In Response to Re: the reason people get annoyed and leave sky poker. : I'm not sure if that reply is entirely meant for me. I wasn't entirely unsympathetic to you so it puzzles me a little. I've played 626 mtts on Sky and my stats are reasonably good but it will be a while before I get to 2000 ...... but I promise to let you know when I do. Posted by elsadog
Just read this thread. Now I know why I'm on a bad run!! It's not that I've ever dished out some bad bats to anyone, .......ever! Admittedly I play at the low cash stakes, where it seems to be more of a shove fest at times, and to be honest my play could be better. It's the only way I 'll learn! But hey, swings and roundabouts. I get down but take a break and start again. Life's too short, if being on Sky gets you down don't play. You may not have been complaining at first, just pointing out things, but it doesn't seem that way now?
On another point - to Phil12uk - any chance of a loan of that doomswitch!!! Pleeeeeezzzzzeeee. Probably costs too much though, but the backhanders to the dealer aint working at the moment.
Ok you can't be serious now? You're moaning/suggesting that's something's wrong because in one hand you limp call off third of your stack with KQ, only for the better hand that BET NOT CALLED to hold up...the fact it then improved to flush is irrelevant! Then you're highlighting another hand where you called off nearly half your stack with J10 after raise and re-raise, only to call the remainder of your stack off to the re-re-raise? Unsurprisingly you didn't outdraw your opponent and again fact the same person improved to flush is irrelevant...they got their chips in good and won! Would you have posted these hands if when you outdrew them on the turn, your hand held up and didn't get outdrawn on the river? Right forgetting your questionable play in the hands above, let's look at some of the other hands you posted...
AA vs 55 - so the worst hand outdrew the better hand and then gets outdrawn itself? Just like your J10 basically? When the money went in on the turn, the AA was winning so what's the problem? The best hand pre flop won...amazing!
22 - your bet sizing on the flop wasn't big enough! You rectified that somewhat on the turn but still gave 3-1 to your opponent to hit trips/2 pair/flush! If you didn't want to lose your customer so you kept him interested, that's fine but you need to accept/can't moan that sometimes your opponent will then improve!
AQ vs QQ - set up? No it's standard scenario...better hand called your shove and that's just how poker works...nobody played it wrong, just happens! If you shove with AQ and get called by AJ, it's set up to your advantage then no? Would you be complaining then?
AK vs K8 - looks like dream flop so tough to get away from but limping with 11BB's? You're disappointed because you thought you were ahead but how dare anyone have good hand too? They must be setting me up...no look at your own play before criticizing others!
AQ vs JJ - standard race with the worst hand catching up on the river! JJ bets 100 into 1600 pot so it's difficult to fold any hand there...paired board means AQ could easily be ahead in 3 bet pot and if you're behind, there's amazing odds to hit one of your outs!
KK vs A5 - like other hands you posted, the best hand pre flop held up so what's the issue? It's irrelevant that KK went behind and then hit on the river - the fact A5 hit x 5 5 flop doesn't matter anymore than hitting the A...it's all factored into the 25%ish that A5 was against KK! Even though it was the case K and therefore lucky to find it, the A5 was equally as lucky to move ahead on the flop so it's all standard poker high's and low's!
Ok you can't be serious now? You're moaning/suggesting that's something's wrong because in one hand you limp call off third of your stack with KQ, only for the better hand that BET NOT CALLED to hold up...the fact it then improved to flush is irrelevant! Then you're highlighting another hand where you called off nearly half your stack with J10 after raise and re-raise, only to call the remainder of your stack off to the re-re-raise? Unsurprisingly you didn't outdraw your opponent and again fact the same person improved to flush is irrelevant...they got their chips in good and won! Would you have posted these hands if when you outdrew them on the turn, your hand held up and didn't get outdrawn on the river? Right forgetting your questionable play in the hands above, let's look at some of the other hands you posted... AA vs 55 - so the worst hand outdrew the better hand and then gets outdrawn itself? Just like your J10 basically? When the money went in on the turn, the AA was winning so what's the problem? The best hand pre flop won...amazing! 22 - your bet sizing on the flop wasn't big enough! You rectified that somewhat on the turn but still gave 3-1 to your opponent to hit trips/2 pair/flush! If you didn't want to lose your customer so you kept him interested, that's fine but you need to accept/can't moan that sometimes your opponent will then improve! AQ vs QQ - set up? No it's standard scenario...better hand called your shove and that's just how poker works...nobody played it wrong, just happens! If you shove with AQ and get called by AJ, it's set up to your advantage then no? Would you be complaining then? AK vs K8 - looks like dream flop so tough to get away from but limping with 11BB's? You're disappointed because you thought you were ahead but how dare anyone have good hand too? They must be setting me up...no look at your own play before criticizing others! AQ vs JJ - standard race with the worst hand catching up on the river! JJ bets 100 into 1600 pot so it's difficult to fold any hand there...paired board means AQ could easily be ahead in 3 bet pot and if you're behind, there's amazing odds to hit one of your outs! KK vs A5 - like other hands you posted, the best hand pre flop held up so what's the issue? It's irrelevant that KK went behind and then hit on the river - the fact A5 hit x 5 5 flop doesn't matter anymore than hitting the A...it's all factored into the 25%ish that A5 was against KK! Even though it was the case K and therefore lucky to find it, the A5 was equally as lucky to move ahead on the flop so it's all standard poker high's and low's! Posted by Action_Dan
isnt about the play if it was ,we would be in the poker clinic....
