telling cards b4 the hand is over

Sky_mod1

Hey

This post has got out of hand, please, remember the forum rules.

Many thanks

Sky Mod

donkeyplop

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : ok--so  as far as you and  skypoker are concerned -- i can declare my cards any time i bet --  fair enough-- as long as we are all playing on an even playing field  i know now--
Posted by batman4

if everytime someone shoved on me then told me what he had id be a very happy man!!!!

batman4

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : I trust you are not including me in that, Batman? I've tried to be constructive & helpful throughout, & advised the OP of their correct course of action, & not once have I ridiculed the OP.
Posted by tikay1

NO SIR..you not one of 'the faces' -- 

you are the guvna--and have tried to be very fair to lucky77 by telling them to contact customer service--
however i feel some of 'the faces' have been unfair to lucky77--

what would be constructive to every member is answering whether i can--based on this thread--

bet 'allin' and declare my hand in the chat box--

ie:--'im allin AJ'-- 

many thanks--personally i think its cheating--
 i  dont expect you to say in as many words that you agree--
although forgive me for presuming-- i believe you do--

batman4

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

Hey This post has got out of hand, please, remember the forum rules. Many thanks Sky Mod
Posted by Sky_mod1

thank you sky mod--however would you as you know the rules please answer--

can i declare my hand as i  bet saying ie: 'im allin AJ' ?
many thanks
'

lucky77777

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : NO SIR..you not one of 'the faces' --  you are the guvna--and have tried to be very fair to lucky77 by telling them to contact customer service-- however i feel some of 'the faces' have been unfair to lucky77-- what would be constructive to every member is answering whether i can--based on this thread-- bet 'allin' and declare my hand in the chat box-- ie:--'im allin AJ'--  many thanks--personally i think its cheating--  i  dont expect you to say in as many words that you agree-- although forgive me for presuming-- i believe you do--
Posted by batman4

ty sir someone who talks sense yes tikay is the guvna

Tikay10

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : NO SIR..you not one of 'the faces' --  you are the guvna--and have tried to be very fair to lucky77 by telling them to contact customer service-- however i feel some of 'the faces' have been unfair to lucky77-- what would be constructive to every member is answering whether i can--based on this thread-- bet 'allin' and declare my hand in the chat box-- ie:--'im allin AJ'--  many thanks--personally i think its cheating--  i  dont expect you to say in as many words that you agree-- although forgive me for presuming-- i believe you do--
Posted by batman4

Thank you Batty.

I confess, the whole thread made me very uncomfortable, I hate it when the mob mentality takes over, & it's fair to say there was a fair degree of humour & tongue-in-cheek ridicule.

But there are two sides to everything, & it's quite evident that the OP was tilted up, & when you clearly show such emotion by the tone of your Posts, you are bound to invite a little "sport".

Personally, if I'd have been a Mod, I would have closed the Thread  pretty early, because it was serving no purpose, & was just gradually & inexorably getting more & more out of hand. But I'm not a Mod here, which is very probably a good thing for all of us.

Moderation is a lose-lose role, & excruciatingly difficult, so I'm not being critical of them. But I'd deffo have closed it, because it was so one-sided, & I hate to see anyone getting such treatment, no matter if they be right or wrong.

GREGHOGG

I was not ridiculing the OP, I just want to make this clear.

I was trying to reason with him and merely questioning the need for a solicitor in this circumstance.

I gave my opinion on the issues of stating your exact hand and i agree with the OP that it is improper to mention your exact hand while play is in progress.

batman4

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : Thank you Batty. I confess, the whole thread made me very uncomfortable, I hate it when the mob mentality takes over, & it's fair to say there was a fair degree of humour & tongue-in-cheek ridicule. But there are two sides to everything, & it's quite evident that the OP was tilted up, & when you clearly show such emotion by the tone of your Posts, you are bound to invite a little "sport". Personally, if I'd have been a Mod, I would have closed the Thread  pretty early, because it was serving no purpose, & was just gradually & inexorably getting more & more out of hand. But I'm not a Mod here, which is very probably a good thing for all of us. Moderation is a lose-lose role, & excruciatingly difficult, so I'm not being critical of them. But I'd deffo have closed it, because it was so one-sided, & I hate to see anyone getting such treatment, no matter if they be right or wrong.
Posted by Tikay10

