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"Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary"

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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    Can I ask, I know you guys play higher levels than me but I've been playing the £3.15s mostly and is it normal to get people making absolutely terrible calls, or have I just been lucky and getting terrible opponents. There was one game where we were fairly short cos of blind increases (but still room to move), we both still had about 1000 each, think it was like 25/50, I raised pre with AK, 3bet small, i just stuck him all in and he called for basically his whole stack with 34s

    Is this normal at the low levels, if so, bring on the volume lol.
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  • freechips1freechips1
    edited January 2012
    Also, what would you advise anyone looking to start playing these would be the correct roll? I have my own ideas on this but wouls like your thoughts first.
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  • goldnballzgoldnballz
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    Can I ask, I know you guys play higher levels than me but I've been playing the £3.15s mostly and is it normal to get people making absolutely terrible calls, or have I just been lucky and getting terrible opponents. There was one game where we were fairly short cos of blind increases (but still room to move), we both still had about 1000 each, think it was like 25/50, I raised pre with AK, 3bet small, i just stuck him all in and he called for basically his whole stack with 34s Is this normal at the low levels, if so, bring on the volume lol.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Pretty standard that mate lol
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2012
    loads of Q's here folks, I will reply to every post in the morning but I'm playing myself atm.

    Brief replies....

    @ freechips I really have no idea about minimum bankroll requirements, for the last couple of years I've played games that r so far within my poker bankroll that it's never been something I've had to think about.

    Prob 100/150? Maybe more?

    But I doubt many ppl play hypers for a living or rely on hypers for a %age of their income. They'd be mad.

    @lambert..... Some of the calls you will see r mental obv, but some of them are also gonna be correct mathamatically according to the game situation, esp if ur on hypers.

    Sometimes 93s is a snap call facing a shove.

    This is something u need to incorporate into your own game also, make sure you're not calling to tight!

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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    Cheers JJ, wouldn't mind having a chat with you on msn or something at some point about the finer points of these. I've been sticking to Turbos by the way, not Hypers.

    Freechips, I'd wanna have about 100-150 buy-ins especially if you're just light multi-tabling. I'm breaking this rule a bit with my £220 BR but I don't wanna start any lower then £2 and £3 games and I aint going mad with loads of tables til I get more happy with my game.
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  • freechips1freechips1
    edited January 2012
    I agree 100 buyins.
    When i started playing these mid December i started with 100 buyins as i thought they could be super swingy.
    I have ran well so far but the swingy bit will hit soon enough.  I think for the £5 and < 50 buyins would be ok if your a good player.
    JJ you gonna update l8r/in the morn? can we have graphs aswel plz.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2012
    I'm tempted to tell u to shove your graphs up your a&rse sideways....

    but yeh, ill update in the morning.

    Had a small winning session tonight, but winning money and having a +ROI r different things....

    Im still in with a squeek !

    going ok in the 300 gtd velo atm, last game of the night. 
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    It does confuse me how you can be in profit and have a -ROI
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    It does confuse me how you can be in profit and have a -ROI
    Posted by Lambert180
    Well if you play 99 games @ £1 & lose them all your ROI over that sample is -100%, 

    Then your last game you play a £1,000 buy in & win you're massively in profit overall...., but it doesn't have the same impact on your ROI, as it's only 1 game in a 100 game sample where your ROI is +100%

    But over the 100 game sample your combined ROI is gonna be like -98% 

    Updates to follow when my head stops spinning
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  • freechips1freechips1
    edited January 2012
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2012
    OK, yesterdays session I decided to play only 10's with a few 5's when I was waiting too long for a game (hypers)

    Had a steady session which was just what I needed after Thursdays implosion.

    If I add yest's profit with a win I had on the horses on Sat (small stakes) & todays cash 4 points, then I'm back in profit for Jan.

    I know that's all b/s really & I'm still well down @ poker but mentally it's better for me to think like that. 

    UsernameGames PlayedAv. ProfitAv. StakeAv. ROITotal ProfitFormAbility /100NetworkFilter
    DOHHHHHHH  77$2  $14  11%$140  -N/ASkyPoker<1Day SNG Onlyx
    Graph

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/jan8th.png/ 

    -----

    Jan roi challenge results to follow............