In Response to Re: the reason people get annoyed and leave sky poker. : isnt about the play if it was ,we would be in the poker clinic.... regards toby Posted by djblacke04
It's everything about the play...that's the point! If the hands were played better, you wouldn't need to post in Area 51 complaining when your set gets outdrawn on river after giving opponent perfect odds to hit their flush!
Just gettin silly now... becoming quite obvious.... just how far ahead do i have to be in a hand.... Hand History #275722713 (22:44 29/07/2010) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance djblacke04 Small blind 150.00 150.00 2095.00 FOLEYBOY1 Big blind 300.00 450.00 3692.50 Your hole cards Q K FourShore Fold DELTA Fold djblacke04 All-in 2095.00 2545.00 0.00 FOLEYBOY1 Call 1945.00 4490.00 1747.50 djblacke04 Show Q K FOLEYBOY1 Show 9 K Flop Q 10 4 Turn 10 River J FOLEYBOY1 Win Straight to the King 4490.00 6237.50 Posted by djblacke04
the above hands are clearly what the 'average joe' poker player is getting teed off with happening more often than not here...and to say 'its the play' aint really cutting the mustard with some...these people aint folding whether they get 100/1 or 100/30 against,and why?coz theyv had a look at the forums and seen that 'even if im way behind i'll most likely win'... surely these are the people that sky should be teaching 'lessons' to, about bad play. but then i imagine its very beneficial for sky to have lower level players stick around for awhile...
this has been a very enjoyable hour of my life readin through this thread; one of the best on the forum in my opinion! keep up the good work dj and everyone else (Y)
Ok you can't be serious now? You're moaning/suggesting that's something's wrong because in one hand you limp call off third of your stack with KQ, only for the better hand that BET NOT CALLED to hold up...the fact it then improved to flush is irrelevant! Then you're highlighting another hand where you called off nearly half your stack with J10 after raise and re-raise, only to call the remainder of your stack off to the re-re-raise? Unsurprisingly you didn't outdraw your opponent and again fact the same person improved to flush is irrelevant...they got their chips in good and won! Would you have posted these hands if when you outdrew them on the turn, your hand held up and didn't get outdrawn on the river? Right forgetting your questionable play in the hands above, let's look at some of the other hands you posted... AA vs 55 - so the worst hand outdrew the better hand and then gets outdrawn itself? Just like your J10 basically? When the money went in on the turn, the AA was winning so what's the problem? The best hand pre flop won...amazing! 22 - your bet sizing on the flop wasn't big enough! You rectified that somewhat on the turn but still gave 3-1 to your opponent to hit trips/2 pair/flush! If you didn't want to lose your customer so you kept him interested, that's fine but you need to accept/can't moan that sometimes your opponent will then improve! AQ vs QQ - set up? No it's standard scenario...better hand called your shove and that's just how poker works...nobody played it wrong, just happens! If you shove with AQ and get called by AJ, it's set up to your advantage then no? Would you be complaining then? AK vs K8 - looks like dream flop so tough to get away from but limping with 11BB's? You're disappointed because you thought you were ahead but how dare anyone have good hand too? They must be setting me up...no look at your own play before criticizing others! AQ vs JJ - standard race with the worst hand catching up on the river! JJ bets 100 into 1600 pot so it's difficult to fold any hand there...paired board means AQ could easily be ahead in 3 bet pot and if you're behind, there's amazing odds to hit one of your outs! KK vs A5 - like other hands you posted, the best hand pre flop held up so what's the issue? It's irrelevant that KK went behind and then hit on the river - the fact A5 hit x 5 5 flop doesn't matter anymore than hitting the A...it's all factored into the 25%ish that A5 was against KK! Even though it was the case K and therefore lucky to find it, the A5 was equally as lucky to move ahead on the flop so it's all standard poker high's and low's! Posted by Action_Dan
In Response to Re: the reason people get annoyed and leave sky poker. : get many 1 outers in real life do ya?.. Posted by djblacke04
Well yes actually you do...my local casino in the £10 Freezeout sees them, as does the big EPT, WPT and WSOP events! You might see more online because there's far more hands dealt so scenarios are going to come up more frequently - in the time you play 100 hands live, you might play 500 hands online (random figures but you get the idea) so chances of seeing what you think are "oddities" are increased! Another reason you might see some more outdraws on Sky (as think you're suggesting) is the standard of the players - if people are inexperienced and won't fold draws no matter what, eventually they will hit as you're going to see more streets, meaning more opportunity to get outdrawn...it's annoying when they do hit but think of the times they miss and have given you their chips...we don't complain then!
