I'm still struggling with mtt's. Was around 20bb in a bhunter tonight, just below average stack in 36th place with 80 left. 28 are paid, but I'm not as*ed about mincashing, I'd rather risk busting now trying to get a stack together. I have 33 on the button and a fairly active player utg min raises. I just jam here with a fairly wide range. Is it just total spew to be actively engineering flip situations / trying to get folds from frequent openers? Can we ever fold a pocket pair here, we cant ever flat can we? If we fold 33 wheres our cut off? I find the 50/100 - 100/200 levels to be the most tricky, esp far from the bubble. Cheers, TEDDY Posted by TeddyBloat
Hey Teddy. This 33 spot is pretty marginal. Whilst I can't really fault jamming vs an active player, we could pass and look for better spots. We have a great 3bet shove stack, but low PP's are so vulnerable, even more so in a BH where we can get looked up so wide (great if we have QQ, less great if we have 33). And sometimes an aggro guy wakes up with a hand! I'd be more concerned by the position of the raise than anything; even loose aggro guys don't tend to open UTG super light. If we get called, we ain't gonna be in great shape, but I think jamming will sometimes fold out hands that crush us (44,55). It's a fine line!
Interesting asking about flatting. We can flat and we can't flat. We can't flat with the intention of no set no bet, as this just won't be a profitable move, and there will be almost no boards we like. We can flat, however, using our position and power of our relative short stack, to possibly get villain off their hand on a later street. This is a risky move, obviously, and table dynamic will mostly determine if you can get away with it. If our image is relatively tight, we could flat 33 as if we were flatting a monster, and play it accordingly. Like I said though, it is a potentially risky strategy, and you're relying on villain being somewhat of a thinking player to pull this off.
Thanks hhyftrftdr. these marginal spots can really make or break a tournament, innit.
Love your logic. My follow up question would be, given that we are a below average stack in a situation where we a far from the bubble, is it worth engineering or actively looking for these marginal / high variance spots in order to be better placed for a run at the top spots. In particular ive found that being a big stack around the bubble to be highly profitable. Also when we out chip our opponents we can flip the bounty hunter mentality in our favour: people are less inclined to go after people who they cant take a head prize off.
In the situation above utg folded after the bb called with ATs. If I knew that would happen id make the play 100% of the time. Is that reckless?
Hi all I am currently in a the big 11 on stars 70 left with a field of nearly 13 thousand, im 13th in chips and its 16k the winner and guess whats happened I have only just noticed we only have 17p on the lecky and my wages wont go in till around half 2 !!! what do i do ??????????????????????????????????? Iv turned everything off even the fooking fridge !!! if thats the thing that costs me this tourney tnite I will be gutterd !!!!!!!! Posted by K8LOU
How did u get off after k8? I hope they lecky held up!
I had a game on stars yesterday don't play on it much I profited 15000 pound in our money in this 109 tourney it was a rebuy addon game I dident rebuy or addon cos I did not want to spend a great deal on the game. I had a pro on my table for a while under the name on pessano well sumthin like tht from Brazil he was he got knocked out on the bubble.
In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Titans) Tribulations & Cashes : How did u get off after k8? I hope they lecky held up! I had a game on stars yesterday don't play on it much I profited 15000 pound in our money in this 109 tourney it was a rebuy addon game I dident rebuy or addon cos I did not want to spend a great deal on the game. I had a pro on my table for a while under the name on pessano well sumthin like tht from Brazil he was he got knocked out on the bubble. Posted by daiw
If that's not a typo wow amazing result. If it should have been 1500 still a great bink.
Hi all I am currently in a the big 11 on stars 70 left with a field of nearly 13 thousand, im 13th in chips and its 16k the winner and guess whats happened I have only just noticed we only have 17p on the lecky and my wages wont go in till around half 2 !!! what do i do ??????????????????????????????????? Iv turned everything off even the fooking fridge !!! if thats the thing that costs me this tourney tnite I will be gutterd !!!!!!!! Posted by K8LOU
I am also desperate to hear how this ended!!!
Sounds so sick, it's my worst nightmare going deep in a huge mtt and the internet cutting out.
Powercut is even worse!
Could you not go to a neighbours or something?
Hopefully the lack of updates means u won it allllll & r living it up somewhere very hot with ur winnings!
