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On occasion though, i do feel that some cash players lack respect for mtt/stt players. But i dont want to start a debate on this, we will be here all day!
The cash field for the league mtt is obviously tougher, yes. But being tougher doesent mean that the stt players are mugs, far from it!
In a cash game, many of the stt players, including me, would get owned by the cash players. BUT, the final is NOT a cash game. It is a one off MTT, so i think the finals are more even than people realise!!
Yes, you raise a fair point. None of the cash players you mention would call us mugs. I know a couple, who you havent mentioned, who would though
Anyway, im gonna play some dyms soon, sure you will be on my table to haunt me as usual lol.
You were vul in the last league final m8. I'm sure with your persistence and ability you will get there eventually though.
I still like the idea of giving "sky vegas" points to peeps that play RR's rather than poker league points though. They could build up their vegas points and then exchange for cash to use on sky vegas. This would maintain interest in roulettes for the gamblers and resolve the poker league issue. And that money recycled into the sky system.
FWIW I hate league points being awarded for RR, I moaned about it on this forum when I first joined because the RR players were taking all the big STT league cash prizes. However I'm pleased that cash players are using the rules to their advantage, a 50/100 cash reg deserves the big prize (TSP) a million times more than the RR guys.
I have done very quick guesses/estimations. I think 9k points will be enough to comfortably qualify, You get 3 points per win so I will need to win 3k games (so play 6k). Estimating I win 50% of games and break even on buyins it will cost me 600 in rake. This however adds 6,000 points to my cash for points which added to my current total could be worth about £300, meaning if I make the final table I would of broken even (roughly). If I win a seat however this is priceless, it would give me the excuse to play full time (once again I've worked it out and makes very good sense) and as long as Sky were to keep renewing the 3 month contract could be worth ££,£££'s through buyins.
Anyway this is all if, buts and maybe's... Lets see what these 3 months bring, if it doesn't work out I'll go back to the cash route next quarter
Oh and btw well done on taking down last nights OPEN
All this number crunching got me thinking about it a bit more accuratly and I think it actually makes more sense than I first realised....
If I play 6k games over 3 months, then thats average 2k a month. That will add 2k points to my C4P total, I estmate to make around 12k points, so adding that 2k will put me on 14k, this puts me between the 12k (£350) and 16k (£500) milestones, this will inspire me to then put a few more hours in on the cash tables to make the 16k mark and earn me the extra £150. With the 25% VIP bonus that will give me an extra $37.50 a month, so paying £200 a month rake on these RR's will potentially earn me £187.50 in C4P and therefor over the 3 months will only cost me about £35.
You will probably have to read that about 3 times to understand my jumbled up figures LOL.
Now Sky have put such importance on the points awarded, they must realise they have to either review the way points are allocated or the way in which you can qualify to become a TSP Player.
The more you look at and consider the current system, the more flaws there appear to be.
Personally I was amazed to realise that after 3 1/2 hours play in the £33 Thursday night BH, I finished 13th out of 587 players and was awarded 4 league points for my troubles, whereas it is possible to play a 60p 10 player roulette mtt, finish 4th in little more than 5 minutes and win the same 4 league points.
Whether they intended to or not SKY are saying they are happy to have a TSP representative as someone who plays 60p roulette games just as much as someone who consistently runs deep in standard mtt events.
Abusing the roulette option to get further up the leaderboard doesn't seem right to me and surely defeats the object of trying to find the best players, particularly when we have the added proverbial kick in the balls of a final field with different starting stacks.
Apart from Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini, the SKY suits are the only people I can think of, that thinks seeding the finalists, trying to win your biggest prize is a good idea!
Its a bit like the mighty Stoke City reaching the semi final of the FA Cup and then drawing Man Utd, but being told that Stoke must play at Old Trafford and Man Utd will be given a 2 goal start, because...... (we will think of something)!
Unbalanced starting stacks means, unbalanced play from the beginning, some players are forced to take risks when normally their natural game, the game they used for the last 3 months to get to this point, would not suit the situation, equally a short starting stack has virtually no chance of recovering from a pocket aces getting duped by a pocket kings hitting set scenario.