The other hands you posted like KQ being outdrawn by runner runner straight are plain unlucky but unfortunately part of the game...sometimes the cards just fall that way and you've got to shrug it off! The 60/40 races are again just part of the game but suggesting it's something to do with online poker and Sky in particular is just wrong and reflects badly on you...
In Response to Re: the reason people get annoyed and leave sky poker. : Well yes actually you do...my local casino in the £10 Freezeout sees them, as does the big EPT, WPT and WSOP events! You might see more online because there's far more hands dealt so scenarios are going to come up more frequently - in the time you play 100 hands live, you might play 500 hands online (random figures but you get the idea) so chances of seeing what you think are "oddities" are increased! Another reason you might see some more outdraws on Sky (as think you're suggesting) is the standard of the players - if people are inexperienced and won't fold draws no matter what, eventually they will hit as you're going to see more streets, meaning more opportunity to get outdrawn...it's annoying when they do hit but think of the times they miss and have given you their chips...we don't complain then! The other hands you posted like KQ being outdrawn by runner runner straight are plain unlucky but unfortunately part of the game...sometimes the cards just fall that way and you've got to shrug it off! The 60/40 races are again just part of the game but suggesting it's something to do with online poker and Sky in particular is just wrong and reflects badly on you... Posted by Action_Dan
AS far as im aware the rules governing what i can say and cant .......are printed above,
and i want to be clear, you see 1 and 2 outers EVERY GAME at your local casino,not to mention the 4 card flush monkey.......because if that happened at my casino there would be shots fired and poker related homicide...
i put all my chips in 80-90% favourite and lose all of them......i put my chips in behind and lose all of them......
so i m just on an unlucky 1000 game streak......bearing in mind that if i played 1 game every saturday at my casino it would have equated to a 20 year bad run......lol......
In Response to Re: the reason people get annoyed and leave sky poker. : AS far as im aware the rules governing what i can say and cant .......are printed above, and i want to be clear, you see 1 and 2 outers EVERY GAME at your local casino,not to mention the 4 card flush monkey.......because if that happened at my casino there would be shots fired and poker related homicide... i put all my chips in 80-90% favourite and lose all of them......i put my chips in behind and lose all of them...... so i m just on an unlucky 1000 game streak......bearing in mind that if i played 1 game every saturday at my casino it would have equated to a 20 year bad run......lol...... love u man....action dan..... Posted by djblacke04
That's not what I said - you asked if 1 outers happen live and the fact is they do, no matter where you play!
You're not on an unlucky 1000 game streak - most of your beats (on this thread) could've been avoided with better play both pre and post flop so luck doesn't come into that!
Like others on the thread, I'm probably fighting losing battle because you've clearly settled on theory that it's all against you and nothing you do is to blame...you're acting like every hand you've played results in defeat! Of course hands you get knocked out by are going to be remembered and "I never win races" boo hoo but what about when blinds are 10/20, you raise to 80 with KQ and get called by 66...flop comes 5 7 Q and you take pot down with bet? You've won that "race" but you don't post those hands?...or if it's reversed and you have to fold your 66 to their C-Bet, you don't post that? It's only because the hand knocked you out that you remember/feel aggrieved but you're forgetting everything that's gone before!
In Response to Re: the reason people get annoyed and leave sky poker. : That's not what I said - you asked if 1 outers happen live and the fact is they do, no matter where you play! You're not on an unlucky 1000 game streak - most of your beats (on this thread) could've been avoided with better play both pre and post flop so luck doesn't come into that! Like others on the thread, I'm probably fighting losing battle because you've clearly settled on theory that it's all against you and nothing you do is to blame...you're acting like every hand you've played results in defeat! Of course hands you get knocked out by are going to be remembered and "I never win races" boo hoo but what about when blinds are 10/20, you raise to 80 with KQ and get called by 66...flop comes 5 7 Q and you take pot down with bet? You've won that "race" but you don't post those hands?...or if it's reversed and you have to fold your 66 to their C-Bet, you don't post that? It's only because the hand knocked you out that you remember/feel aggrieved but you're forgetting everything that's gone before! WSOP 2008 Main Event Final Table - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvpEv-gbbDE Posted by Action_Dan
you show me one hand played from 4 million in the wsop......
i show u 2 or 3 hands every game.....from about 50 hands dealt at the table....