In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Titans) Tribulations & Cashes : If that's not a typo wow amazing result. If it should have been 1500 still a great bink. Posted by FlyingDagg
Sorry just read it I put 1 zero to many it was 1500
Thanks hhyftrftdr. these marginal spots can really make or break a tournament, innit. Love your logic. My follow up question would be, given that we are a below average stack in a situation where we a far from the bubble, is it worth engineering or actively looking for these marginal / high variance spots in order to be better placed for a run at the top spots. In particular ive found that being a big stack around the bubble to be highly profitable. Also when we out chip our opponents we can flip the bounty hunter mentality in our favour: people are less inclined to go after people who they cant take a head prize off. In the situation above utg folded after the bb called with ATs. If I knew that would happen id make the play 100% of the time. Is that reckless? Cheers, TEDDY Posted by TeddyBloat
Teddy, I have seen this. However, it feels like someone has been sat on my head for 7 hours, after a few too many shandies last night. So shall try and give a detailed (yeah right!) reply later when I can actually engage my brain.
Thanks hhyftrftdr. these marginal spots can really make or break a tournament, innit. Love your logic. My follow up question would be, given that we are a below average stack in a situation where we a far from the bubble, is it worth engineering or actively looking for these marginal / high variance spots in order to be better placed for a run at the top spots. In particular ive found that being a big stack around the bubble to be highly profitable. Also when we out chip our opponents we can flip the bounty hunter mentality in our favour: people are less inclined to go after people who they cant take a head prize off. In the situation above utg folded after the bb called with ATs. If I knew that would happen id make the play 100% of the time. Is that reckless? Cheers, TEDDY Posted by TeddyBloat
Hey Teddy.
Yes, approaching the bubble as a big stack is always lovely. I think it can be worth taking the odd risk or 2 en route to try and amass as many chips as possible to take towards the bubble and beyond. Ultimately, we'll have to win a few flips at any given time in every tournament we play, they are almost impossible to avoid.
With regards to the 33 hand, yeah if we know we're flipping then I suppose it's not a bad spot to gamble. But thats what it is, a gamble. We'll come out with chips only about 50% of the time. It's a pretty standard spot if we are playing 10bb or so, but 20bb gives us a bit more leverage and possibly the chance to look for a better spot. The problem with 33 if we get looked up is that we are flipping at best. I think it's a poor call from A10 after that action, but I bet when he cold called your shove you thought 'uh-oh'.
Now don't get me wrong, I love a good gamble. But I think I would rather 3bet jam something like 9 10s (providing we have F/E) than a tiny pair. Yes, if we're called then we can never really be ahead, but we are also unlikely to be dominated; racing vs small to medium pairs, live cards vs picture cards. Even if we run into premium like AA/KK then I'd rather have high suited connectors than a small pair (not sure what the maths are on this mind).
The fold equity element of tournament poker is so important. I'm sure you've seen the various debates on it recently on the forum, but around the 20bb stack is a great time to get busy. We should be 3bet shipping loads of hands vs late position openers (table dynamic dependent of course). Whereas I might pass 33 to an utg raise, I wouldn't hesitate to 3bet all in with J10s on the button for 18bb to a cutoff raise, for example. Picking the spots to go to war for your stack will make or break your tournament ultimately, and winning pots uncontested whilst relatively short stacked keeps our heads above water.
Thanks a ton for that. I get impatient and 20bbs buys us at least two orbits before our fold equity starts getting depleted I suppose. appreciate what you say about picking our spots, battles and the importance of the qualities of our hand.
Looking back its a spew spot for sure. I shouldnt settle for a spot where I'm at best flipping, when I can learn to sniff out spots that are much better.
Nice cashes wheels and Larson. Few from me tonight.
£200 GTD waller0202£63.80 Mini Primo waller02023£14.11 £100 deepy waller0206£11.66 £2500 freeroll waller0216437.50£12.12 and bubble money from a £4k BH sat waller0206£9.60 Bedtime!!
In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Titans) Tribulations & Cashes : How did u get off after k8? I hope they lecky held up! I had a game on stars yesterday don't play on it much I profited 15000 pound in our money in this 109 tourney it was a rebuy addon game I dident rebuy or addon cos I did not want to spend a great deal on the game. I had a pro on my table for a while under the name on pessano well sumthin like tht from Brazil he was he got knocked out on the bubble. Posted by daiw
Wowwwwwwwwwwww wp mate !!! takes some doing winning a tourney on there never mind the higher buy ins vwp !!!! noooooo lecky held but im aftraid I could only make 30th place for 280 grrrr, had a monster stack with 100 left then I get it all in against some1 with half my stack with my aces vs 9s needless to say he rivers a 2 outer !!! recoverd and got another decent stack in the next 2 levels then i get it all in with 9s against the same guy who had aj and he turns an ace boooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmm all my dreams over !!! but seriosly mate vwp !!! yer u tend to come across alot of pros on there, I satted into the big 162, didint cash or anything but jake cody ended up winning it !!! some of the guys over there are absolutly superb like
Best of luck to ALL playing the DTD Tonight....but........