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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2012
    sigh. this is depressing.....

    Ok updates for me & FC1 since Jan 1st.....

    UsernameGames PlayedAv. ProfitAv. StakeAv. ROITotal ProfitFormAbility /100NetworkFilter
    freechips1  165$3  $15  19%$478  -N/ASkyPoker1/1/2012 1/9/2012 Heads Up SNG Onlyx
    Graph



    And Dohhhhhh HU sng's in Jan....

    UsernameGames PlayedAv. ProfitAv. StakeAv. ROITotal ProfitFormAbility /100NetworkFilter
    DOHHHHHHH  222-$1  $19  0%-$235  -N/ASkyPoker1/1/2012 1/9/2012 Heads Up SNG Onlyx



    Graph



    ROI back to 0%!

    Boooooom! ;)

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  • freechips1freechips1
    edited January 2012
    You can still end up with a roi of 10%, if ya run golden
    19% roi is a bit sick.
    Thanks for posting the stats JJ, cant see how i will hit 750 games.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    You can still end up with a roi of 10%, if ya run golden 19% roi is a bit sick. Thanks for posting the stats JJ, cant see how i will hit 750 games.
    Posted by freechips1
    Y?

    R u playing only turbos?

    If you're striving for 750 games u can play sum micro hypers, they run as low as 1 quid buy ins.

    But if I were u I'd just carry on printing dosh like u are!!!

    Still gonna use 750 games as a personal goal.
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  • freechips1freechips1
    edited January 2012
    Played a few hypers but i think the edge you can have is smaller for the obv reasons.
    Still gonna keep 750 as a target just to force me to play.
    Can i keep up such a high ROI over a larger sample?
    This may sound a bit dumb but have you ever lost one of these on purpose?
    Played a few bad ish semi regs, if they lose 1 they quit.  If they win the first 1 they will then be happy to play a few. 
    Im sort of on the fence with this as i dont wanna lose a game but if they will then play another 7.  thoughts?
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : Well if you play 99 games @ £1 & lose them all your ROI over that sample is -100%,  Then your last game you play a £1,000 buy in & win you're massively in profit overall...., but it doesn't have the same impact on your ROI, as it's only 1 game in a 100 game sample where your ROI is +100% But over the 100 game sample your combined ROI is gonna be like -98%  Updates to follow when my head stops spinning
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I thought it was a case of (using your example), investment = £1099, then your return is £2000 (from that 1 game) so you're won twice what you invested so you're return on investment must surely be positive. Where am I going wrong?
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  • splashiessplashies
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : I thought it was a case of (using your example), investment = £1099, then your return is £2000 (from that 1 game) so you're won twice what you invested so you're return on investment must surely be positive. Where am I going wrong?
    Posted by Lambert180
    Because on skope its the Average ROI. So you take the average of, 99 times of -100% and the 1 time 90% (i think thats what 1 win is)
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    Just got in a nice quick session, 9 games all against the same guy (£3.15s) and I won 6 of them.

    Funny because I was gonna post here and say that no-one ever wants to play me more than once, they always reject my rematch offer, but this guy just kept coming back for more.

    Had a bit of a losing session the other day but my tally overall now stands at:

    Played   59
    Won      35
    Profit     £20.45
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    Just got in a nice quick session, 9 games all against the same guy (£3.15s) and I won 6 of them. Funny because I was gonna post here and say that no-one ever wants to play me more than once, they always reject my rematch offer, but this guy just kept coming back for more. Had a bit of a losing session the other day but my tally overall now stands at: Played   59 Won      35 Profit     £20.45
    Posted by Lambert180
    How r u finding the ratio between time invested & profit made compared to playing nl4?

    Or is that a pointless question?

    I'd deffo suggest that any competent players who 'should' be "too good for nl4" use the HU sng route to help build a bankroll as ur edge is just so big and it should be alot quicker,.....

    ------

    Must admit I'm becoming abit bored with the hypers, that's alot down to the disaster I had last week taking shots, I know kinda feel I can't go any further with them, even though I know I can and the shot taking thing was all my fault....

    But it's a mental game and I'm questioning myself alot.

    Might switch to some cash tonight for a change but dunno, still gotta get 750 games in.


