Can't do it anymore

N1VEK

This is nothing that hasn't been said before...........

Online poker is 100% fixed

It is pointless showing you the Hands as we have all had them but I've just walked into Monsters 6 times in a row and no one can convince me that it is not fixed and that's just a run of bad luck, nobody can be that unlucky JJ into KK, 666 into AAA on the flop, KK into AA and then lets not forget the ones you are well out in front and get SHAFTED on the turn or the river or better still Runner Runner.

In the last 3 weeks I've deposited around £550 on online poker and only played 5p-10p and a couple of times 10p-20p, that's well within the varients of a good Bankroll for that level, I play pretty tight and some would say very tight, playing between 15% - 20% of hands, with my hands if it's possible I bet 4 or 5 times big blind, if I catch on the flop I bet at least pot sized bets when I don't I bet slightly less, When I believe I'm in fron I bet big, get called get shafted by what some say miracle cards, I could handle Miracle cards but miracles are supposed to be a rare occurance.

I'm giving up online poker now as I believe it is fixed to the point of Stealing our hard earned cash and £550 is a fair chunk of cash to GIVE away because most of the time you don't even get any game time, 3 hands this morning first hand of each table I have JJ, KK & AA all cracked I can handle the JJ being cracked but the others getting cracked as often as they do by numpties that can't find the fold button and catch that miracle on the river is just mind boggling.

Anyone's thoughts would be appreciated

N1VEK

pod1

good morning and happy x mas to start with. nivek first things first that is a bad run for sure but there must be some big big leaks in your game to lose 50 odd buy ins in 3 weeks. we all run bad from time to time  (ive had 30 in a mnth) but when you go back over hands a very big% will be down to your play.

my suggestion would be to post some hands up in the clinic, dont post them up as "bad beats" and "woe me "posts, but do it in a constructive manor. there are plenty of people there that will help you. good luck sir and i hope you take any advice on board.   phil

spornybol

as pod 1 says when i first started i knew i had leeks in my game and still do, so the poker clinic is the perfect place for help, i know i moan ( a weee bit). but area 51 wouldn`t be same. i just whine and moan to give everyone a laugh. i never really take my beats seriously as i know what goes around comes around ( dam my secret`s out). merry xmas  

N1VEK

Thanks Phil, but To be Honest, I have to work far too hard for my money to simply give it away, I can't bring myself to deposit anymore, I know this may sound a little conceited but I don't believe there are anywhere near 50 buy in's of bad play, I could probably account for maybe at most 5% through tilting but that's it, I have never been a lucky person and don't believe that playing at those levels is much more than luck, and I certainly can't afford to go up levels to find out it is pretty much the system than the players that are wrong althogh this example is all about the player

Tell me if there is a leak in this, My stack is £75, on a 10p- 20p table, I have 99 on the button, there are 3 limpers before me, I raise to £1.50, 1 caller on the BB, he has £90 in his stack, 777 comes on the flop, I bet the pot which is £3.70 thinking don't go overboard he may have a bigger pocket pair, He Calls, a 9 comes down on the turn, Now I hope he has a bigger pair, I Check hopefully he's going to bet, he does £10 I re-raise to £20 he goes all in, I call a 4 comes down on the river, and he has 7 4 off suit with a 7.5 x the BB pre-flop raise and catches Quads

So to be honest this is disgusting
 
But again thanks for your input

N1VEK

N1VEK

spornybol Thank you for that but I can't afford to wait for what comes around, goes around, I've done as much money as I'm going too, I stopped playing a few years back for the same reasons as i'm stopping now, I have not lost confidence in my game, I play a lot live (Locally) and do ok I've lost confidence in the Integrity of online poker (Simples)

unknown_username

In Response to Can't do it anymore:

