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However i am right
I dont understand why or how you can have a problem with people being away?? Your beans story summed it up tbh.
And if you dont want people jumping in raise preflop because otherwise you letting them limp.
I know that morphino is a big stakes player aswell so its suprising the thread was started by him so must be happening in paid tornys aswell.
It is impossible to insist, or police, that if someone registers for a freeroll that they are not "away"
Freerolls by their very nature are free, and therefore when someone sees that it's free they register straight away without thinking.
If i see someone handing out free samples of stuff in a shopping centre i take it. I dont care what it is.
I might never use the moisturiser lotion or the coffee beans and they are probably still sitting in a drawer somewhere. But there you go, its human nature.
When some people register for a freeroll, they don't remember (or care) that they have registered, its common across ALL poker websites. I have played many freerolls over the years and it is very unusual to have a full active table at the start and for the first few levels.
The point i am making is that freerolls are a different kind of poker. We should accept them for what they are imo. if we want a full active table (which is harder to beat imo!) then play real money games!
Even the very smallest real money games usually have full active tables, but if people choose to pay and not turn up then well they are silly.
1) You are bright, intelligent & articulate, with a good balanced mind.
2) The "88" in your alias - "batkin88" - reminds me of my favourite London bus Route, the 88. The 88 Bus Route even has it's own Wikipidea Page. Look, it's here....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Buses_route_88
I think we were made to be forever together.
As to the "away players", I wrote you some song lyrics, but keep them to yourself, in case Mark Knopfler tries to nick them.
"It's a mystery to me - the poker game commences
for the usual fee - plus expenses"
Don't forget, not a word to a soul - it's confidential information.
tk,you say the suits are interested in the clients veiws and this subject gets a lot of compliants, but please dont let them change the rules just because players dont like it (even if they are in the majority)
hi m8y ,
this been true above is the nuts ,
i sent you a pm regarding above .
see what you think .
denis
And for those who Sky want to encourage to join and play poker the result is it's not an enjoyable way of playing.
I find this game difficult enough without going up against these odds!
He was also commonly known as "the rudest man in Britain". After a speech by a guest at a wedding praised both the bride & groom, Gilbert retorted "you should know - you have slept with them both".
He died, tragically early in about 1960, aged barely 50, IIRC.
His Wiki page is here.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Harding
i think the answer to the murphino question is being misconstrued here and not being taken seriously or not being understood--
his point im sure is--
yes he is refereeing to the free-rolls but in the main the tournaments are 6 seater--
so to that fact alone--this creates more action--wider hand range--
as we found out in the august festival most were filled to the maximum of 2000--
however in the main you would find yourself playing heads up against one other or two at best over the first hour because as tk rightly says--
people were registering way in advance to play but weren't always available come the start after all they were free so no lose one way or the other if they didn't turn up--
consequently they became a c'rap shoot--
the same can happen in paid 6 seater tournaments here--
it can also be said--
that at the start maybe two players have sat out waiting for a level or two to pass--
a tactic used by some--
(wait a few levels then come smashing all-in moves--good poker that is)
however tactics are a part of any game or sport so there shouldn't be a problem on that score--
the whole point is--
with 6 seaters and one two or three players not at the table --for the other players who are there it's not a game of poker anymore its a c'rap shoot at best but in most cases its bingo--
to conclude-- in free-rolls the best solution would be to do what other major sites do--
if your not at your seat and played one hand after15 min- they stop the clock and remove the away players--
it doesn't affect the prize money-that's guaranteed--
it also gives everyone a fairer chance to play the game--
finally the best games here appear to be the tk deep stacks 10 seated--
with those kind of tournaments it doesnt matter if a couple of players are sat out --there are still 8 playing--
however with the new down-loadable software arriving in the next month or two im sure there will be some teething problems-- however i would also suggest that this business of 6 seater with one or two aways is a major contributor to why so many players visit the site but leave for other pastures because the want play a decent game---
i'm sorry if this is post is going to upset the soots and tk --im only speaking the truth--
the august freerolls were great fun and the chat (when someone was there) was funny to--
good luck --
this post wasn't ment to offend anyone--im just telling it as i see it--
ive nothing to gain by saying otherwise--
Thank you Batman for that exhaustive reply. In particular, I need to respond to this.....
"....i'm sorry if this is post is going to upset the soots and tk --im only speaking the truth--....."
It most certainly does NOT upset me, & nor, I assume, Sky Poker.
Sky Poker ran a Freeroll Festival for a variety of reasons, two of which were to generate goodwill, & attract new Clients. So when a lot of those new Clients complained at the fact that players were "away", they needed to try to find out WHY those players were upset, & what they could do, if anything, to address their concerns.
So no, any feedback is welcome, & in fact, as I'm sure you will have worked out by now, I've deliberately been "working" this thread to tease out as many possible explanations as I can.
So your take is most welcome, & appreciated. There is NO argument here, it's a debate, (an entirely different thing) designed specifically to improve the perception & reality of Sky Poker.
"....however i would also suggest that this business of 6 seater with one or two aways is a major contributor to why so many players visit the site but leave for other pastures because the want play a decent game---....."
I'm sure it was unintentional, but that's very misleading. There will always be churn on any Online Poker Room, but the churn on Sky Poker is way, way below the industry average.
As you will have seen yesterday, yet another Online Room - 888 Holdings - reported dramatically lower poker traffic. This follows similar trading statements reporting falls of between 13% & 49% in a number of Online Rooms, notably Party, Ladbrokes & i-Poker. Every Online Room except one has suffered dramatic traffic declines in 2010. The one exception is Sky Poker.
You make good points, & the whole purpose of this Thread is to listen to Clients, & try to improve the product. So your contribution was most welcome, & does not offend in any way.
As to your suggestion that Murphino's Post is not being taken seriously, well in my case, it most certainly is, hence all my replies to try to understand why he was so upset. Others have injected humour, which, really, is fair & reasonasble, as it's a poker forum, after all, & we play poker & contribute to Forums for fun.
Good luck at the Sky Poker Tables, & I hope to cross swords - or capes? - with you soon.
When registration is open for these Freerolls, would it be possible for SKY to pop up a box politely asking the player to come back and de-register if they know they will not be able to play ? After all, it only takes a few seconds.
i believe the recession and kick back after the election-- plus uncertain government polices is more to do with decline--
its tough in all industry right now and so giving customer a good feel experience is vital to maintain custom for all business and shopping centres--
my main point however was how to try and explain the thinking of players who find themselves at a 6 seater table with maybe 2 or 3 absentees--
if it were a 10 seater with 2 or 3 absent no one would think about or see a problem--
as i said previously it sitting 2 or 3 handed that changes the whole complex of the game--
if it were cash games then that's no problem i personally don't like playing 10 seated then--
in fact i prefer 5-6
all i was trying to explain was my view of the reason why players found it frustrating in tournaments--
that all said i enjoyed that august festival and thought it an excellent gesture and marketing exercise from skypoker--
roll on the next festival well done and thank you--
batman is coming soon-- (at a cinema near you)