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Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?

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  • goldnballzgoldnballz
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    Interestingly, I still haven't yet heard a very strong reason (IMHO) for why they are so much more popular than all of the other STTs available. The speed issue is interesting, as if that was purely the main issue then couldn't the 6-maxes be speeded up in comparison? I was wondering why there were no 'turboed' STTs for the normal 6-maxes?
    Posted by swanstu

    There are 'speed' 6 max sng's, but they are completely hidden/lost in the lobby. They used to be with the normal games under the regular tab, but for some strange reason they are no longer.

    There are also 6 max hypers in the lobby, with only 5% rake.

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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : There are 'speed' 6 max sng's, but they are completely hidden/lost in the lobby. They used to be with the normal games under the regular tab, but for some strange reason they are no longer. There are also 6 max hypers in the lobby, with only 5% rake.
    Posted by goldnballz

    LOL, thanks golden, I hadn't even noticed them! 

    I always use the 'regular' games tab and they're not shown there, they only show if you list 'all games' which seems crazy. Do these seats fill up given that?



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  • goldnballzgoldnballz
    edited July 2017
    Not as much as they used to!
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  • bbMikebbMike
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    Interestingly, I still haven't yet heard a very strong reason (IMHO) for why they are so much more popular than all of the other STTs available. The speed issue is interesting, as if that was purely the main issue then couldn't the 6-maxes be speeded up in comparison? I was wondering why there were no 'turboed' STTs for the normal 6-maxes?
    Posted by swanstu
    Why is that interesting?  You don't need a reason - you don't like them, other people do - it's not up to anyone to convince you. It's a different format of the game and that's it.  Probably more interesting to consider why so many people like playing card games versus the myriad other things they could be doing with their evenings and weekends.

    You can find edges (if that's important to you) in these games because a lot of players don't understand them either over-playing early or thinking because blinds are large towards the end it's just a game of luck.  You don't have to win the game to maximise your return, so it also means you can play more tables at once without compromising as much as you might with STTs - this is good for those who like to accumulate points for rakeback.

    What do you mean in the OP that it's possible to be up against more than one set of players - not sure I get that?
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Why is that interesting?  You don't need a reason - you don't like them, other people do - it's not up to anyone to convince you. 
    Posted by bbMike
    I find it interesting, up to you if you don't. I didn't necessarily ask anyone to convince me they were a great format, but wondered why so many select it over others. All the other formats have good features/edges. Personally I think more.
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    Sets of players in DYMs is fairly obvious isn't it, as any 'group' of your opponents can all win together - less a factor in other formats of STT.
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  • bbMikebbMike
    edited July 2017
    You were insinuating that there are no valid reasons for the popularity, but they are popular so something must be hitting the right note. You've been offered a few reasons why a player may prefer to play a DYM, you may not agree with these and that's fine.

    However you're now talking about 'groups' of players. If this is as I read it to be, then collusion is relatively easy to spot in these formats and players have been reported and action taken in the past. Maybe this isn't what you meant.

    Of course, if the lobbies of one format are filling faster than another, that also acts as an attraction for someone looking for a quick SnG.
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    Yeh, I can see in some respects it's a self-fulfilling cycle and that's part of the explanation I'm sure. More people in seats leading to more of these games.
    In terms of the collusion issue, I know it's often dealt with well here, however it's just something I'd prefer not to have to consider in my own games.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Why is that interesting?  You don't need a reason - you don't like them, other people do - it's not up to anyone to convince you. It's a different format of the game and that's it.  Probably more interesting to consider why so many people like playing card games versus the myriad other things they could be doing with their evenings and weekends. You can find edges (if that's important to you) in these games because a lot of players don't understand them either over-playing early or thinking because blinds are large towards the end it's just a game of luck.  You don't have to win the game to maximise your return, so it also means you can play more tables at once without compromising as much as you might with STTs - this is good for those who like to accumulate points for rakeback. What do you mean in the OP that it's possible to be up against more than one set of players - not sure I get that?
    Posted by bbMike

    This is an excellent post.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Why is that interesting?  You don't need a reason - you don't like them, other people do - it's not up to anyone to convince you. It's a different format of the game and that's it.  Probably more interesting to consider why so many people like playing card games versus the myriad other things they could be doing with their evenings and weekends. You can find edges (if that's important to you) in these games because a lot of players don't understand them either over-playing early or thinking because blinds are large towards the end it's just a game of luck.  You don't have to win the game to maximise your return, so it also means you can play more tables at once without compromising as much as you might with STTs - this is good for those who like to accumulate points for rakeback. What do you mean in the OP that it's possible to be up against more than one set of players - not sure I get that?
    Posted by bbMike

    Do sky still run the post of the year ?

    I nominate this post admins please.