This is nothing that hasn't been said before........... Online poker is 100% fixed It is pointless showing you the Hands as we have all had them but I've just walked into Monsters 6 times in a row and no one can convince me that it is not fixed and that's just a run of bad luck, nobody can be that unlucky JJ into KK, 666 into AAA on the flop, KK into AA and then lets not forget the ones you are well out in front and get SHAFTED on the turn or the river or better still Runner Runner. In the last 3 weeks I've deposited around £550 on online poker and only played 5p-10p and a couple of times 10p-20p, that's well within the varients of a good Bankroll for that level, I play pretty tight and some would say very tight, playing between 15% - 20% of hands, with my hands if it's possible I bet 4 or 5 times big blind, if I catch on the flop I bet at least pot sized bets when I don't I bet slightly less, When I believe I'm in fron I bet big, get called get shafted by what some say miracle cards, I could handle Miracle cards but miracles are supposed to be a rare occurance. I'm giving up online poker now as I believe it is fixed to the point of Stealing our hard earned cash and £550 is a fair chunk of cash to GIVE away because most of the time you don't even get any game time, 3 hands this morning first hand of each table I have JJ, KK & AA all cracked I can handle the JJ being cracked but the others getting cracked as often as they do by numpties that can't find the fold button and catch that miracle on the river is just mind boggling. Anyone's thoughts would be appreciated N1VEK
Posted by N1VEK

There are a lot of considerations to take account with regard to your results:

The amount you have deposited is, to a large degree, irrelevent although that's not a sum of money that any recreational player would want to drop. The important figure is how much you've wagered in total (number of times you've turned this over) and the total number of hands you've played - if you're playing cash all of this can be pulled from the hand histories (just copy and paste the data into a spreadsheet). You can then determine the average bet per hand, the amount you're losing on hands you fold and the amount you win on the hands you contest. And then there's the effect of the rake - although it's always advertised as a %age of the pot (5% or 7.5%? can't recall), when you measure it as a %age of the PROFIT on your winning hands it's a great deal higher. From all of this you can determine your overall win/(loss) rate as a %age of the amount wagered.

With my results, I also isolate the data on those hands where I've lost 50 big blinds or more and analyse what went on. In my own case, just half a percent of hands played (33/6,766) on the cash tables account for more than the total of all of my cash losses to date (around 20 Buy-ins, 2,000 BBs). Of these, I'm content that over 3/4 are just down to bad luck/variance (call it what you will) and I would play them exactly the same way again. I remember one instance where I lost out to a 45-1 draw on the river (oppo could only draw one card to take the pot after I'd shoved with everything in front of me after the turn - it happened).

Now, having analysed my results, and my 20 Buy-Ins losses, at length have I drawn the conclusion that the site is rigged? No - I don't believe it is. The results from 6,766 doesn't prove anything.What it has done is to highlight to me the degree of variance in the game, together with the effect of the rake. As a result I don't play cash tables anymore - the variance effect on my meagre pile of pennies is too great. I now stick with the fixed fee DYMs which are fun and where a run of bad hands isn't going to be so grim £££s wise. If you buy in for £2.25, the most you can lose to a bad beat is £2.25.

I don't usually hand out advice (I'm certainly not a skilled enough poker player to do so) but I would suggest analysing your hand histories in detail. If you're not too hot with spreadsheets, find a bright young student at the local sixth form college (preferably one studying maths) who can build you a spreadsheet for a few pints. Bearing in mind what you've already lost, £20 in beer is, I would suggest, a good investment in finding out what has gone wrong.

Best wishes for Christmas and better cards in future.

djblacke04

4000-1 if u are interested by the way...

happy xmas

SolarCarro

Will address 2 points

You claim in opening post online poker is fixed, go to your hand example, how did Sky know the villian would call your raise with 74? If this is fixed surely they have fixed it in your favour as they knew 99 is playable

Why are you raising 7.5 x ? The accepted norm is about 2.1 to 3 x this is a big overbet and smells of someone who doesnt want a call, in cash plenty will see a flop in these circumstances

You bet the pot not going overboard as he may have a bigger pair, so again you were considering an overbet, the check raise is strong play and would get rid of him if he didnt have the nuts.

you are very unlucky but I would look at your bet sizing, maybe take the time off from online play to watch a few videos or use a training site, plenty offer a free month, remember online is different to live especially cash poker, internet play is a lot looser

