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Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?

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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    I still play them from time to time to fill some table space. The way they are raked the same price as every other game is silly. For a good reg the maximum roi you can expect longterm from these games is between 3% and 5%.   They used to be a lot more popular a few years ago now not so much when a lot of regs quit when they probobly wernt making enough money from them realising there roi was capped playing them and the other players were losing after rake. Only way to get the lobbys full again is to lower the rake.  Keeping it the way it is doesnt make any sense for both sky to get the lobbys full again and to make it worthwhile for players to play them.
    Posted by bearlyther
    Really?
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    yes
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Is probably why the thread was called silly when you make comparisons like that. They are nothing alike whatsoever.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr

    When you're forced at times to play large blinds in blind against opponents...nothing like RR games...?

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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    I still play them from time to time to fill some table space. The way they are raked the same price as every other game is silly. For a good reg the maximum roi you can expect longterm from these games is between 3% and 5%.   They used to be a lot more popular a few years ago now not so much when a lot of regs quit when they probobly wernt making enough money from them realising there roi was capped playing them and the other players were losing after rake. Only way to get the lobbys full again is to lower the rake.  Keeping it the way it is doesnt make any sense for both sky to get the lobbys full again and to make it worthwhile for players to play them.
    Posted by bearlyther

    Thanks, good post.

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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : And what about people who play DYMs first before dipping their toes in the sats waters? They will have learnt nothing either? No transferable skills/situations?
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    yes they may have learnt to play sat's i wish them the best of luck in the proper torn they sat into tho with DYM strategy. as ive said DYM bore me so i dont play them. there a few that do play them that are much better players than there stats are showing and would be much better off playing normal stt but they can take a age to start atm completely upto them of course. 

    OP just struggles to get his point accross, not a silly thread imo just a few silly comments.
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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    yes
    Posted by bearlyther
    Conor 
    Why don't you check before posting?
    You're wrong and it's not difficult to do some quick research
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    Im not wrong pretty common knowledge thats what you can achieve from these games long term.  I cant be bothered to go and check a load of players stats if you would like to do that and let us know the results feel free.


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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    Would have thought pretty difficult to know exactly what some may or may not be making purely from DYMs....unless you had your own tracker on them, and just for those specific games alone.

    But the low payouts and luck/variance elements are surely the big limiters on larger returns I would have thought.
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    https://www.sharkscope.com/#Leaderboards//2017/Double-or-Nothing-and-Fifty50/Any%20Stakes?rankingstatistic=Profit

    Dont see many rois above 5% here from the biggest winners and 2 of them are from sky. 
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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited July 2017
    So you could be bothered Conor! :)
    You used this year only? and all sites? and included 50 50s to back up your claim?

    You said that the max roi for a good reg is capped at 5%
    That's just wrong. For instance I'm probably classed as a good reg and my roi is over 7% from a 15k sample. So it seems hardly capped at 5% if I can just use my own stats to disprove that straightaway 

    "A few years ago a lot of regs quit after realising their roi was capped?"
    Who?

    I think you should be wary of stating your opinions as facts.

    I have only really recently noticed a decline in dym numbers. I would like the rake to be reduced of course but I don't think that will happen. 
    It's the summer so it's difficult to know for sure if dyms are dying on here.
    I think they desperately need a promo. Numbers are always fantastic during dym promotions and some of the players might stick around after it's finished.

    I think Sky made a huge mistake when they retracted on the triple points last year.
    I certainly lowered my volume after that

    Maybe if they added breaks then someone of your daunting ability may play more dyms eh Conor? ;)

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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    3 to 5% long term is pretty standard surprised you didnt know that considering youve played so many games? How many regs do you know with an roi higher than that? Did you not get how i mentioned longterm aswell? So youve won an extra 2% over 15k games whoop de doo.

    I also seen that you edited your last post stating that i didnt know what i was talking about. I know a lot more about it than you seem to do thats for sure . Hope to see you on the tables soon good luck.



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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    3 to 5% long term is pretty standard surprised you didnt know that considering youve played so many games? How many regs do you know with an roi higher than that? Did you not get how i mentioned longterm aswell? So youve won an extra 2% over 15k games whoop de doo. I also seen that you edited your last post stating that i didnt know what i was talking about. I know a lot more about it than you seem to do thats for sure . Hope to see you on the tables soon good luck.
    Posted by bearlyther
    I wouldn't question you about online mtts.
    You know more than me about them.