NO SIR--its not one sided--im a bit like 'josse wales' never leave a friend behind--especially when they are right--   ) 
you are ever the diplomat which is great-- however  you side stepped the question with feet more nimble than fred astair--  so  i wont embarrass anyone here on the subject--

my view would be this for skyrich or a boss to email lucky77--explain that he/she should have gone down the complaints channel--maybe give them a good will gesture --(as i said in previous post, make the site a 'feel good  experience' to our customers' when they spend money with us so they would want to come again)

i use the word 'us' loosely it's a motto we have within our sales company--

OH and i wont  personally declare my hand-- its not nice   )
good luck all- and TK -and thank  you for your time--

silkworm1

not sure if this helps in any way. During a live poker game Sammy 'Any Two' asked the Tournament Director if he could turn his cards face up when making a decision whether to call or not. The answer was if he did that, his hand would be dead, mucked. This was during the Euro Cash 2009. I presume, if he were to announce his hole cards, the same would have happend, as he was obviosly trying to gage a reaction from his op - Andrew Feldman I think. I believe the only thing you can get away with in chat, is announcing what you can beat - 'I can beat a set' for e.g. not your actual holdings.

I think this is the issue that Lucky is discussing. The problem is lucky, you should have just folded the hand and requested the other player not to do that again. If it does happen in the future, fold, warn the player - but don't call - thats just accepting his bad etiquette, rule breaking etc and making the call, believing you have the better hand is possibly why this discussion hasn't been given the respect it deserves.

It is breaking the rules and should be reported on the forum and to Customer Care, but the fact that you called hasn't helped your case.

Good luck in play anyway.

Si

Tikay10

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : NO SIR--its not one sided--im a bit like 'josse wales' never leave a friend behind--especially when they are right--   )  you are ever the diplomat which is great-- however  you side stepped the question with feet more nimble than fred astair--  so  i wont embarrass anyone here on the subject-- my view would be this for skyrich or a boss to email lucky77--explain that he/she should have gone down the complaints channel--maybe give them a good will gesture --(as i said in previous post, make the site a 'feel good  experience' to our customers' when they spend money with us so they would want to come again) i use the word 'us' loosely it's a motto we have within our sales company-- OH and i wont  personally declare my hand-- its not nice   ) good luck all- and TK -and thank  you for your time--
Posted by batman4

I side-stepped the question with good reason - I never had sufficient facts to hand to make a proper judgement, so I decided the best course of action was to say nothing.

A Hand-History was requested, but never materialised.

The fact is, we don't KNOW if the speech-play was improper or not on the evidence we have before us.

The Rules on speech-play can be quite complex, because the dynamics can vary so. Heads-Up, it's completely normal (though not something I would do) to confuse your oppo with speech-play.

I gave some very good advice though (well I thought it was good advice!) about speech play. I said that no poker player should EVER listen to what another player says in a hand. And if they follow that advice, speech play is never going to be a problem, is it?

Really, the whole thing got a bit out of hand, & lost perspective.

batman4

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : I side-stepped the question with good reason - I never had sufficient facts to hand to make a proper judgement, so I decided the best course of action was to say nothing. A Hand-History was requested, but never materialised. The fact is, we don't KNOW if the speech-play was improper or not on the evidence we have before us. The Rules on speech-play can be quite complex, because the dynamics can vary so. Heads-Up, it's completely normal (though not something I would do) to confuse your oppo with speech-play. I gave some very good advice though (well I thought it was good advice!) about speech play. I said that no poker player should EVER listen to what another player says in a hand. And if they follow that advice, speech play is never going to be a problem, is it? Really, the whole thing got a bit out of hand, & lost perspective.
Posted by Tikay10

yes agreed--  ) 

loonytoons

I would like to add something constructive to this thread? Im off to bed, night night peeps.

ckd

 lucky mate the longer you stew about it the more it will show in your game best thing to do is just let it go

 yes ok it might of been wrong to say his hand but its over with man just move on mate

 gl at the tables

candi

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

I would like to add something constructive to this thread? Im off to bed, night night peeps.
Posted by loonytoons