Equally, the larger starting stack can probably withstand up to 3 bad beats in the first hour without any real damage.
The concept of qualifying for TSP is excellent and one that SKY should be commended for and I don't have a problem with anyone who has qualified so far.
If my play / luck means I make the top 30 again, great, however for me, I won't bust a gut and increase the number of tournaments I play as I did last quarter, just to stay in that top 30.
I hope the TSP process will evolve and we can look forward to an improved league structure and a final qualifying event with a level playing field.
The structure of the tournament means even with 4k, you still have ample chips to play a solid game, and if your game's good enough and you're lucky enough, you can win (robbie only had 4k stack, for example- and went on to win).
secondly,whenever these promo's crop up there is usually a spate of
"it is favouring the big money players" type of threads.
from what i can see it is a level playing field if a player with a £100 bankroll can get the same points for winning a game as a player with a £10,000 bankroll
gl all
1. TSP is more than 1 tournament buyin. You get that original buyin then your C4P doubled every month which would buy me into a lot of big tournaments, if I were to make it and stay on it would be worth 10's of thousands over time.
2. The 3 areas are not all as hard as each other. In no way am I saying MTT or STT are easy, thats just not in anyway the case. I just think I have a better chance playing 28/29 good recreational players than a field where probably more than 50% play this game for a living.
3. How is just clicking register and waiting not the easiest way? Do you think grinding for hours against profesional poker players is easier than £1 RR's????!!!
Just to add, in no way am i 'expecting' to win the TSP seat, that would just be firstly insulting and 2ndly naive. I'm not saying I feel I have a big edge over the STT players as that is not the case, I just think maybe there is less of a % in the STT field that would own my soul over and over again.
Also, I said this to Greg in reply to his PM, I am not using this to win the STT league, I just want to comfortably qualify mid table and get my shot at the TSP seat.
When I say they are not giving anything away I mean that on other sites playing same voume one could buy themselves into a 1k tourny with the extra rake back they would get.
Yes I know Robbie and Stan won with starting stacks of 4,000 and I agree the clock and structure were good.
I have been short stacked in enough tourneys to know how quickly you can turn things around, but you can't get away from the fact that having differing starting stacks will change the mindset of some players and change certain outcomes, you wouldn't normally see in a level playing field.
As for being fair to those players who put in the mileage, if the tournament is about rewarding those the put the most mileage in, then of course no need to change anything.
If the tournament is about opening TSP to a wider field, then I would argue the balance is wrong at the moment, probably at least 95% of the players on this site wouldn't be able to bust a gut to get the level needed to reach the top of the league, no matter how good or lucky their game is.
Personally I would give the cash prizes to those at the top of the league and have a winner takes all final.
If you have a quality MTT player of Flashflush's pedigree, who now thinks he needs to focus some of his time and cash playing roulette, surely something needs looking at?
Down the corroder second door on the left, Theres a whole bunch no one understands me in there, please leave this thread to us know it alls
Now that most of the mid / high cash players will see,
how easy it is to rr ones way through & also get a softer S&g mtt final,
rather then the high stakes cash mtt final .
I think a lot of these guys/gals will do same
go down the rr route,
Will this have a knock on effect ?
If so ,
will this start a bidding war ?
He/she who plays most rr games get higher up table ,
get more chips in S&g final ,
giving themselves a better chance in final & why not it is set up that way.
When the dym guys/gals find that they are below top 30 because of
the rr button pushers ,
no doubt some will say i best go pushing rr buttons .
The last few days in this 3 months comp will end up in a push button rr game .
A bold prediction by me that top 10 ,
if not 30 in S&g league will get in from the rr button .
Its not the players that stink,
its the rr 3 points per game that does .
My prediction is this will generate a lot of rake ,
but will leave bad taste for the regular dym grinders who will be
ousted, if they dont join in the final days pushing those rr buttons .