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

. . . .My stack is £75, on a 10p- 20p table, I have 99 on the button, there are 3 limpers before me, I raise to £1.50, 1 caller on the BB, he has £90 in his stack, 777 comes on the flop, I bet the pot which is £3.70 thinking don't go overboard he may have a bigger pocket pair, He Calls, a 9 comes down on the turn, Now I hope he has a bigger pair, I Check hopefully he's going to bet, he does £10 I re-raise to £20 he goes all in, I call a 4 comes down on the river, and he has 7 4 off suit with a 7.5 x the BB pre-flop raise and catches Quads So to be honest this is disgusting   But again thanks for your input N1VEK
Posted by N1VEK

He led out with a bluf and got (very) lucky - the odds of flopping a quad off of two odd cards are over 9,000-1. I've had it just once in almost a year of playing. You lost almost four Buy-Ins on one hand. All down to style of course, but with three of a kind on the board all of a sudden a FH doesn't look so great? Sometimes for the sake of good money management, it's better to throw a winning hand (you think) away rather than play it, even with the smallest window of risk. Exactly the same has happened to me before, and I now think twice about staying in a hand with a set on the board, regardless of what I'm holding - unless of course I'm holding the fourth card.

One of the improvements to my game over the last twelve months or so is that when deciding whether to contest a hand or not I now consider both ways - what I stand to win if I play AND what I won't lose if I don't. It's made a big difference to my results.

tapeworm

you say it isnt your play but, to lose £550 at (mostly) 5p/20p is 55 buy ins in 3 weeks. I play 2/4p and its the equvilent of me losing £220 quid in the same amount of time. To me that is utterly unfathomable.....either this is the worst of bad runs or there is something glaringly wrong in your approach.

I would be interested to find out if any of the regular (including baggs and seagull) players on the site have ever lost 55 buy ins or more in 3 weeks or less??

walesboy

I also play at nl4 and nl8 where the play is very very loose at times, and to lose the equivalent would take some doing even though I am more recreational at the moment. The spreadsheet advice is very good. I use something similar which along with a few other things has helped me plug a number of leaks.
Before that I had had some downswings of 20-30 BIs when nothing was going right. I posted hands in the clinic and took advice from the likes of Irishrover and Dohhhhhh (although some times it took a while to get through!) and this included taking a break. I don't know how good I am now (probably not very) but I am better than I was!

But you must be doing some things right as you had £75 stack on nl20 table and then the guy got very lucky. Maybe if you get a BI or 2 up you stop? You might be losing value/profit if you do but at least your roll will move in the right direction. I did it for a bit until my confidence improved.

good luck

EvilPingu

Having read the other posts on this thread, the best advice I can give you would be to post some of your hands in the Poker Clinic, and people will give feedback on whether you've played the hand badly or whether it is all just pure bad luck as you say.

Also, have a look through your hand history. Everybody will get lucky or unlucky from time to time, but we all remember the times where we get a bad beat, and forget when we make an awful call and hit a 2 outer on the river. There'll almost certainly be a couple of hands there where you've got your money in behind and got lucky, it doesn't just happen to your opponents.

I know this post probably sounds a lot like I'm saying "You're just a bad player", but that's not the case - it would be wrong for me to assume that having never seen you play before. However, to lose 55 buy-ins @ NL10 in 3 weeks is pretty unusual, and in most cases, that'd be down to a combination of both bad play and bad luck.

Stick some hands up in the Poker Clinic, let people have a look at some of your hands, get feedback and see what you think - You've got nothing to lose by doing that, and whether you choose to continue playing on Sky afterwards, or not trust the software and play elsewhere, it will at least help improve your game, for free

Seagull158

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

Thanks Phil, but To be Honest, I have to work far too hard for my money to simply give it away, I can't bring myself to deposit anymore, I know this may sound a little conceited but I don't believe there are anywhere near 50 buy in's of bad play, I could probably account for maybe at most 5% through tilting but that's it, I have never been a lucky person and don't believe that playing at those levels is much more than luck, and I certainly can't afford to go up levels to find out it is pretty much the system than the players that are wrong althogh this example is all about the player Tell me if there is a leak in this, My stack is £75, on a 10p- 20p table, I have 99 on the button, there are 3 limpers before me, I raise to £1.50, 1 caller on the BB, he has £90 in his stack, 777 comes on the flop, I bet the pot which is £3.70 thinking don't go overboard he may have a bigger pocket pair, He Calls, a 9 comes down on the turn, Now I hope he has a bigger pair, I Check hopefully he's going to bet, he does £10 I re-raise to £20 he goes all in, I call a 4 comes down on the river, and he has 7 4 off suit with a 7.5 x the BB pre-flop raise and catches Quads So to be honest this is disgusting   But again thanks for your input N1VEK
Posted by N1VEK

Its rigged for action and that hurts tight players 'cos the gamblers get there much more often than they should. You can still survive and make a little money but you have to modify your play and expect periods of continually being rivered by morons.