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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar
    edited July 2017
    The reason was answered in the first three words of the first reply on the thread......"much lower varaiance"

    Further to that it is an easier format to learn from a technique point of view, I believe, because "just survive" is easier to learn than "must win" even though there are many subtle nuances to the format many fail to pick up/adjust to.
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    Does no-one else on this thread remember playing numerous DYMs when it becomes the invitable 'pass the random parcel' of huge (mandatory) blinds, and end up shoved out due to these rounds? I'm amazed players don't prefer using their skill to try to win bigger prizes in other STTs personally rather than (nearly) doubling a stake in a randomish 3rd place bubble match. But as said before it's each to their own, and there are obviously many who love these games and wish to defend their honour here instead. Fair enough.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    Does no-one else on this thread remember playing numerous DYMs when it becomes the invitable 'pass the random parcel' of huge (mandatory) blinds, and end up shoved out due to these rounds? I'm amazed players don't prefer using their skill to try to win bigger prizes in other STTs personally rather than (nearly) doubling a stake in a randomish 3rd place bubble match. But as said before it's each to their own, and there are obviously many who love these games and wish to defend their honour here instead. Fair enough.
    Posted by swanstu

    Just give it a rest.

    I don't even play DYMs (or hardly ever) but I can see and understand why people do, and it's not hard to grasp why either. Unless you're a bit stupid, of course.

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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Just give it a rest. I don't even play DYMs (or hardly ever) but I can see and understand why people do, and it's not hard to grasp why either. Unless you're a bit stupid, of course.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr

    Sorry, but I have not used insulting terms against any posters here, but you have. Tikay earlier mentioned not liking 'vitriol' in postings, so I suggest he reads yours above.

    Funnily, the other main posters who said they didn't like DYMs also recieved personal comments (like above). 

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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    I don't need to be told to 'give it a rest' - for a start that is my choice not yours, and secondly I already did if you read my last comment 'fair enough' - try reading before posting.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Sorry, but I have not used insulting terms against any posters here, but you have. Tikay earlier mentioned not liking 'vitriol' in postings, so I suggest he reads yours above. Funnily, the other main posters who said they didn't like DYMs also recieved personal comments (like above). 
    Posted by swanstu

    No worries, I accept your apology.
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar
    edited July 2017
    Stt's and mtt's can both also reach the same stage of incredibly big blinds and there is also skill required at that stage of knowing what to call and shove (and when not to). Furthmore it can be exciting at that stage when you dont know if the next hand will be your last or someone else's.
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : No worries, I accept your apology.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr

    Much as you'll get ;)

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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : I find it interesting, up to you if you don't. I didn't necessarily ask anyone to convince me they were a great format, but wondered why so many select it over others. All the other formats have good features/edges. Personally I think more.
    Posted by swanstu
    You were doing so well until that last sentence.....

    ;)
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : You were doing so well until that last sentence..... ;)
    Posted by Tikay10

    Tikay, I'd like you to comment on the personal comments addressed to myself and some others earlier who said they didn't like DYMs on this thread (bearlythere I think was also personally insulted if you look back). 

    You said you didn't like that approach in postings a little while back, so I would appreciate some comment...



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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Tikay, I'd like you to comment on the personal comments addressed to myself and some others earlier who said they didn't like DYMs on this thread (bearlythere I think was also personally insulted if you look back).  You said you didn't like that approach in postings a little while back, so I would appreciate some comment...
    Posted by swanstu
    +1 no wonder the forum is dead these days. Doesnt offend me in the least when there only making a fool of themselves but can understand why others would feel insulted.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Tikay, I'd like you to comment on the personal comments addressed to myself and some others earlier who said they didn't like DYMs on this thread (bearlythere I think was also personally insulted if you look back).  You said you didn't like that approach in postings a little while back, so I would appreciate some comment...
    Posted by swanstu
    To be honest, Stu, your style of posting invites some retaliation, you have repeatedly demeaned, directly or by implication, those of us who enjoy DYM's. Why is that necessary?And we have answered, many of us, repeatedly, me included, why we enjoy them. I'm sure it is not intentional, but it does not come across well, if I may say so. Just my personal opinion, obv.

    "Luckbox rounds

    Seems like one step up from the worst of all, the Russian Roulette games

    Much more skill in either six-max or HUs games 

    Good comparison to the silly RRs IMO,

    Personally I think more"



    Do you really think DYM players, of whom there are a great deal here quietly enjoying themselves, are going to be so damned with faint praise & not respond vigorously?

    Was it REALLY necessary to suggest they resemble RR's so closely? Seems pretty provocative to me, to be honest, but maybe - & I say so in the spirit of reconciliation - I am reading it wrong.

    Anyway, I love poker to bits, I love playing it, it does not cost me a penny, & I'll continue to play DYM's when my health permits. And I definitely wont make demeaning comments about those who choose to play other formats.
     
