo, so mainly Haysie but others too, please take the wider view of all of the VLV promos as a whole. The Mayhem FR promo which gave out multiple seats catered to everyone but particularly people who could play every single night.  The main Satty tree favoured MTT players of all BRs.  The cash & STT promos favoured top end grinders and larger bankrolls.  There were Freerolls into all of the finals & Semi finals which favoured people with lower bankrolls who could only play a few of the days. Now yes the Last Vegas promo does favour the occasion player/dormant account section, but there has been something which favours pretty much every group.  And Haysie, you were in at least two of the groups I have stated above.  Yes the fact this is the last one and if this promo doesn't favour you after grinding last month it can feel sucky, but everyone has had a fair crack of the whip promowide. There are only so many packages to go round and many more people want one than get one.  2015 I suffered every beat int he world and didn't win a package.  I wished everyone good luck and took it on the chin.  2016 I stone bubbled a package promo and a second chance Freeroll.  I took it on the chin and managed to win the last available package in the Mayhem admittedly much through luck than judgement.  This year I went for one of the rake race promos and missed out due to what some have told me was exploiting a grey area (for the record here, I have never sad a bad word about the players and what they did, I've been told by some people it was a grey area/questionable.  I have no problem with them at all, I do have a problem with Sky deciding to allow something they did not previously allow in those promos and will be raising that next year if as I hope these promos run again).  So having put in the grind and being frankly heartbroken & frazzled on day 7 of the promo, did I post on the forum complaining and planning legal representation?  Nope, I rolled up my sleeves, went at the satty structure and got a package that way. This isn't mean to be a brag post in any way.  This is my way of saying that when luck closes a door, come in through the window.  There are several sites still doing Vegas packages.  No one is entitled to a package.  No one ever said poker was fair.  Find another way in and if you can't, dust yourself off and go again the next time around. I feel that all of the promos as a owhole have been splendid, that they cater for everyone when you look at all of the deals as a whole.  I'm sorry for those of you who really wanted on and was not lucky enough this time around and wish you all the very best of luck for the next one.
    Posted by TommyD
    I  have to respectfully disagree with you.
    In making my comments I was purely referring to this promotion. I think many players got excited about a last chance to win a Vegas package. It was hyped for a bit before anyone knew the details. When the details were published I am certain it was disappointing for many players. My criticism was never about me not winning a package, and being a bad loser. It was purely about the blatantly unfair entry targets.
    I have been playing the sats over the last couple of months, and have failed to win a package. This is my fault and I am happy to take it on the chin. In the last two months I have got in the region of 8,000 extra points through playing the sats and the UKOPS etc. Many players will also be in this boat.
    Had Sky said that they wanted to bias this promo to a group of players which didnt include me, then I would have been fine about it. They didnt say that, Tikay said that the intention was to give everyone a chance of qualifying. I have the utmost regard for Tikay, as a person, for the job he does, and all the stuff he has to put up with. However I am not sure he is well supported on occasion.
    I think the Vegas promotion went well on the whole, but if I had won a seat it would have been down to spending lots of time and money, rather than through Sky giving me something. However I do appreciate the opportunity. I have never been out to get all I could off Sky. I never play any freerolls, other than those that relate to Vegas.
    So back to the promotion.
    I think it is absolutely the worst thought out promotion I have seen Sky do.
    Firstly it is being called a freeroll when it is clearly not. All players are being asked to spend between £50 and £1500 extra in one week to gain entry. How on earth can this be described as a freeroll. All players are being asked to achieve an increased points target. This increased target doesnt take account of the fact that many players have recently increased their points, because of the reasons set out above. During February and march I got around 3,000 points per month, but my target is 2,000 for the week due to my increased play in May. It is not possible for me to hit this target without incurring such losses as to make it uneconomical.
    Not only that, some players are only being asked to match their usual points score, and in other cases 10 points will increase your target by 1,000 points.
    If I has put this together I would be extremely embarassed.
    Whoever this promotion is aimed at it sucks.
    The blatantly obvious priority for this promotion without a doubt is the recovery of the 7k it is costing.
    Much better in my view to have charged a nominal fee.
    I have said in an earlier post that I think Sky have done some really good things, but this is certainly not one of them.
    To treat this as a stand alone promotion is fair I think, and no different from the complaints that you will be bringing up next year, despite the Vegas promotion as a whole going quite well.
    I am not a bad loser, and take my losses on the chin.
    If there was no debate, nothing would ever change. I wont be playing the freeroll and thats fine.
    The funny thing is that there are a group of players that will not under any circumstances say anything bad about Sky, They will be sitting about saying I am really happy to spend an extra £1500 in the promo week to get entry to the freeroll. In fact thats a bit cheap I will spend an extra £2,000.
    I am going to bed now, I am a very slow typist and this has taken ages.


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