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You said perfectly what I was trying to say earlier.
I went the other way though, I have looked at the poss benifits and decided to just play my game when I feel like it, If I want to take a shot in a big tourny then ill pay, people can make tsp and be a loser or maybe just showing a profit from rake
Anyone who decides to go down this route is well within their rights to do so.
I know that if I want to qualify into TSP then my route is gonna be via MTT. And for this quarterly qualification, I will be grinding games like 60p chip and chiars to get there with a big chip stack.
The cash one is so so much harder than both STT/MTT. It's not beind disrespectful to either groups of players, its a simple fact that they aren't as good. Also there are many STT/MTT players who don't want/know what TSP is and shoult they make the final table then they won't be playing for the win. In the cash tournament, I would say that every single player will be going for the win.
i started a post earlier but then page froze so cant be bothered to type out all again
Basically i think as a whole RR belong in sky vegas, and if at worst case they are on sky poker too then i think they should get nil points! obviously its not going to change because they make too much from these apparentally but i have seen RR getting more and more busy this month which is probably dude to TSP so i reckon at least 10 of STT will have got there by playing RR which isnt fair, i personally have no chance unless i go on sick run in tourneys as i work so i am a recreational player.
Suits seriously sort this out, although it doesnt affect me its a bit of a joke
And as for small br players yes, in the stts, its great cos there are 7 league points for stts from £1.15 to £5.50. Rob qualified to tsp from £2 stts! fantastic stuff. Im all for the smaller br players, because, i am one of them!!
My main point is that RR's are NOT POKER! so why reward people who press buttons with 3 POKER league points when if someone plays a 3400 hu sng, they only get 4 league points! Give em gambling tokens for sky vegas or summit, but not 3 poker league points!!!
Beane understands!
Jez give it a rest Greg.
It's not how people get on the team it's how they stay on it that matters, playing £2 STT's won't put squat in a team members live account so after they bust out of the live event they qualify for what's next?
This programme is designed to a blue print and that blue print is Gliterbabe. To make it work you need to grind a ton of cash to gain a big bonus which sky double sticking half of it in your live account, if you don't rack up the points you won't enter further live events. If you don't play cash and lots of it it you will be a 3 month wonder unless you get lucky in the GUKPT. The team will look like the top 6 /8 of the cash leader table within 12 months dependant upon the team size Sky want. Why would Sky retain a player who's live account would only get him into the £10 freeze out at his local Dog and Duck.
All this nonsense about RR is nonsense, Sky is a business RR's make good business sense and so does Team Sky Poker once it contains the correct members - those that create huge rake for the site not £2 a go STT ers who create 3/5ths of FA .
You are missing the point of the promotion. It is open to all regular players. Your attitude towards the smaller bankroll players stinks. Sky will not just dump someone from tsp cos they are not generating enough rake, they will support them.
We are all part of this community and we all have a chance of TSP... even you, sadly...
Greg,
I'm just stating the blindingly obvious. OK you tell me how will Sky support a £2 STTer who rakes little and therefore has nothing of a bonus to enter a meaningful live event. Do you think Sky out of the goodness of their heart will bankroll the guy, its not going to happen, if it ever did what would the other team members have to say when they are building their SPT live account by playing on the site and creating a ton of rake in the process.
I agree the promotion is open to all players but it is hard to see how anyone but the cash grinders will be able to build a live bankroll big enough to support live event entries and retain their position on the team.
As ever you miss the point, I guess in this case it's because you are one of the smaller bankroll players you constantly argue on behalf of, take off the blinkers and look at the bigger picture.
I get your point, i just don't share your cynicism.
Just one for the sky superstars who are doing the rr rote as they see it as an easiest route of the format, if the TSP was changed whould they stop the rr route and go back to the cash and when i man changed I mean canged in the following way.
I believe the cash layout was £6,000 for the 3 different leagues spread out amongst them, why dont they scrap the pay outs and have just 3 £2,000 payouts these will be paid to the top 3 finishers of the TSP and will be paid to them as poker money so they have to use it on sky poker which ever way they want wether it be cash, mtt of stt this works for both high br layers and small br playrs as it gives them both a good start to thier 3 month challenge.This would also stop people using the TSP as a high money freeroll and benefit the people that really do want the place on the TSP.
Dont have 3 separate tournements have all 90 players in 1 tournement spread over 3 days, 1 a day with your best 2 results counting to your final position this to me makes more sense but this is just my opinon and was wondering if it was like this would the likes of Flash go back to cash tables and leave the rr route.
skypoker accomodate the smaller brs very well and this in undoubtedly thier success, The players at the top like lolufold are vital to the site, you only have to have noticed the fall in high stakes hu action since he has been busy winning elsewhere( pca) to see how important people like him are to skypoker as an insperation to the smaller brs on the site.
More important than the lolufolds of the poker sites are the continues flow of the peeps with small brs. without them the site dies.
No one has done anything wrong as greg says, But if this was my site I would address the issue.
Cut of the stream and theres no river
Peter
Secondly, please reconsider the highlighted statement above. In the 3 months running up to this months final, I probably paid in excess of £20,000 in rake. Twenty thousand, not twenty. And it could easily be more than that. So please don't pretend that Sky are giving away money, the top 30 cash players raked over £500,000 in that 3 month period given my rake as an average.
Cut off the stream and there's no river
This is the point I'm making in stating the obvious. As it stands a team members ability to enter further live events is tied to their ability to generate PP's and the bonus that is gained from them. A small br player can not do this to any great extent so how will they prove their worth and stay on the team without generating a live br that allows them to play more meaningful live events?
As I said this is a great programme for Sky as it encourages players to play on the site, those in the team to grow their live account, those not in to ensure they qualify for the SPT finals. However once on the team the small br players IMO have no where to go unless Sky roll these players to enable them to enter several live events not just the one they qualify for by gaining their place. However I can't see this as an option as it would be unfair to team members who are building their live roll by playing on the site and doing what Sky want - creating more and more rake for the site.
Some STT players will no doubt be able to build a reasonable number of points but these will be the ones with a reasonable br not those playing £2 STT's at 4 points a time with a small one.
As it stands it is obvious to anyone that AJS would be able to attend more events than Robbierott because he gains the points to do so. Robbie currently has 809 league points, AJS has 13,874, yes I know its pp's that create the bonus but I think this clearly illustrates my point. BTW Greg I'm not saying Robbie plays £2 STT's either.
In excess of £20,000 in rake in 3 months.
If Sky want us to play more they should just give us a 50% rake back deal and we'd all be happy, its not like these deals don't exist elsewhere. I guess the Sky team is a cheaper option or is that me being cynical again.
£5 for 500 points in 10%, where as £2,000 for 40k points is 50%. I imagine no more than 2 or 3 STT/MTT players make anywhere near 40k points though
I could be wrong but I think the route that was set up to attain a place in TSP through mtts and the like was to accomodate the tourny players to give them a chance to rise to the top, The cream will always rise to the top given the oppertunity, But the opperunity needs to be there.
The rules were set, Everyone is playing within the rules= No wrong doing. What will be interesting is if the rake sky have gained will sway thier initial intention of both routes to gaining a TSP place.
perhaps instead of cutting of the stream I shuda said Dream.
peter
I have said this on another thread!!
Surely this is a better and fairer way of doing it??