    Enjoy the rest of your weekend, Stu. Now, I've got an Update from Las Vegas to manage, so I am gonna move on.   
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2017
    i get called stupid most days i really do , stupid harry and stupid jac call me stupid regulary the stupid idiots if only they knew me ;) its just words on a screen let it go over your head and dunna worry about it.
    stupid stoke
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : +1 no wonder the forum is dead these days. Doesnt offend me in the least when there only making a fool of themselves but can understand why others would feel insulted.
    Posted by bearlyther
    Was quite happy to finish with this debate personally up till mister 'call people stupid' stuck an oar in, despite admitting he had nothing to do with these games! Others said similar comments earlier, but apparantly using descriptions of games as being too luckbox is not nice forum etiquette....    :-|
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  • swanstuswanstu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : To be honest, Stu, your style of posting invites some retaliation, you have repeatedly demeaned, directly or by implication, those of us who enjoy DYM's. Why is that necessary?And we have answered, many of us, repeatedly, me included, why we enjoy them. I'm sure it is not intentional, but it does not come across well, if I may say so. Just my personal opinion, obv. "Luckbox rounds Seems like one step up from the worst of all, the Russian Roulette games Much more skill in either six-max or HUs games  Good comparison to the silly RRs IMO, Personally I think more" Do you really think DYM players, of whom there are a great deal here quietly enjoying themselves, are going to be so damned with faint praise & not respond vigorously? Was it REALLY necessary to suggest they resemble RR's so closely? Seems pretty provocative to me, to be honest, but maybe - & I say so in the spirit of reconciliation - I am reading it wrong. Anyway, I love poker to bits, I love playing it, it does not cost me a penny, & I'll continue to play DYM's when my health permits. And I definitely wont make demeaning comments about those who choose to play other formats.   Enjoy the rest of your weekend, Stu. Now, I've got an Update from Las Vegas to manage, so I am gonna move on.   
    Posted by Tikay10

    Anyway seems this debate has run it's course - like trying to make people vote a specific way, neither side will convince the other side, so probably best left as it is now.

    All the best love to all players, including the DYMs which I may still sometimes play (when there's nothing else)...
    Stu.

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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    In Response to Re: Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs? : Anyway seems this debate has run it's course - like trying to make people vote a specific way, neither side will convince the other side, so probably best left as it is now. All the best love to all players, including the DYMs which I may still sometimes play (when there's nothing else)... Stu.
    Posted by swanstu
    Likewise, gl Stu.
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  • helan1981helan1981
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Why are DYMs so popular compared to other sngs?:
    The rake is bad, possible you're against more than one set of players, and you only make a small profit if you win. But, they are way more popular than all the other sngs....???
    Posted by swanstu
    Eaiser for them to cheat and collude copy of the chat on my dym tonight p.s i was registered for the £11 game that is in chat i will probably get banned for this but seriously why would people want to play on here when this is what happens then they just fold everyhand v each other all the time maybe thats why they.re so popular really is inviting for players new or old to see in chat people asking they're buddies to join games that you are registered in really makes you think that it will be a fair game init?

    eon1961: ger i recomend the £11 game
     gerardirl: wil see who is seated mate  22:30
     gerardirl: doubt it will fill mate
     helan1981: now your partner is on holiday 22:33
    gerardirl: did u hear something? 22:34
    eon1961: ? gerardirl: didnt think so
     gerardirl: carry on gerardirl: :) 22:36
     helan1981: great reply girlie just shows how **** the games are on here when u invite mates to join 22:37
     gerardirl: ur welcome to join anytime helan
    gerardirl: i always encourage people to play plo8 MrTedduk: lol gerardirl: if u think we are colluding report it MrTedduk: if only gerardirl: im more interested in generating more traffic in these 22:38 gerardirl: asis eon helan1981: why invite someone to join a table?
    eon1961: so it fills
    gerardirl: because eon has encouraged me to step up to £5 table
     MrTedduk: ffs helan
     helan1981: big jump to 11
    gerardirl: and he is hoping I will move to £11 to increase traffic on those stakes 22:39
    helan1981: can i phone a mate for help see if he plays same game
    gerardirl: pls do
    gerardirl: the more the merrier

