You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.
You might need to refresh your page afterwards.
Sky Poker forums will be temporarily unavailable from 11pm Wednesday July 25th.
Sky Poker Forums is upgrading its look! Stay tuned for the big reveal!
the very last time
I have played on skypoker since a few weeks after its launch, In that time I have seen many changes but as much as i hate to say it this last change is one too many.
As we all know and sky freely admits the hands we play when on line are enhanced and as lovers of the game we accept that fact and put up with some of the frustratingly annoying situations we find ourselves in with regards to Bad Beats as an occupational hazard and a price we pay for having 24hr a day access to the game we love. In the past I like the rest of you have groaned at the suckout and runner runner defeats and cheered when on OCCASION Ive been behind and caught a 2or 1 outer to inflict the same pain on others.
However and this is where I cant take it anymore, We now find ourselves in a situation where people are willfully and in some cases ONLY calling/jamiing from behind to win pots. This would normally be an ideal situation for any self respecting poker player of ability but i fear that the software has now gone too far in favour of the poorer player. I feel Sky are missing the bigger picture in allowing the software to reward the shocking play as reguarlaly as it does. I have played this game for 12 years now and found that only through losing my money/seat that i became a better player. When Chris Moneymaker won the wsop qualifying through pokerstars they saw their turnover go through the roof as a player with their logo was beamed into the lives of millions of poker addicts. It seems to me sky are happy with the money being generated at present but their lack of vision in not educating players to become better and maybe one day be sat opposite Ivey for a main event bracelet and is letting down the patrons of this site. I have nothing against any of TSP, Scotty77 is a player i watched rise and occasionally advised in the early days but there seems to be a higher blind club dominating the team and i would happily put up a few of the players lower down against many of them. But these players will never get a chance to shine because skys rng doesnt give them the wins their play deserves cos they are getting it in ahead and being outdrawn a disproportionate number of times. I wont bother with my own experiences of the last 2 weeks on here because basically im sick of hearing the word "Variance" used in discussions of this nature. For those of you who know me and met me at spt events i thankyou for the games and conversations we have shared but unfortunately I would still like my poker to improve and that isnt going to happen on this site so for me its adios and goodluck and i hope sky open their eyes to the bigger picture and one day im watching you check raise ivey for the main event.
As we all know and sky freely admits the hands we play when on line are enhanced and as lovers of the game we accept that fact and put up with some of the frustratingly annoying situations we find ourselves in with regards to Bad Beats as an occupational hazard and a price we pay for having 24hr a day access to the game we love. In the past I like the rest of you have groaned at the suckout and runner runner defeats and cheered when on OCCASION Ive been behind and caught a 2or 1 outer to inflict the same pain on others.
However and this is where I cant take it anymore, We now find ourselves in a situation where people are willfully and in some cases ONLY calling/jamiing from behind to win pots. This would normally be an ideal situation for any self respecting poker player of ability but i fear that the software has now gone too far in favour of the poorer player. I feel Sky are missing the bigger picture in allowing the software to reward the shocking play as reguarlaly as it does. I have played this game for 12 years now and found that only through losing my money/seat that i became a better player. When Chris Moneymaker won the wsop qualifying through pokerstars they saw their turnover go through the roof as a player with their logo was beamed into the lives of millions of poker addicts. It seems to me sky are happy with the money being generated at present but their lack of vision in not educating players to become better and maybe one day be sat opposite Ivey for a main event bracelet and is letting down the patrons of this site. I have nothing against any of TSP, Scotty77 is a player i watched rise and occasionally advised in the early days but there seems to be a higher blind club dominating the team and i would happily put up a few of the players lower down against many of them. But these players will never get a chance to shine because skys rng doesnt give them the wins their play deserves cos they are getting it in ahead and being outdrawn a disproportionate number of times. I wont bother with my own experiences of the last 2 weeks on here because basically im sick of hearing the word "Variance" used in discussions of this nature. For those of you who know me and met me at spt events i thankyou for the games and conversations we have shared but unfortunately I would still like my poker to improve and that isnt going to happen on this site so for me its adios and goodluck and i hope sky open their eyes to the bigger picture and one day im watching you check raise ivey for the main event.
Comments
And this is where we completely differ. I stated in my origianal post that all sites admit to having enhanced hands and miracle out beats are a sadly very often occurance on ALL sites, however with the current siuation at SKY it is by far and away the worst for these miracle hands. I urge all of you to go and look at Poker Rview sites and other Forums in the larger poker community and read for yourself what reputation sky currently has and make your own mind up regarding wether we are getting a rougher deal than others.As I know you know I was playing on other sites before you played your first hand of poker Scotty and feel it is from a position of strength that i make my case. Scotty where are all the players we used to play with JARVE, NEWBIE0807,FELLY11,LUKE840,FLUSH????? they are elsewhere along with 1000s of others that found playing here too extreme for the swings. These people are proper poker people and are all still playing just elsewhere which when you consider how much profit they made on here speaks volumes for the current state of affairs here.