    Your ignorance about dyms makes this conversation pointless 
    Gl at the tables 
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited July 2017
    youmad makes a decent profit at low stake dyms
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017

    I'm really sad to see so much vitriol directed at those who choose to play DYM's. (Which I should add, for balance, includes me).  

    We enjoy playing DYM's for a whole bunch of reasons, but I don't feel inclined to have to justify what format I play. I would just add that personally I enjoy the low variance, as I don't enjoy the pain of high variance. Why is that a problem to anyone else?

    Can't make money at DYM's? Do me a favour. I did a bankroll challenge which was well documented on this Forum, & multiplied my £200 starting 'roll by 20, & have not deposited a penny for 4 years.  And - don't tell a soul, it's a secret - I enjoy them, & I'm not in the least ashamed to say so.
     
    I don't like Heads Up at all, nor do I like regular STT's, MTT's, or anything else to be honest. But I won't come on here & insult those who do, or suggest their preferred formats make no sense. If that's what they enjoy, good luck to them. 

    Just because we don't like something does not mean it's bad or we should come on here & insult those who do.

    Relax guys, we are all here to have fun, we are amateur or recreational poker players. Or most of us are. 

    Whatever you play, enjoy, & good luck to you.        
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    I'm really sad to see so much vitriol directed at those who choose to play DYM's. (Which I should add, for balance, includes me).   We enjoy playing DYM's for a whole bunch of reasons, but I don't feel inclined to have to justify what format I play. I would just add that personally I enjoy the low variance, as I don't enjoy the pain of high variance. Why is that a problem to anyone else?   I don't like Heads Up at all, nor do I like regular STT's, MTT's, or anything else to be honest. But I won't come on here & insult those who do, or suggest their preferred formats make no sense. If that's what they enjoy, good luck to them.  Just because we don't like something does not mean it's bad or we should come on here & insult those who do. Relax guys, we are all here to have fun, we are amateur or recreational poker players. Or most of us are.  Whatever you play, enjoy, & good luck to you.     
    Posted by Tikay10
    Dont understand this post at all. Dont see were anyone has asked someone to justify what games they play or were has anyone stated that there preferred formats made no sense?
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    I'm really sad to see so much vitriol directed at those who choose to play DYM's.   
    Posted by Tikay10

    There isn't any vitriol, merely people asking and discussing the nature (and reasons for playing) of these, so this post is confusing? What did you mean?

    I do find DYMs to have negative features however, as obviously some others see too (the game not the players please note!). We've already been over these though so no need to 'rake' over those again ;)

    But, I would hope its acceptable to discuss playing formats on here and reasons for choices either way. Like I say, I still do play these sometimes, but only when there's nothing else around, so I'm happy to be convinced of their merits if there are good reasons.

    Stu.


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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : There isn't any vitriol, merely people asking and discussing the nature (and reasons for playing) of these, so this post is confusing? What did you mean? I do find DYMs to have negative features however, as obviously some others see too (the game not the players please note!). We've already been over these though so no need to 'rake' over those again ;) But, I would hope its acceptable to discuss playing formats on here and reasons for choices either way. Like I say, I still do play these sometimes, but only when there's nothing else around, so I'm happy to be convinced of their merits if there are good reasons. Stu.
    Posted by swanstu
    "luckbox rounds", & "one step up from RR's" is warm & complimentary? ;)

    I'd also suggest that the late stages of Turbo MTT's are "pretty fast" but I don't think I'd suggest those who do well in them are luckboxes. (Except Mattbates, obv).

    I've never played - that I can recall - standard STT's. Do you never get games in those where the shortie keeps surviving, & it ends up with blinds very large relative to stacks?

    Either way, if you enjoy them, good luck to you. Genuinely.
     
    As for me, the answer to the thread title is quite simple - I like to enjoy my poker, have some craic & banter with the other players, & maybe make a small profit along the way. In short, I play them as I think the key factor is enjoying my poker. And I do.
     
    I played them every single night until I fell ill earlier this year, & I miss them - & the players - immensely.

    I hope you enjoy your poker as much as I do. We all like different things though, & that's just fine.  