In Response to Re: the reason people get annoyed and leave sky poker. : you show me one hand played from 4 million in the wsop...... i show u 2 or 3 hands every game.....from about 50 hands dealt at the table.... Posted by djblacke04
*Shudder* obviously I don't have access to every single hand, only what gets edited into the TV production...beats occurred during the WSOP that weren't seen on camera but the point I was making still stands...beats happen all the time, live or online! You've shown us one hand, the KK hitting on the river...it's not two or three "one outers" every game by any means!
Why do you keep playing on Sky if you're convinced there's something wrong? I seem to remember you saying you've cut your games down to one a night...isn't that one too many? If I felt there was something untoward happening, I'd be onto the regulators demanding it to be sorted!
If I think there's something wrong with the brakes in my car, I don't keep driving it until I crash just to prove there was something dodgy with them...
get your money in good......you may as well kiss it good bye....come off it...is every time....
Hand History #278605981 (18:20 08/08/2010)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancedjblacke04 Small blind £0.25 £0.25 £15.28 nlsb Big blind £0.50 £0.75 £31.99 Your hole cards A 10 LeopardGod Fold djblacke04 Call £0.25 £1.00 £15.03 nlsb Raise £1.00 £2.00 £30.99 djblacke04 All-in £15.03 £17.03 £0.00 nlsb Call £14.03 £31.06 £16.96 djblacke04 Show A 10 nlsb Show 10 K Flop 7 7 4 Turn K River Q nlsb Win Two Pairs, Kings and 7s £29.51 £46.47
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18 mons into 1200 bh
Hand History #275485467 (21:46 28/07/2010)
Hand History #275487241 (21:51 28/07/2010)
Hand History #275488472 (21:54 28/07/2010)
heres the first...
Hand History #275514188 (23:04 28/07/2010)
hmmmm lost to 2 four card flushes in two games......
Hand History #275515260 (23:07 28/07/2010)
Now I know why I'm on a bad run!!
It's not that I've ever dished out some bad bats to anyone, .......ever!
Admittedly I play at the low cash stakes, where it seems to be more of a shove fest at times, and to be honest my play could be better. It's the only way I 'll learn!
But hey, swings and roundabouts. I get down but take a break and start again.
Life's too short, if being on Sky gets you down don't play. You may not have been complaining at first, just pointing out things, but it doesn't seem that way now?
On another point - to Phil12uk - any chance of a loan of that doomswitch!!! Pleeeeeezzzzzeeee.
Probably costs too much though, but the backhanders to the dealer aint working at the moment.
regards
toby
just bad luck as per usual
Hand History #275676938 (20:37 29/07/2010)
and i never win a race even if i am the favourite on the flop....
Hand History #275678241 (20:41 29/07/2010)
Just gettin silly now...
becoming quite obvious....
just how far ahead do i have to be in a hand....
Hand History #275722713 (22:44 29/07/2010)
get many 1 outers in real life do ya?..
AS far as im aware the rules governing what i can say and cant .......are printed above,
and i want to be clear, you see 1 and 2 outers EVERY GAME at your local casino,not to mention the 4 card flush monkey.......because if that happened at my casino there would be shots fired and poker related homicide...
i put all my chips in 80-90% favourite and lose all of them......i put my chips in behind and lose all of them......
so i m just on an unlucky 1000 game streak......bearing in mind that if i played 1 game every saturday at my casino it would have equated to a 20 year bad run......lol......
love u man....action dan.....
ROFL
you show me one hand played from 4 million in the wsop......
i show u 2 or 3 hands every game.....from about 50 hands dealt at the table....
1st time
Hand History #275934839 (21:45 30/07/2010)
2nd time same game same player..
Hand History #275953138 (22:28 30/07/2010)
and of course my exit.....drawing dead on the flop.....what a surprise...
Hand History #275961788 (22:49 30/07/2010)
You're not drawing dead on the flop.
There are runner runner straight and (better) full house possibilities.
Obviously for you these are impossibilites.
Good to see that you're still enjoying your poker. ;-)))
Hand History #278605981 (18:20 08/08/2010)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancedjblacke04 Small blind £0.25 £0.25 £15.28 nlsb Big blind £0.50 £0.75 £31.99 Your hole cards A 10 LeopardGod Fold djblacke04 Call £0.25 £1.00 £15.03 nlsb Raise £1.00 £2.00 £30.99 djblacke04 All-in £15.03 £17.03 £0.00 nlsb Call £14.03 £31.06 £16.96 djblacke04 Show A 10 nlsb Show 10 K Flop 7 7 4 Turn K River Q nlsb Win Two Pairs, Kings and 7s £29.51 £46.47