Dudeskin8

I once lost about 9 BI's in a week at NL10 and felt like giving up but 55 in 3 weeks, jesus, that is just crazy. 

You mention you play pretty tight but that just can't be, for a tight player to lose that much just doesn't make sense, really think like others have said gotta post some hands in the clinic.

Seagull158

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

you say it isnt your play but, to lose £550 at (mostly) 5p/20p is 55 buy ins in 3 weeks. I play 2/4p and its the equvilent of me losing £220 quid in the same amount of time. To me that is utterly unfathomable.....either this is the worst of bad runs or there is something glaringly wrong in your approach. I would be interested to find out if any of the regular (including baggs and seagull) players on the site have ever lost 55 buy ins or more in 3 weeks or less??
Posted by tapeworm

My worst losing run at 2p4p is 17 buyins over 110.5 hours, 6933 hands.

Seagull158

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

Will address 2 points You claim in opening post online poker is fixed, go to your hand example, how did Sky know the villian would call your raise with 74? If this is fixed surely they have fixed it in your favour as they knew 99 is playable Why are you raising 7.5 x ? The accepted norm is about 2.1 to 3 x this is a big overbet and smells of someone who doesnt want a call, in cash plenty will see a flop in these circumstances You bet the pot not going overboard as he may have a bigger pair, so again you were considering an overbet, the check raise is strong play and would get rid of him if he didnt have the nuts. you are very unlucky but I would look at your bet sizing, maybe take the time off from online play to watch a few videos or use a training site, plenty offer a free month, remember online is different to live especially cash poker, internet play is a lot looser
Posted by SolarCarro

The simple way to rig online poker is to change the sequence in which the cards are dealt AFTER the rng has done it's work. Hypothetically, if the player doesn't call then the sequence is not changed to 777 flop. No way would any of the poker sites actually rig the rng's because this is the only piece of the software that is regulated and tested. What happens after that is completely unregulated, untested and open to abuse.

Frank53

In Response to Can't do it anymore:

This is nothing that hasn't been said before........... Online poker is 100% fixed It is pointless showing you the Hands as we have all had them but I've just walked into Monsters 6 times in a row and no one can convince me that it is not fixed and that's just a run of bad luck, nobody can be that unlucky JJ into KK, 666 into AAA on the flop, KK into AA and then lets not forget the ones you are well out in front and get SHAFTED on the turn or the river or better still Runner Runner. In the last 3 weeks I've deposited around £550 on online poker and only played 5p-10p and a couple of times 10p-20p, that's well within the varients of a good Bankroll for that level, I play pretty tight and some would say very tight, playing between 15% - 20% of hands, with my hands if it's possible I bet 4 or 5 times big blind, if I catch on the flop I bet at least pot sized bets when I don't I bet slightly less, When I believe I'm in fron I bet big, get called get shafted by what some say miracle cards, I could handle Miracle cards but miracles are supposed to be a rare occurance. I'm giving up online poker now as I believe it is fixed to the point of Stealing our hard earned cash and £550 is a fair chunk of cash to GIVE away because most of the time you don't even get any game time, 3 hands this morning first hand of each table I have JJ, KK & AA all cracked I can handle the JJ being cracked but the others getting cracked as often as they do by numpties that can't find the fold button and catch that miracle on the river is just mind boggling. Anyone's thoughts would be appreciated N1VEK
Posted by N1VEK

