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I consider it a rip off---so I called it a rip off---so the suits ignored the whole thread--simples!
And I was'nt the first, or the only one to do so on the thread.
If I were King for a day......I'd help ANYONE. Except if they shouted & hollered at me, & suggested I was "ripping them off".
I have a method I use when I want something. I put my arms - metaphorically - round my oppo, & walk in his direction for a little way. Then, ever so gently-wently, & using a modicum of cooey-wooey, I turn him round, so that before he knows it, he is facing in the direction I want him to. Job done. A little psychology goes a long way in this life. It's how the world works, always has been, always will do.
But each to their own, & if you think your approach works better than mine, good luck with that. Personally, I like to win my battles, needs must as the devil drives, eh?
Hi Tikay.
Maybe i was a little grumpy with my last post.
I have to admit Sky have been great to me. I asked for a 50p heads up, and got it, i applied to be a home guest on the primo, and got it, so, all in all Sky do cater for the smaller stake players.
Alls i`m asking for is a league format, where everyone has the same chance of winning....
Thanks Tikay for your comments...:)
Anyway, I'm satisfied that I did all I could to assist, by spending a good deal of my own time writing to you privately to explain how, in my personal experience, to best achieve one's own ends.
They, & I, prefer to work constructively with guys such as yourself to offer a balanced package which seeks to do a very difficult thing - please everybody!
I think your point in your original Post was actually extremely interesting, & made some good points, some of which were intriguingly thought-provoking, & so I have now sent it upstairs to get some dialogue going about it. If & when they feed back to me, I will Post accordingly. Please be a little patient here - it might take a little time to come up with the right answer on this. A lot of different people, in different departments, would need to be consulted, and it's best in these things to think it through with care rather than haste.
Thank you for your other kind comments, they really are much apreciated. Working together, it's amazing what we can achieve.
i used to play on here every single day and play lots now i dont
sky do seem to have there faverates on here and others dont seem to matter as i stated in last post on here 2 main names complane about how the league is and its changed within a day ive put many many posts up about a big problem with it get many of people agree and say they feel it unfair and want to see it change and nothing comes back from it ? hows that 1 work ..... i know sky rich and tikay try there best but somtimes there best is not good enough and maybe some1 in a higher position should stand up and have a word
remember theres more lower stacks than there are bigger out there
As I explained earlier this afternoon, there are a number of reasons why the thread never got a response, & subsequently, I have tried to remedy that by taking the actions I described.
cash tables 24/7 on here with the larger BR players amassing hundreds of points towards a league system which rewards them for doing so. What choice have the MTT or STT players got at 2/3 am on here?
Yes, these players will pay rake but like CKD has stated, the cash for points system will reward them amicably.
How many or what percentage of players who play MTT/STT realistically achieve more than a 1000 points per month?
If Sky think this system is justified, so be it. My earlier point (which has been jumped on by a couple of people on this thread like 'sheep') was that bigger BR cash players do spend hundreds and hundreds on here and if 'they' require or request something, Sky respond by saying 'how high would you like us to jump for you?' whereas other players get a response of 'yes, we will look at that and get back to you in due course, maybe.
FACT - I posted on another thread with which I personally thought (and others agreed) were some good tournament suggestion ideas but did not get a reply.......where others did.
I shall get of my soap box for a while but I must say that all my working life I have campaigned for the underdog. I am a manager myself and always listen to everyone's point of view regardless of who or what they do.
As to "why me, not Sky", that's a little awkward to reply to right now - please watch out for a Blog in the next day or two which will answer that to your entire satisfaction, I'm quite sure.
TIA of your understanding.
The suggestion was not seen, it has been seen now, today, by me, & I immediately sent it upstairs. I can't do or say more than that.
It may be better if we get back on track & agree what League Format best suits all, because several different suggestions have been made.
I'm sorry the Thread was not spotted earlier, but I'm not sure what progress we are making by continuing to debate that - let's try & constructively agree what league Format would best suit most.
ill keep an eye out for that mate
max im not really sure about mtt as i dont play much but stt i was getting about 3 to 4 k cash for points which im fine with its the fact they put poker points on russian roulette games..... you can play about 100 of these in the time it takes to play a dym game....there is no skill in it so why give points to win a poker league....some will play 1000s of these to win the league.... i know every 1 has the samer chance but its not right.... basicly saying if you want to finish in the top 5 you have to play them
As you said you posted as others did some ideas, some of those ideas were implemented and we have some great tournaments now imo throught the dan deepstack league final and the Take on Tikay. As I said previously it is impossible for sky to incoporate everyones ideas 100% but they may mix a few and bring us better mtt's. You should not take offence that your ideas were not implemented and who knows they may still be in the future, who knows. I don't believe there is an underdog situation here m8 - I think we all want the same thing and that is better mtt's etc etc which sky are sorting out for all level of BR's.