Its Goodnight from him and its Goodnight from me : ))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-SpfyKn96Y&feature=related

lucky77777

permission from sky mod to post what sky emailed me back

batman4

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

permission from sky mod to post what sky emailed me back
Posted by lucky77777

it must be good news--

so theres no need--

enjoy--   )  

Quietman

this is just silly now, 
sky mods please close this thread...

lucky77777

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : it must be good news-- so theres no need-- enjoy--   )  
Posted by batman4

i will pm u batman

batman4

one of the primary rules of poker--that is to say within the etiquette of the game is--

NOT making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot.

  bed for me now-- to the batcave

)

The_Don90

i remember theres a few times on the river im last to act ive put in the chat box,"your pot" before checking behind

SNOWY37

Jamie Gold would be disgusted.

emilyegg

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this is bizarre this thread is,how can someone crying their hand lead to solicitors being involved pmsl
Posted by stokefc

Lionel Hutz for the win (or I will sue you)

stop-it-please.com

BlackFish3

Batkin88

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

RIGHT IF YOUR ALOUD TO SAY YOUR CARDS THEN PLAYERS CAN GET ON THE SAME TABLE TELL EACH OTHER WHAT THEY GOT AND TO ME THATS COLLUDING
Posted by lucky77777

use ur nogging!! So your trying to say you cant tell your cards??? what about if the flop comes down  10 10 10 and i have pocket 2's in my hand is it against the rules to tell him i have a ten? U got a bad beat and took it badly! And i see your still playing on this site so it cant be that bad. People like you make me laugh this is a forum to have a general chat about poker on, u come on here putting the villans name on show and trying to make him look bad! Im glad everyone has set u str8!

From now on how about turn off the chat box and by the way im going to come and sit next to u now and tell u everyhand i have!

Kind regards

Batkini

lucky77777

omg how many more times have i got to say im not bothered about losing the hand

and i have emailed sky and they have replied back so unless u want your chat banned then carry on fool

and i will also be popping in to my local casino and putting the question to them

once i have there reply then i will take it from there

so watch your mouth miss smarty 

SNOWY37

I'd be very shocked if SKY said this was a breach of rules and would pursue anyone that does this.

It would be completly shocking to me if they say this is not accepted. Speech is very much a part of poker, it always has been, and always will be.

proof to this ; off the top of my head, watch the 2006 wsop main event, or series four of high stakes poker.

lucky77777

yes speech in a game of poker, hmmm i wonder if u hold a king that speech is ok or i reckon i have the nuts u wanna call me eh or hmmm we could be both holding a ten but i winder whats your kicker to whom that player he is speeching with may not even reply all this kind of speech is fine

SNOWY37

Im refering to 'speech play' that you're berating.

I've seen many televised tournaments, and cash games where a played will announce exactly what he is, you can this on the evidence i provided, the WSOP 2006 main event, and series four of high stakes poker. Jamie Gold, and Sam Farha, use this kind of speech play a great deal.

You should look for a very good article by Daniel Negranu on why banning a players right to show his two hole cards in poker while heads up, and still in play is an absolutely absurd idea.

As this is of course virtually idetical to the speech play in announcing your two cards that you are refering to.

lucky77777

In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over:

Im refering to 'speech play' that you're berating. I've seen many televised tournaments, and cash games where a played will announce exactly what he is, you can this on the evidence i provided, the WSOP 2006 main event, and series four of high stakes poker. Jamie Gold, and Sam Farha, use this kind of speech play a great deal. You should look for a very good article by Daniel Negranu on why banning a players right to show his two hole cards in poker while heads up, and still in play is an absolutely absurd idea. As this is of course virtually idetical to the speech play in announcing your two cards that you are refering to.
Posted by SNOWY37

ill tell u what y dont u enail sky see what they say mouth

SNOWY37

When you post on a open forum like this, you really should be more prepared to listen, and except peoples views, and opinions.

I think Sky need to post their opinion on this. The views are clearly split, therefor clarification is needed. I just hope its not the stupid decision i fear.