Think like this, You cannot see the dealer, you cannot see who you are playing, I watch many live games, only in a blue moon do the stats you quote come up in live play! So with 500 quid bankroll....thats just right for 20 quid live games!
Provided, of course, if you can trust the dealer, and the players, in the live game you are playing!!!
With 500 quid bankroll, id be playing smaller live games! Thats if you can justify getting to the casino or what ever venue, Take a tip from ( IAN FRAIZER ) " Id much rather play live poker, than online poker, i love the banter and the night out, bla bla bla"

jackwolf

I feel for you i honestly do 55 buy ins in three weeks is horible but there has too be some serious tilt isues with your play to lose that much poker is a harsh game at times and with the standard of players online nowadays they will spot you tilting in an instant and take you too the cleaners it's a harsh lesson to learn and believe me ive been there and as for the issue of online being rigged well ive been there to,like most players i started playing poker after watching it on telly many years ago and thought i would love to try that and luckily for me i had a friend who had played poker for years and he gave me a little tuition to get me going so i picked a site deposited $50 and started on $5 sng's (not a big enough bank roll) within two months of playing these for a few hours an evening and days off i was up to $300 i was very happy this continued nicely for a good 18 months a nice profit most months and my roll was looking beautiful i was a poker god in my mind the site i played on paid 3 places on 6 seater sng's and i was cashing 7 times out of ten mainly flitting between $5-$20 buyins but mainly lower as i was not as comfy at the higher levels by this time i had played many mtt's aswell doing ok but mainly losing on them then it happened i won the nightly main event a nice $2400 boost to my bankroll and won it again a few nights later i ran like a god in both i totaly lol at my play in them when i looked back some time later it was horible and so lucky but at the time i got the feeling we all get from time to time you know the one the ive cracked this game there's no looking back now profits all the way,it's the worst thing that can happen to some players and i was one of those i started playing out of my depth too soon and it was ugly trust me i was buying $50-$100 sng's i was way out my league and getting battered these guy's could see through my fairly standard play so easy it was scary i was leaking cash like never before but surely this can't happen to me im amazing ive won the main event twice made a huge profit since ive been on there must be something going on it's only since i won them big amounts and withdrew a nice bit to pay for our holiday it must be rigged there upset ive withdrawn my money now there making me pay for it by dishing out the bad beats we all know that one too lol not thinking im way out of my depth here playing awful and paranoid cause it's rigged like never before so my mind was everywhere i was playing bad but in my mind it could not be my fault no way im the dogs at this so for a good few months i was convinced online was rigged i did the usual read all the rigged forums agreed with all and lost tons of my profits and more whilst my mindset was like this so i had to have proof i was going to go through my hand history and prove it if it kills me so i set to it,it was certainly enlightening my play was so bad a two year old could of beaten me yeah there's bad beats and lots of em but when analysed all were caused by my bad play or someone else bad play not some nasty little gremlin in my computer my play had gone from hero to zero in a matter of days mainly due to me tilting from being outplayed and probly a few bad beats i was playing the majority of my hands wrong and 95% of hands i would of previously would fold i was raisng with or playing because i got ahead of myself it was here i decide i needed time off so i took a year out studied and played a few live games when i could get to the casino it was the best thing i did as well as not thinking im god so now i just play for fun on a few sites i don't have the bank roll to play any other way as me and the mrs have a little lad now and they suck your bank roll up faster than any silly mindset lol.so my advice to you would be look at your hand history because i think you will be shocked at some of the stuff you have done never play out of oyur depth and if you feel even a twinge of tilt or it's rigged mindset come off straight away and chill and it could be for hours days or weeks and remeber sometimes it aint your day today come back another just keep that MINDSET right without it you will never play right.gl at the tables and im definatley in the it's not rigged camp and most of all be strong minded and play your A game the results will come im sure.

