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playin for a living?
ok this question was in my other thread, but dohhhhhhh suggests starting a new one. i wanna put it up in the clinic rather than general chat because the better players/advice is around here.
next year like ive said i plan to take 2/3 months off work and play nl50 2 tables and 1 nl100
table something like 8 hours say 6 days a week. what roll am i looking at having? im planning on something around 3/4k is this enough to cope with downswings? and is a realistic aim to be looking at making minimum about £500 a week?....
say i have a good couple of months and i achieve that, 3 months is obviously not a good enough sample size, so what sample size should i be looking at? if i lose the money then oh well at least i can say ive tryed and failed and i aint lost nothing (except the money lol) but if all goes great and im constantly making a profit week in week out would it be too risky to jack in my job?
im aware this sounds quite dilusional but its something i really wanna try just to see if i can do it or not, if it all sounds like a stupid idea then plz speak up!
next year like ive said i plan to take 2/3 months off work and play nl50 2 tables and 1 nl100
table something like 8 hours say 6 days a week. what roll am i looking at having? im planning on something around 3/4k is this enough to cope with downswings? and is a realistic aim to be looking at making minimum about £500 a week?....
say i have a good couple of months and i achieve that, 3 months is obviously not a good enough sample size, so what sample size should i be looking at? if i lose the money then oh well at least i can say ive tryed and failed and i aint lost nothing (except the money lol) but if all goes great and im constantly making a profit week in week out would it be too risky to jack in my job?
im aware this sounds quite dilusional but its something i really wanna try just to see if i can do it or not, if it all sounds like a stupid idea then plz speak up!
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Jeeeeeez where do u work????
Win 1 buy in a day, at nl50, every day, and u r on 18-19k a year tax free.
Job done.
Financial advisors suggest you should have at least 3, hopefully 6 months of wages/outgoings in cash savings so that if you lose your job you have a buffer while you are looking for a new one. I would suggest you had this on top of your roll at least. The pressure on you would not be immediate then.
Don't know your job, but is it one you good do part-time for a bit to hedge your bets?
6month living expenses & 100bi's should be enough, id recomend 6 tabling a different site where you can get rakeback as that will add a significant amount to your monthly earnings, also one where you can track your hands using software will help you look at where your biggest leaks/mistakes are.
Any serious player who is going pro should have RB.
i grind on another site playing micros and its easily possible because its so fishy.
1, you need a years living expenses as said above before you start so thats 20k min depending on lifestyle.
2, at minimum i would want a 10k roll to cover severe downswings. 10BI in 90mins is my current best.
3, if it goes belly up have you got another job/qualifications which you can fall back on.
4, you plan to play 48 hours a week on the tables! so including toilet/food/drink breaks you could be looking at a 60 hour week. (you will need alot of breaks from looking at the screen all the time).
5, I have a roll which is specific to cash only on another site. if i want/need a break ill play SnGs from time to time because it breaks it up but that is on a secondary roll along with a small amount set aside for live/online MTTs.
6, get lots of coffee and pills
and GL
Good question. I wonder this myself a lot.
As for the OP, I would need to have a massive reason to go pro. I would be playing at least 4 hours a day, while still holding down a fulltime job, for at least a year. Then see how the figures add up. My br would need to be a few hundred buyins, plus living expenses for a year.
Everyone has different circumstances though. I have a moprtgage and 2 kids. That responsibility is a world away from being early 20 something single and living with parents,
gl
Just back from work! cheers for all replys!! ... some of the figures that are being thrown around here just aint possible ' a years living expenses, plus a 10k roll'...i just aint got that.
ok basically im in a rubbish job where ive been last 10 years but the money is quite good because i work nights, been playing poker for about a year and half now, ive never really taken the game that seriously but have been able in the past to build up rolls for nl50/100 (if ur usin 5% rule) from peanuts. a big problem for me in the past has been playing drunk, being a major tiltasauras and jumpin too high - skydiving before bungeejumping. i didnt really care because ive only played for fun and i dont get time to play seriously anyway. (although i believe ive got all that sorted now, well all except the playing drunk part)
in answer to a question i think blackfish asked - i dont really make money each week because i dont play much, in the year and half i have been playing i have made quite a tidy sum playing all different cash levels (anything from nl10 to nl200) and do ok in mtt's also. however after speaking to a couple of mates and a few ppl here on sky poker ive been convinced to try and have a real crack at it.