    Tony.
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : "luckbox rounds", & "one step up from RR's" is warm & complimentary? ;) I'd also suggest that the late stages of Turbo MTT's are "pretty fast" but I don't think I'd suggest those who do well in them are luckboxes. (Except Mattbates, obv). I've never played - that I can recall - standard STT's. Do you never get games in those where the shortie keeps surviving, & it ends up with blinds very large relative to stacks? Either way, if you enjoy them, good luck to you. Genuinely.   As for me, the answer to the thread title is quite simple - I like to enjoy my poker, have some craic & banter with the other players, & maybe make a small profit along the way. In short, I play them as I think the key factor is enjoying my poker. And I do.   I played them every single night until I fell ill earlier this year, & I miss them - & the players - immensely. I hope you enjoy your poker as much as I do. We all like different things though, & that's just fine.   Tony.
    Posted by Tikay10

    Fair enough - but there was not any vitriol against players/posters, rather the game itself. That should be clear enough reading back over this discussion.

    Ironically I posted exactly because they are more popular than the other STTs, so I know people chose these games, but wanted to know why, and whether it's a good choice. I can see some views supporting them and some against, so I think that it's a good discussion.

    All the best, Stu. 

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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Fair enough - but there was not any vitriol against players/posters, rather the game itself. That should be clear enough reading back over this discussion. Ironically I posted exactly because they are more popular than the other STTs, so I know people chose these games, but wanted to know why, and whether it's a good choice. I can see some views supporting them and some against, so I think that it's a good discussion. All the best, Stu. 
    Posted by swanstu
    Well by implication, that's the same thing.

    Anyway, as you probably know, I try not to fall out with folks, so let's move on.

    All the very best to you too Stu.

    You coming to SPT Manchester? If so, I'll buy you a drink.
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : I wouldn't question you about online mtts. You know more than me about them. Your ignorance about dyms makes this conversation pointless  Gl at the tables 
    Posted by Jac35
    No your ignorance makes it pointless
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : I have no idea who's correct here, but a 15k sample is not long-term in the proper definition of the term relating to sample sizes. I know playing 15000 games of DYMs may feel long term for you as a human, but it's certainly not considered a long-term sample - I suppose this the problem of using such terms as long-term, more appropriate would be "large sample" where large is clearly defined. 
    Posted by percival09
    Also known as Hhy.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017

    I somehow managed to quote a non-existent post.

    Neat work that.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Also known as Hhy.
    Posted by Tikay10

    People also call me boring and compare me to RRs.
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  • YouMadYouMad
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    youmad makes a decent profit at low stake dyms
    Posted by MrWh1te
    Absolute fish
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    youmad makes a decent profit at low stake dyms
    Posted by MrWh1te

    As do you? Paying for a wedding with DYMs aren't you?
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    This is a very silly thread  
    Posted by Jac35
    correct
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : As do you? Paying for a wedding with DYMs aren't you?
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Through poker/sports betting.

    All going well, wedding is in 3 weeks in Jamaica :)
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    3 to 5% long term is pretty standard surprised you didnt know that considering youve played so many games? How many regs do you know with an roi higher than that? Did you not get how i mentioned longterm aswell? So youve won an extra 2% over 15k games whoop de doo. I also seen that you edited your last post stating that i didnt know what i was talking about. I know a lot more about it than you seem to do thats for sure . Hope to see you on the tables soon good luck.
    Posted by bearlyther
    2% increase in roi over that kind of sample is fairly significant. 

    Assuming £10 stakes, it's the difference between roughly £8k and £11k profit. So 7% roi player has around a 40% higher return in profit.

    I would tend to agree though that roi's for winning dym players does trend around the 3-5% mark but certainly not the rule.


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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Well by implication, that's the same thing. Anyway, as you probably know, I try not to fall out with folks, so let's move on. All the very best to you too Stu. You coming to SPT Manchester? If so, I'll buy you a drink.
    Posted by Tikay10

    Thanks Tikay, sadly I'm not a live player so won't be there, but appreciated.

    Not my intention to fall out with anyone either (hope that's clear enough in my postings) but I do feel these are valuable discussions for this Poker forum and it's players.

    Cheers, Stu.

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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    Interestingly, I still haven't yet heard a very strong reason (IMHO) for why they are so much more popular than all of the other STTs available.

    The speed issue is interesting, as if that was purely the main issue then couldn't the 6-maxes be speeded up in comparison? I was wondering why there were no 'turboed' STTs for the normal 6-maxes?
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