Even more importantly
Here is a reminder of who is in with a shout for the UKOPs Prizes up for grabs.
DTD - UKOPs Player Standings
Player
Week 1
Week 2
Week 3
TOTAL
FlyingDagg
93
12
105
ZOED
14
94
108
POMFRITTES
28
96
124
K8LOU
60
68
128
POKEY2011
62
113
175
LARSON7
68
119
187
chubbers
86
118
204
TeddyBloat
66
165
231
STOKEFC
146
85
231
KEITH1960
192
93
285
FLASHJONNY
190
114
304
Red_King
98
0
TREMAYNE
183
0
haylez83
194
0
jeffter
250
0
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this is from orfy 1281 lol need more than luck
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancepne4me Big blind 400.00 400.00 17925.00 Your hole cards A A samantha25 Fold steelrod Raise 1200.00 1600.00 7450.00 FLASHJONNY Fold profman15 Fold betterha1f Fold harrowg Call 1200.00 2800.00 32446.25 Dixie_D Fold shilo68 Fold pne4me Call 800.00 3600.00 17125.00 Flop 6 2 A pne4me Bet 1800.00 5400.00 15325.00 steelrod Call 1800.00 7200.00 5650.00 harrowg Fold Turn 5 pne4me Check steelrod All-in 5650.00 12850.00 0.00 pne4me Call 5650.00 18500.00 9675.00 pne4me Show 9 A steelrod Show A A River 8 pne4me Win Flush to the Ace 18500.00 28175.00
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PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancebadbeatash Small blind 40.00 40.00 8704.00 steelrod Big blind 80.00 120.00 11145.00 Your hole cards 4 Q Brolanski Call 80.00 200.00 14503.75 pdavo100 Fold kosb14 Call 80.00 280.00 18246.00 joelly Fold badbeatash Fold steelrod Check Flop Q 4 9 steelrod Bet 160.00 440.00 10985.00 Brolanski Call 160.00 600.00 14343.75 kosb14 Fold Turn 10 steelrod Bet 560.00 1160.00 10425.00 Brolanski Call 560.00 1720.00 13783.75 River J steelrod Bet 480.00 2200.00 9945.00 Brolanski Call 480.00 2680.00 13303.75 steelrod Show 4 Q Brolanski Show 8 8 Brolanski Win Straight to the Queen 2680.00 15983.75
Nice cashes all.
Cash from me in last nights orfy
waller0202£66.23
Gl at the tables all
Sounds so sick, it's my worst nightmare going deep in a huge mtt and the internet cutting out.
Powercut is even worse!
Could you not go to a neighbours or something?
Hopefully the lack of updates means u won it allllll & r living it up somewhere very hot with ur winnings!
steelrod03£35.25
wd all on ya cashes
FlyingDagg03£6.80
Couple of little one for the captain....
4K Bounty Hunter
Cash from me in a £150 speed BH
waller0209£7.34 + £5.15 Head Prizes2
WHEELS7161800001£16kathleenis02£9.60db707403£6.40small win all count
£200 GTD
waller0202£63.80
Mini Primo
waller02023£14.11
£100 deepy
waller0206£11.66
£2500 freeroll
waller0216437.50£12.12
and bubble money from a £4k BH sat
waller0206£9.60
Bedtime!!
Nice one zoed - made up for you, very well played. I was in beddy byes early so couldn't rail i'm afraid.
Well done though taking it down.
Even more importantly
Here is a reminder of who is in with a shout for the UKOPs Prizes up for grabs.
You Must Play all three weeks...
7th Oct- DTD1, DTD2 & DTD3 (Best 2 Scores from 3) as per DTD Rules
14th Oct- DTD1, DTD2 & DTD3 (Best 2 Scores from 3) as per DTD Rules
21st Oct- DTD1, DTD2 & DTD3 (Best 2 Scores from 3) as per DTD Rules
Your best 2 scoring weeks from 3 will be added together and the 2 players with the lowest combined scores will win the prizes below.
1st Prize= £110.00 towards a UKOPs Main Event
2nd Prize = £55.00 towards a UKOPs Event
The winners will need to either email or PM me bank details to enable the prize funds to be transferred quickly to your account & in time for the start of UKOPs. (I can PM you my contact number, if you prefer not to send your details via email or PM) just let me know as quickly as possible.
Very Best of Luck ALL
Regards
Pokertrev
Rules.
Prizes will be awarded to existing TPT (Team Poker Titan) Players Only.
Incase of a draw...count down rules will apply as per DTD Rules
Transferred Prize funds must be used to play a UKOPs Event in Oct/Nov 2013
BEST OF LUCK ALL