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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : How r u finding the ratio between time invested & profit made compared to playing nl4? Or is that a pointless question? I'd deffo suggest that any competent players who 'should' be "too good for nl4" use the HU sng route to help build a bankroll as ur edge is just so big and it should be alot quicker,..... ------ Must admit I'm becoming abit bored with the hypers, that's alot down to the disaster I had last week taking shots, I know kinda feel I can't go any further with them, even though I know I can and the shot taking thing was all my fault.... But it's a mental game and I'm questioning myself alot. Might switch to some cash tonight for a change but dunno, still gotta get 750 games in.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Well as you've basically said yourself, the difference in terms of time/profit is pretty big. I got them 9 games against that guy done in maybe 30-40 mins ish (1tabling against him), so only took me that amount of time to win 2 BIs at 4nl, and that's 1tabling compared to my 4-6tabling of cash. Not to mention the obvious much faster poker points but that doesnt make a big difference to me.

    Reckon it could be quite lucrative, obviously when you can win fast, you can also lose fast, but I aint come up against a single player yet where I've been feeling under pressure.
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  • freechips1freechips1
    edited January 2012
    Not been going well over the past few days.  Hows it been for you?
    After seeing the thread about tracking software not too sure about playing HU.  If any of the torbo HU regs have been using this they will have a massive edge.
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : Well as you've basically said yourself, the difference in terms of time/profit is pretty big. I got them 9 games against that guy done in maybe 30-40 mins ish (1tabling against him), so only took me that amount of time to win 2 BIs at 4nl, and that's 1tabling compared to my 4-6tabling of cash. Not to mention the obvious much faster poker points but that doesnt make a big difference to me. Reckon it could be quite lucrative, obviously when you can win fast, you can also lose fast, but I aint come up against a single player yet where I've been feeling under pressure.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Hey there Lambyboy, I suck at heads up, but  want to play vs you, first to 5 wins @ either £2.10 or £3.15?

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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : Hey there Lambyboy, I suck at heads up, but  want to play vs you, first to 5 wins @ either £2.10 or £3.15?
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    Hi Fail, I'm well up for that. I can't do tonight but I can do any weekday evening from abuot 7pm onwards. I've been playing the £3.15 ones but I don't mind if you wanna go a bit smaller at £2.10. I'm still pretty new to these myself and HU in general so I wouldn't give me too much respect lol... if I shove, I've got it ;)
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  • freechips1freechips1
    edited January 2012
    Hows it going for JJ?
    Half way into the month and i seem to be standing still.  I havent become bored with these yet, just getting me down a little that im not making any money.
    Any chance of a update?
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  • nug82nug82
    edited January 2012
    probebly the most stupid question you have been asked. what is ROI?
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27
    edited January 2012
    Return On Investment.

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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    probebly the most stupid question you have been asked. what is ROI?
    Posted by nug82
    As Acidman said, it's Return On Investment, which is profit divided by outlay. Sharkscope using a stupid "Average" ROI which is the average of each individual ROI which is silly when poker is a long term game...
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : As Acidman said, it's Return On Investment, which is profit divided by outlay. Sharkscope using a stupid "Average" ROI which is the average of each individual ROI which is silly when poker is a long term game...
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    I agree on the SS ROI thing... after someone explaining to me why you can be in profit and still have a negative ROI, I never understood it because it isn't possible (if you actually worked out ROI properly) but yeah.

    So do you want a few HU games fail?
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : I agree on the SS ROI thing... after someone explaining to me why you can be in profit and still have a negative ROI, I never understood it because it isn't possible (if you actually worked out ROI properly) but yeah. So do you want a few HU games fail?
    Posted by Lambert180
    Hey Lamby, I'm trying to get a decent DYM session in tonight, but I can play either tomorrow or Wednesday : )
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update*:
    In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" *Shot taking disaster & ROI challenge update* : Hey Lamby, I'm trying to get a decent DYM session in tonight, but I can play either tomorrow or Wednesday : )
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    Ok no worries, well good luck with your DYMs.

    I was well annoyed abuot 30 mins ago, booted up 3 x £3.15 HU games and my computer bloody froze for ages and the speed of the blinds if someone just raises every hand once they see you're away, it takes a matter of minutes to win one like that so I just lost 3 quick out of my control.
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