also it would actually be cool maybe one sat/sun night if we could get a poker clinic table going some regs (doh, beaneh, lol raise, cowgomoo, harvey, clio, scotty, mahony etc) say we all play 2 tables together nl50 or something so i could actually test myself against some of you guys (ok ive played most of you at some point, but not for long sessions, and not a full table of good players) just an idea anyway.im aware my game is probably too aggro and im gonna need to cool that down and grind abit, alot of my game is tryin to read other players, pick up on weakness and try and hammer them down the streets in position (see my other threads ive put up in the past) i like to try and read players so that is why i say intend to play only 2/3 tables if im playing anymore surely im turning into a robot? and reads kind of go out the window and its pretty much just standard abc stuff? i dont think my laptop can cope with playing more than 3 tables anyway and too be honest im not really comfortable playing more than that. 2 is my preffered option.
couple of ppl have mentioned playing on other sites. ok no disrespect to any of you guys who play here but isnt skypoker suppost to be one of the softest and easiest sites to beat? surely its better to play a weaker field than a tougher field? ok the rakeback thing but how bout the cash for points sky offer? if im playing 8 hours a day 6 days a week im gonna be making some half decent wedge on that, no? (ive never really played on any other sites so dont really no much about what they offer)
too be honest after reading all the replys its kind of made me realise straight away im being dilusional and the odds of this actually happening aint great, from what i can gather ive got to be looking at having a much bigger bankroll than i previously suggested, ive got a few grand i can mess about with but didnt actually realise how much i should actually be looking at!
thanks for all the replys--really appreciate it, i fully intend to try and go through with this but perhaps gonna leave it a while until im more confident and more sufficiently rolled. cheers - Andy
These figures r krazzzzzy u aint married with 8 kids r u???
JUST 50 quid a day for a year = 18 grand. Some days ur gonna lose abit, ya, but, shouldnt be alot playing nl50 on sky, and other days ur gonna win 2 buy ins (£100) within an hour, and take the rest of the day off if u like.
Why over complicate it? - within 2 months, u cud do the 8 hours a day thing, and make a 12k easy. - Thats 8 months wages to some people (yeh not a gr8 wage, but its deffo a gr8 job)
I made £4k in a month, playing only every other day, at nl30.
The boring grind theory deffo gets put into perspective when u can get up at 1pm and order a chinese on your dinner break. You can then clock off after your tenth can of larger, and not have to worry about a lift home. - U can get bladdered on a work night, and not have to worry about having a hangover for work the next day - just f*k it off.
Happy days!
Too much easy money on sky in the lower mid stakes to have drastic downswings - u cud lose 5 buy ins in an hour AIPF with AA v KK - but if u play 3 tables from 11pm-5am, u will win 5 buy ins off clowns who think 2nd pair is the nuts for 100bbs.
The one worrying thing tho wud be BD's point about is sky always gonna be easy? I hope they never let people use those software programmes, but...even if they do, ull have access to it too, dnt worry bouttttttttt it.
If its around that, then playin 2 tables of nl50 per day ur playing what, say 1k hands per day.
If you wanna make £50 per day you need to be running at a consistant winrate of 10bb/100. Which is good. I dont know if I would like to grind 8hrs / day for 50 quid.
These figures could well be wrong so someone please correct me.
Eagle i think thats a good idea we should have a poker clinic table going could be at various levels as we do get input at all levels in the clinic
They were all very good tournament players who played cash occasionally. They bankrolled themselves through tournament wins and made the move over to cash gradually using their tournament wins to BR themselves. One or two (Moorman and Gregoir) of them remained mainly tournament players and do very well at it. Others ( Gee & Pab) moved predominantly over to cash but still play the bigger tournaments. These guys were very talented and have the ability to switch their game between cash and mtt. I think I'm right in saying they also finished off their Uni so they always have a fallback. During that period there were some guys who sold/mortgaged their houses to become pro poker players and they fell by the wayside some years ago. They weren't lesser players they were just under the hammer from the off.
The advice given regarding fallback money is very sound. My experience tells me that no matter how good you are at poker, if you load yourself with any factors where you have just GOT to win, the stress will negatively affect your game. To be successful is easier if it isn't crucial whether you win or not.
Works for me!
I left uni 1 year ago, with a grand and a 2.1 in PE and youth sport, ive lived off poker since, and have 5 figures banked plus my account,(and £34.44 on bet365!!).
Edit - before I get lol'd at, obv Im making pennies compared to many, but only a year into playing seriously
And I have no alarm in the morning, unless it's the Jeremy Kyle music, give me that over a 9-5 job neday.
Also, I play nl30, 4-6 hours a day, some days up to 8, and its every other day! I also spew on average 5 buy ins a week in the last half hour of sessions, when had too many beers.
If someone with eagles talent took it even abit more seriously than I do, he cud eaily make 25k a year.
RESIGN !!