Look around the forums the chatboxes during play and witness the discontent at the consistentency of the best hand never holding up,Of the Unfoldable Big stack hitting miracles during early stages of MTTS,its worse now then it has ever been and I get no pleasure at all in saying that.
Whatever site I will now generate a considerabe amount of Rake for I will experience the same enhancement but not to the level I have been experiencing of late on here.
Scotty Im more pleased than ANY other player on here for your current staus as a TSP player as I know its something youve wanted for a long long time, but please mate you know me,I know my stuff and I can play, Sadly though it will no longer be here.
Im sorry but i cant agree with you about these clever fish you say exist here and the hand i pointed out to you as an example of ignorance highlights this lack of intelligence.In his own words "ACES WONT WIN ITS NOT HOLLYWOOD ENOUGH" I believe proves the current mentality on here.By his own admission he had me on the correct hand and if hes gambling with me being an 88.08% favourite then i should be delighted but sadly he knew what i knew when he spun his hand over that he would hit one of the 2 reamiaing 10s for the "HOLLYWOOD" hand. I learned how to play the hard way through the loss of cold hard cash,If he misses and plays the same hand 100 times and lose 88.08 or close to it he would surely learn that actually A) I shouldnt have called the re raise effectively k high and (b) this kind of action causes me to lose more often then win.He has improved his game and can use this thought process in other areas of his play.
That said it is his money and his right to gamble it as he sees fit,but these players are hitting this kind of draw far far too often.This feeling is not mine alone but shared by a very large number of players still here and many many more that no longer frequent the site.
I Play on many other sites and I get no pleasure in saying that getting it in as such an overwhelming favourite and being sucked out on is very common on all other sites but I played on here for a living and if i won 60% of the large pots I played then the time invested(which at times was considerable) was worth the in-accuracy of the true odds of which i should be winning without enhancement which as i stated i am happy to accept.
The problem is i find now on sky im only winning in the same situations 50% of pots im playing which after rake deductions means i am making little if any money on a daily weekly basis. This I am unwilling to accept this in a crowded market with so much choice availiable.
I have never used any poker software as I consider myself a proper poker man and software wont help me at opposite Dolyle in the wsop so ive never considered it.
I have loved and hated this site with equal measure at times but have always came back to it due to the people and layout but sadly i feel the consistent rewarding of these players is not only intolerable to me as purist but also depriving players of learning how to play this game correctly which when done so is a thing of intelligence,skill,and beauty which i think is the biggest crime of all.
Good Luck at the tables Phil.
Can I ask what you mean by "sky freely admits the hands we play when on line are enhanced" and later "all sites admit to having enhanced hands"?
many thanks
I know there will be plenty out there who agree and disagree with my view in equal measure but thats all it is.
A view An observation and a reflection of my feelings as to how bad its got on here.
I dont see why SKY would delete any of this thread as they or anyone else can correct me where they feel im wrong and if it does get deleted then I hope those that have read it ask them why.
This is an important issue for all lovers of the game not just conspiracy theorists.
Good Luck at the tables.
The mentality which sadly cost you your tourney is all too common these days and will continue to flourish while this type of play isnt punished.I have stated several times that ALL sites are encouraging this type of player not just SKY and until the software on them all returns to pre poker boom levels this will only increase.
I am no dinosaur at 37 and will adjust my game to the player im playing regardless of on line or live and if i lose well then i lose but what the on line poker sites have created is a generation of "UNFOLDABLE'S" whos lazy and warped sense of poker play is rewarded instead of being chastiised leading to this sorry state of affairs the game we love is in. I know I'm fighting a battle I cant win and will be derided for my opinion on skys software but to sit in silence any longer while this is going on is the greater of the 2 evils.
This post is an educated version of " The action hands on here defy the odds".I sugguested quite some time back that this site barely resembles the site i was playing on 5 years ago.(Not the people the hands).
I sugguested the hands were pre-made and at times it was impossible to fold even though you had a feeling you were about to be suruptitiously dumped out of the tourney by runner runner flush or a 2 outer.
My angle was to be aware of this fact and adjust your poker accordingly, example 7 left, money is paid at 5 and you are dealt JJ UTG.This to me is final table time and your jacks will not hold up against anyone with a raggy aces and bigger chip stack.I ditch them everytime.
People were horified and sugguested this was just AWFUL advice and i should learn how to play better poker.
It seems to me that we all have our ways of accepting or adapting i just feel that you have to find yours mate. The site will not change, they proved this when they made even BH's rebuys it is purely about profit.