As for a new league structure, I am sure tikay will let the suits know of this thread and they will act accordingly
A poker league, to me, says something different. The amount spent does not necessarily equate to an indication of ability and success and as such a league based on spend alone is misleading. There are many lower stake players who have lots of ability but for whatever reason don't play at the higher stakes. I personally know of a player who isn't very proficient, but he happens to earn in excess of £600k a year and plays poker for high stakes. I get invited to play poker with him and a couple of his friends once or twice a year and reluctantly accept (It's a dirty job, but hey I'm a convivial guy) and we play some friendly poker.
A league encompassing the whole site should have a means of equalising the variance in stakes, and reflect success and ability. I'm not sure how that could be achieved but I bet Mere does
cash for points im happy with i think it is spot on so im for staying as is
points removed from russian roullette games and only have points for games that invole you playing
thats all i want to be looked at
THIS.
However, the following points should be noted:
1. There are already separate leagues for cash, MTT and STT points. So cash players are not being overly favoured compared to tournament players.
2. You may feel that it is unfair to award more points for the higher stake games but it is undeniably true that it is more difficult to win at higher stakes. If this were not so, we would all be playing at the highest stakes. Even allowing for this, I know of at least one player who has regularly featured towards the top of the league purely by multi-tabling 2p/4p games. So, it is already possible to feature by playing low stakes games and, if there were no weighting towards the higher stakes, the top of the table would be swamped by people playing 2p/4p. I, for one, would not like to see this. I do not make this point out of self-interest since most of the games that I play would come in the lower points band.
under 1.10 is 4pts for 1st 3 for 2nd
1.10-11 is 8pts for 1st 6 for 2nd
11 over is 12pts 1st 9pts 2nd so there is not a huge difference this is good
but to me rake has nothing to do with the league... thats what cash for points is the rake.....a league to me is there to find people who have played well throught the time.... if the league is just rewarding those who spend the most its not a league
i.e chelsea spent 100m this year man u only spent 95m chelsea win the league is there a point in playing the games ? ........ it would be nice to have a new league added where all have an equal chance
make a league over 6mouths
you can play 3 games a week max but games run 3 a day
£1 entry per game 1pt per place so if you finish last you get 1 pt then at the end of the time its split up into the prizes... this is no cost to sky and every 1 would have a fair and even chance of being at the top
run this with what sky have and then every1 will be happy as theres somthing for every1
There is nothing to stop people setting up leagues themselves on this basis.
Bornablade has already set up his "DS Challenge League" which seems to be well supported, for example.
However, I think that it is unreasonable to expect Sky Poker to run leagues to cater for every taste. It just doesn't strike me as being feasible.
As I said previously, I don't think a league should be so closely linked to money, although I do appreciate that completely leveling the whole structure may not have the desired effect!
Unfortunately, getting the right balance may prove a little difficult! If you put on specialised "league" games, and make them affordable to all, it would not be much of an attraction to even the medium stakes players and definitely not those in the high stakes games!
An alternative may be to to highlight certain regular MTTs & STTs at all buy in levels as being "league" games. They would have to be properly structured and available thoughout the day and night. Let's say one an hour (at each buy in level) for MTTs with each one starting at the same time and players only able to register for one of the games (although that might give the IT boys a headache! lol). "League" STTs would have to be constantly available but again they should be properly structured and I would suggest that they do NOT include DYMs or Russion Roulette. The reason for removing the DYMs is because most people tend to just go all in once they make the money and are not really interested in the points!
As for cash? "League" tables? I don't think so! Probably best to just leave it as it is!
Just throwing in some ideas! Shoot them all down, by all means but also see what you can come up with!
Cheers, Chris
There have been some excellent points and ideas raised, i just hope sky are able to implement them for a better structured and fairer league.
The present format, in my opinion, favours the high stake players. Anyway guys as my voice is never heard or responded to (only when it maybe slightly on the edge) i leave it to you to hopefully get it sorted.
"A poker league, to me, says something different. The amount spent does not necessarily equate to an indication of ability and success and as such a league based on spend alone is misleading. There are many lower stake players who have lots of ability but for whatever reason don't play at the higher stakes."
elsadog makes a very good point.
Oh yes!! Tikay thank you for at least responding in some way to the posts and hope they now get to the right people.
Its outrageous the amount of stt points the top few have already this month!
Agreed.