 

bigr

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

I feel for you i honestly do 55 buy ins in three weeks is horible but there has too be some serious tilt isues with your play to lose that much poker is a harsh game at times and with the standard of players online nowadays they will spot you tilting in an instant and take you too the cleaners it's a harsh lesson to learn and believe me ive been there and as for the issue of online being rigged well ive been there to,like most players i started playing poker after watching it on telly many years ago and thought i would love to try that and luckily for me i had a friend who had played poker for years and he gave me a little tuition to get me going so i picked a site deposited $50 and started on $5 sng's (not a big enough bank roll) within two months of playing these for a few hours an evening and days off i was up to $300 i was very happy this continued nicely for a good 18 months a nice profit most months and my roll was looking beautiful i was a poker god in my mind the site i played on paid 3 places on 6 seater sng's and i was cashing 7 times out of ten mainly flitting between $5-$20 buyins but mainly lower as i was not as comfy at the higher levels by this time i had played many mtt's aswell doing ok but mainly losing on them then it happened i won the nightly main event a nice $2400 boost to my bankroll and won it again a few nights later i ran like a god in both i totaly lol at my play in them when i looked back some time later it was horible and so lucky but at the time i got the feeling we all get from time to time you know the one the ive cracked this game there's no looking back now profits all the way,it's the worst thing that can happen to some players and i was one of those i started playing out of my depth too soon and it was ugly trust me i was buying $50-$100 sng's i was way out my league and getting battered these guy's could see through my fairly standard play so easy it was scary i was leaking cash like never before but surely this can't happen to me im amazing ive won the main event twice made a huge profit since ive been on there must be something going on it's only since i won them big amounts and withdrew a nice bit to pay for our holiday it must be rigged there upset ive withdrawn my money now there making me pay for it by dishing out the bad beats we all know that one too lol not thinking im way out of my depth here playing awful and paranoid cause it's rigged like never before so my mind was everywhere i was playing bad but in my mind it could not be my fault no way im the dogs at this so for a good few months i was convinced online was rigged i did the usual read all the rigged forums agreed with all and lost tons of my profits and more whilst my mindset was like this so i had to have proof i was going to go through my hand history and prove it if it kills me so i set to it,it was certainly enlightening my play was so bad a two year old could of beaten me yeah there's bad beats and lots of em but when analysed all were caused by my bad play or someone else bad play not some nasty little gremlin in my computer my play had gone from hero to zero in a matter of days mainly due to me tilting from being outplayed and probly a few bad beats i was playing the majority of my hands wrong and 95% of hands i would of previously would fold i was raisng with or playing because i got ahead of myself it was here i decide i needed time off so i took a year out studied and played a few live games when i could get to the casino it was the best thing i did as well as not thinking im god so now i just play for fun on a few sites i don't have the bank roll to play any other way as me and the mrs have a little lad now and they suck your bank roll up faster than any silly mindset lol.so my advice to you would be look at your hand history because i think you will be shocked at some of the stuff you have done never play out of oyur depth and if you feel even a twinge of tilt or it's rigged mindset come off straight away and chill and it could be for hours days or weeks and remeber sometimes it aint your day today come back another just keep that MINDSET right without it you will never play right.gl at the tables and im definatley in the it's not rigged camp and most of all be strong minded and play your A game the results will come im sure.  
Posted by jackwolf

pod1

great post wolfie. common sense. ps paragraphs are great mind!! lol

jackwolf

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

great post wolfie. common sense. ps paragraphs are great mind!! lol
Posted by pod1

lol i know soz punctuation was never my strong point at school but i blame school you know for giving us a twenty something old fit english teacher because my mind was on (.)(.) all day:)

pod1

nw mate. i cant even get my font sizing right!!

N1VEK

They are mostly all great post guys and Thank you for the time, effort and advice,

However, a couple of points I'd like to make, By no means am I a reckless player, (No fishing for me) I don't go looking for gutshots, I don't go looking for flush draws unless the pot odds are there to do so although the 4 -1 ratio certainly does not work for me and even when I price people out of doing the same they seem to always catch and I mean Always,I feel in cash games I'm simply and totally Luckless.

Since all your posts which are very much appreciated I've taken the plunge and deposited my last deposit of a total of £10 and I really mean my last deposit, I've played 2 x 5p-10p cash games and kept it really simple only playing premium hands and tried not to over bet and folded to everything I felt was going the wrong way, I'm about £4 up in the cash games but what has really made a difference is I've started playing DYM's using the same theories as before, only playing premium hands and only having a go at the blinds when they get a bit high like more than a 5th of my stack, I've played about 8 and i've cashed in 7 one without playing a hand in a £5 DYM, so maybe DYM's are my forte, who Knows, Incidentally the one I lost was, I had KK on the big blind and 1 player pushed with JJ I called he caught a J on the river, so I suppose I can't get away from bad beats totally.