    gerardirl: i always encourage people to play plo8
    MrTedduk: lol
    gerardirl: if u think we are colluding report it
    MrTedduk: if only
    gerardirl: im more interested in generating more traffic in these 22:38
    gerardirl: asis eon
     helan1981: why invite someone to join a table?
     eon1961: so it fills
    gerardirl: because eon has encouraged me to step up to £5 table
    MrTedduk: ffs helan
    helan1981: why invite a mate onto a game im regd for
     gerardirl: we just told u helan
     helan1981: sure if it was u it would make you wonder
    gerardirl: i dounderstand where ur coming from
    gerardirl: but trust me
     helan1981: yeah a game im regd in
     gerardirl: it aint the case 22:42
    helan1981: seemed that way
    gerardirl: iunderstand
     helan1981: i was regd he asked u to join
     gerardirl: but its nothong to dowith u
     gerardirl: dont even know u
    MrTedduk: ive got aces ger
     MrTedduk: oops 22:43
    gerardirl: and what about when he asked me to join £11s earlier helan when u werent there?
     gerardirl: ok thats fine
    gerardirl: play what u wish
    helan1981: i was regd till he asked you to join
    gerardirl: but ur very welcome here
    helan1981: thats why he asked you to join 22:44
    gerardirl: i wasnt joining anyway
    gerardirl: ive played 1 £11this year
    helan1981: no probs seems legit
     MrTedduk: nh

    Is this the normal in dyms? you ask your buddie to join games in chat? make other players wonder whats going on?
    Also changed name of player on table 2 but why should i change names of players on table 1 if they done nothing wrong no need for me to change names is there!

    so on my next table i asked for opinions this is what i got.

    23:16    xxxxxxxxxx : Not a bad thing
    23:17 helan1981: seems wrong what if i got my mate to play every dym i did is that not a bit iffy
    23:18 helan1981: cash tourneys are best or heads up more fair less chance people colluding like in dyms
    23:19 xxxxxxxx: Im friendly with a few on here and Def nothing like that going on
    helan1981: sorry but it just happened to me again on here
    23:20 xxxxxxxx: See u r point tho
    helan1981: eon1961: ger i recomend the £11 game gerardirl: wil see who is seated mate 22:30 gerardirl: doubt it will fill mate
    helan1981: me and the eon player where only 2 regd at time
    helan1981: so is that normal
    helan1981: well on here
    xxxxxxxx: Regular players and pretty much yes
    23:22 helan1981: so in other words they only play with eac other
    helan1981: or if they can cheat they help each other
    xxxxxxxx: They like LOTS of games doesn't matter who against
    xxxxxxxxx: Just look out for ger ;)
    23:24xxxxxxxx : B good dym player

    So is this  what you want to see when you sit down for a few games?

    I probably wont get to reply to any comments as this will get deleted and i will get banned but this post will be going up on a few poker forums to see what people think.

    In my eyes if in a dym and there is 4 left and your actions make 1 player lose and help another win that is collusion whether it is said or not in chat.

     like when you have 2000 chips 2 others have 4500each roughly shortie has 700 in the small blind and goes all in at 300/600 so its only 100 more to call yet they fold not once but twice but twice they raise you but fold to a 100 raise from the guy they have played 1000s of games v

    Really makes you want to load another Init!
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017

    Firstly Helan, it's not right to cut & paste chat from Tables on here & we don't allow it, & I'm not going to allow further instances. On this occasion, it won't be deleted, & you wont be banned, (as you suggested you would) we are always happy to discuss stuff, but please don't C & P chat from tables onto here, it's improper.  

    If you have a complaint about an issue such as this, send it to CC please & they will investigate it.

    Personally, having read that transcript, I can't see anything improper.

    The PLO8 player pool is fairly small, so most players "know" each other in the virtual sense. That's a very long way from "collusion" which you are suggesting. If 2 players toddle along to a  casino together to play some poker, is that collusion?
     
    I've played over 20,000 of them, & it's perfectly normal that we suggest to others there is a seat open in a £3er or £11er or whatever. How is that even remotely improper? It's just people trying to get games going.

    Nothing about that is improper or sinister, nothing at all.

    Happy to discuss & debate, but please let'ss quit with cutting & pasting convos on here, or threatening to post it on other forums, as that won't cut any ice.

    If you have a genuine complaint, take it to CC please.

    On your behalf, I will send this to the Poker Team too.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited July 2017
    Hi Helan,

    I think you are overeacting, and also adding some untruths as to how the game ended, Im not sure why your doing that as you know Sky can check the hand history.

    Anyhow you are welcome to observe every one of my games and I know you will change your mind from what you posted.

    Regards
    Ger
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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited July 2017
    I know many of the dym regs I play against in person as well as online.
    This kind of thing will often be suggested if traffic is low. For example Someone may say a £55 has a couple regged and to reg and get it going. Often tables will only fill when 4 or more are regged.
    Then when we play the game we go at each other just as hard as we would with any other players.
    It's a small player pool on here and it's inevitable that regs will know each other.
    I know Tikay and we played a bunch of dyms against each other earlier in the year. Opposite to what you imply, we took delight in busting each other 

    Collusion is rare despite what some seem to think. I've seen a handful of players colluding in dyms in my time on here. All have been banned pretty quickly.

    If you have any doubts then record the game number and report it. It will always be checked by the Sky team if you do that.


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