It is still fun and far cheaper than going down the pub,I am never gonna get rich from sky poker but due to the way the hands fall now i am never going to tempted to play the bigger stake tourneys so they will not get rich from me.I only play £1-£2 games and am well over a ton up this mouth which is nice (actually 200 but 100 was cash so doesn't count)I am brilliant at cash games but seem to play them just 1 hand too long...most will understand
I accept that the hands defy the odds way to often on here and because of that i do play differently... wether that's right or wrong i don't Know. My Sharkscope tells me i am playing sky Poker for free and I just love poker so i'm gonna stick around.
sad to see you go
Oink
There is a part of the site that when you first turn it on says "log in". For those who think anything is wrong here all you have to do is just dont log in and for those who think something is wrong and still log in then you only have yourself to blame.
The day might come when facts come out that online poker i rigged etc etc but until that day i will continue playing because my view is that it isnt fixed in anyway and if it was fixed i must be one of the luckiest players in the world because even though i have suffered countless badbeats and one outer suckouts on the river over the 7-8 years i have been playing it i have still managed to make a very good living out of playing online poker.
What i would say though is that if anyone is dead set on the fact it is fixed then you are better off not playing the game at all because thoughts like that can only damage your own game and stop you from playing the game correctly.
Imo the most successful online poker players are the ones who can just ride the wave when the badbeats come and continue robotlike knowing its only variance but it takes allsorts of people to make a world and not everyone is cutout to be a online poker player.
Best of luck to everyone.
Jenny.
The truth of the matter is this that most on line players will make different decisions behind the anoynimity of a screen and the safety net of generous software than they would in real live play. I can say this because I have played many SKY poker regualars at various events live and its amazing how the fish who wont fold 47os on here wont blink without a pp or a big ace live.
We are all on here to play poker and have fun for some not necessarily in that order but its a shame that your experiences have left you with the view you and many others have and in my opinion it doesnt have to be the case if the enhancement and miracle hits were reduced by 25%.
As you say 5 years ago this wasnt happening, the same number of players were still in my view making ridiculous calls and i thank them for it because as SCOTTY77 stated it was a goldmine on here.
Im afraid we will never see another IVANOVIC go through the blinds at every level to sit at £5/£10 blinds which is a pity because i know for many watching a player they played with at lower levels achieve what he did in that time inspired many to take chances and leave the comfort zone of their current blind level. because the swings due to the idiocy rewarded will frustrate them so much that (a)they wont take the chance (b)they will get fed up and go elsewhere
Then sky will be left as they currently are with 15 tables above £1/£2 with one player sat at them because they wont play eachother and the same donks taking money off of decent players at every level from 25p/50p down.
fun it no longer is.
Good Luck at the Tables Snorky
Your right i like everyone else do not have to play here as it isnt the only game in town but one enhanced site for another where my 90% hand gets outdrawn to runner runner comes down to preference and i like all ther aspects of the Sky set up so this has been my site of choice.
I would like you to define your term of fixed as it isnt a term i have used or accused any site of,My issue has been of a FACT in that enhancement exists in all on line poker but feel the enhancement here has reached for me personally an unacceptable level.
with respect to riding the wave i have taken many thousands from this site and believe me I can ride with the best of em when its my mistake or being beat a statistically proportionate time to the odds of the hand.
as for not everyone is cut out to be an online poker player you are correct but I am one and was for a living for around 6 years. This is the place Ive enjoyed playing the most watching SCOTTY,DAVEYZZ,GERARD9,SHARKSBITE,and many others ive been fortunate and privelleged enough to go through the blinds with makes it hard for me to leave but feel the current status qou needs addressing.
I wish you luck and I thankyou for your comment but like I say this is my view and though i wish I could convince you and others so that the shout is loud enough to be heard by those that have the power to change it,I accept that I cant and as theo pappithis would say "and for that reason I'm out"
Sounds like polititian speak to me ...trying to find a word like enhanced but not enhanced ...changed erm no, interfered with erm no, ajusted erm no, Fixed that's the one.Is a fruit machine random? no but do i still play it yes, can i still win on it yes I can.
My point and has always been the same,the cards are not fixed in anyones favour (ergo you could argue site is not fixed at all), but that the cards are not truly random 100000000 or more pre made hands many of which will induce action.You can fold or raise and utimately bet size will have a massive impact on the outcome but if for instance the true odds of quads is say 1000000/1 and you see them on average every 250,000 hands for a year something somewhere has been enhanced.Not in my favour not in your favour but enhanced all the same.
I hope you agree that this would takeaway some of the advantage that skill and experience have if the hands are enhanced in anyway at all.