I've got my LAST Deposit of £10 up to £52.18 and I'm very very happy with that, but to be honest I've not changed my game at all except maybe not overbetting which I don't really believe was a problem in the first place.

Maybe see some of you guys at the Alea in Glasgow for the SPT if I can Qualify for it...........................

Again Thank you all for trying to be both understanding and constructive

N1vek

Kevin 

pod1

nice post kevin, glad you read them and hopefully took some stuff on board. still use the clinic mate as it WILL help. i cant play dyms to save my life but maybe you have found your niche. great post in "general"  by john conner regarding dyms. he has forgotton more about them than most people know!!! gl again, phil

drumahai05

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore : The simple way to rig online poker is to change the sequence in which the cards are dealt AFTER the rng has done it's work. Hypothetically, if the player doesn't call then the sequence is not changed to 777 flop. No way would any of the poker sites actually rig the rng's because this is the only piece of the software that is regulated and tested. What happens after that is completely unregulated, untested and open to abuse.
Posted by Seagull158

absolutely right seagull. until we get regulation of the whole game people will shout fix. and you cant blame them. if sky are manipulating results its because they can, they are not doing anything wrong as the law stands. so why not that's business.there is a big pot of money flowing round the site that belongs to the players. as a business sky needs to keep it flowing to enable them to get the maximum rake possible. they get this from the cash tables,the site is only as viable as the cash it holds on our behalf. their task is to keep as many people happy as possible, and the more they can get playing cash the better the rake flow for the site , that's good business. so until the law changes we play under these rules. don't get me wrong you can still be a winning player. i am but that does not stop the suspicion.IE this week i have gone out of the main and the mini twice with pocket AA. and the 3000 bh pocket AA again. yes use the clinic we all have leaks. but let the main cry be regulation that we can see and understand.

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore : absolutely right seagull. until we get regulation of the whole game people will shout fix. and you cant blame them. if sky are manipulating results its because they can, they are not doing anything wrong as the law stands. so why not that's business.there is a big pot of money flowing round the site that belongs to the players. as a business sky needs to keep it flowing to enable them to get the maximum rake possible. they get this from the cash tables,the site is only as viable as the cash it holds on our behalf. their task is to keep as many people happy as possible, and the more they can get playing cash the better the rake flow for the site , that's good business. so until the law changes we play under these rules. don't get me wrong you can still be a winning player. i am but that does not stop the suspicion.IE this week i have gone out of the main and the mini twice with pocket AA. and the 3000 bh pocket AA again. yes use the clinic we all have leaks. but let the main cry be regulation that we can see and understand.
Posted by drumahai05

defo big plus 1 to seagulls post and your own post , at last common sense and logic in area51 , wd guys xx

DOHHHHHHH

So many plonkers over achieve on this site. unreal.

wtf r uze on about???

can't wait for antes.

gl trying to turn a + ROI by min cashing everynight

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

So many plonkers over achieve on this site. unreal. wtf r uze on about??? can't wait for antes. gl trying to turn a + ROI by min cashing everynight
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Well whats ure opinion on the 'non regulation' of card distribution to the table ??

Think this leaves a huge void on whether it 'CAN' or 'CANNOT' be rigged doesnt it ??

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

So many plonkers over achieve on this site. unreal. wtf r uze on about??? can't wait for antes. gl trying to turn a + ROI by min cashing everynight
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Sorry DOHHHHH . . . .  four lines and I'm confused on every count. Can you expand on these please?

Sorry - very confused.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore : Well whats ure opinion on the 'non regulation' of card distribution to the table ?? Think this leaves a huge void on whether it 'CAN' or 'CANNOT' be rigged doesnt it ??
Posted by debdobs_67

ask the pros who make a living from the site. 

Im sure they will put your mind at rest.

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore:

In Response to Re: Can't do it anymore : ask the pros who make a living from the site.  Im sure they will put your mind at rest.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Thats NOT what i asked tho is it ??

Just want ure personal view on it

Dont matter bout the pro's really does it ??