I just agree with others that the hands defy the odds far too often too be considered free from any sort of programming.Yet again only my opiniion, i have been wrong lots before and on the positive side i absolutely had exactly the same opinion as you have and did for quite some time.Sky is not rigged towards anyone and is fun, I play and will continue playing.I like the word enhanced it brilliant.
snorky
On the other hand, perhaps this is just variance and they were all due within a 15 miute period? lol
It was a sequence of what happened in the 2 week period prior,his explanation for his actions and a hand that knocked me out of a bounty hunter on monday night that led me to this decision to leave.
a raise from 50 to 300 was made by PEG1 in my view (and it is just my view) a player i have many notes on none of which are too complimentary shall we say.I call with KQos from SB and BB also calls.FLOP is 10 J A rainbow as i sit pondering how i get paid here PEG1 shoves he has 75 chips more than me and the player in the BB.I call with nuts and find the player behind also calls for his stack and bounty.
Now lets face it this is dream stuff for any player the cards come over and to my disappointment the bb caller also has KQ still we are taking PEG1 out and as i have 50 more than bb im getting a bounty!!!!!!
NO im not PEg had raised and shoved on that flop with Kd3d, hands up waht the next 2 cards were??????
yep 4d 7d making a running flush for yet another player with no concept of poker he gets 9k and 2 bounties and that was the one that broke the camels back.
I believe in my poker ability and would like most others who play back myself against any opponent in a pure game but it was becoming increasingly obvious that the enhancement was too tilted in favour of the idiots(again just my view im sure PEG1 is a lovely person and maybe very bright away from the table) and dare i say it but i was also noticing in hands I was in and Hands I wasnt in that the first person to raise was hitting miracles an awful lot.
I love this game and no donks or software will ever stop me from playing but what they will do is stop me from playing here sadly.
as you said a divorce is now unavoidable but like all divorcing couples theres the what to do with the kids being left behind and i could have just gone and said nothing on here but there are too many good players and players whos play deserves better than they are getting through no fault of their own.
Good Luck mate.
I am amazed to here this if it is right as i was under the total impression that everything was supposed to be random or as close to random as something man made could be ?
Sorry if i came across as being harsh and none feeling for you but over the years i have seen and heard so many players saying sites are fixed and things like "when they withdraw cash they lose etc etc" that i just think to myself why do you even play then ?
Obvi there will be a small % of those players like yourself who are winning players and have just had enough of the badbeats etc or like in your case believe it to be happening for some other reason but i have to look at my own experiance online and ive played alot of different sites over the years and apart from when i was just learning the game i have made cash at about the same ratio whichever site i have been on, so for me saying one is better than another just dosnt seem right unless you were speaking of the graphics and table layouts etc but not the actual enhancment of hands.
You seem a very clued up guy and i also think your puting this on here in order to help others and bring what you believe to be right to peoples attention but from my side of things like i said in other post ive done well online over the years and in the short time ive played on sky have also done well here and i feel that if somethings not broken why try to fix it.
If anything i would say sky is better than the others because its the only site ive ever seen where they actually take the time to try and help players to become better players so leaving this site would be -EV imo.
I wish you the best of luck though and like i said this is only my opinion
Jenny.x.
On my second day in Vegas, I got it in with AA v KK and QQ aipf. Raggy board Q turn K river
One room I played in had a 'high hand jackpot....think to qualify it was quads or better using both hole cards.
Man scoops with 22 on a 22K flop. Gets 100$ for his good fortune.
The very next hand he has 22 on a 22Q flop. Gets another 100$
5 mins later the lady next to him flops a straight flush with T6cc.
20 mins later I flop quad 9s with 99.
Then the same lady who flopped a straight flush then rivered a royal flush.
These happened with an hour. I played in this room for probably another 20 hours or so during my stay and didn't see another high hand winner.
I saw loads of 'action' hands when I was out there...no more frequent on infrequent than online.
lol @ 7.77 I was such a fish
Its the people on here as well as the layout and the incredible amount of bad calls made here that kept me here for so long and the banter i enjoyed on tables with the likes of SCOTTY for 12 hours a day that made playing here the happiest of my poker life.
Sky owe me nothing they have provided me with fantastic moments and a considerably healthier bank balance than i ever thought it would when i started here and I say this as i would to any old friend whos in danger of missing the bigger picture please stop with the madness before this place and the people who frequent it get to a stage where it and they disappear.
Too many good players have left and been replaced with people who need educating and as i said to SCOTTY Sky in my view lead the on line poker world in the respect of the coverage and help you can get. But all the analysts,pros,and guests in the world dont seem to be able to get these people to fold or think about what they are doing when sat at these tables and because despite all the advice given these people are winning and when your winning you dont change your play and when your winning with luck your missing the fundamentals of a game which in my opinion is 85% skill and 15% luck this sadly doesnt translate to what we are witnessing.
best of luck to you Jenny your opinion even if different is greatly respected.
First: 2/5/2010
Last: 20/9/2011
Hand History #416362089 (18:45 20/09/2011)