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Hogging the Forum? Dont be silly, as Mere suggested, they are excellent questions, which many are not confident enough to ask.
I hope those results keep coming for you.
There is also more to poker than "hand skills", & I think you have learned a great deal of those "other" skills since you've been here.
A few days back, speaking in praise of David Tuckman, you said "he made me realise I still have a lot to learn". And that means God help the rest of us, because once you accept that, there is no limit to where your game may take you.
I've also seen you donk off massive chip leads in Tourneys, & I've seen how much that hurt you, mentally. I don't think you'll do that again, either. lJAMESl used to have the same problem, a great chip-getter & an equally competent spewer. He changed that, & within weeks, scooped £50,000+.....
I note you swerved my DTD invite though.....;)
It's true that most of the time if a player is all in then other players in the hand won't really fight for the pot because they'd rather hope one of them hits something to knock the all in player out.
Understanding why people usually do this might help you decide when to go by this, and when to do as you did and just maximise your chances of winning the pot - because both options can be correct play depending on the circumstance.
Generally throughout the tournament what you're trying to do is to act in a way that maximises your chances of winning each hand - so you accumulate chips to put you in a stronger position.
But once you get particularly deep, another factor that can be taken into account isn't just how to win the most tournament chips - but how to win the most dollars/pounds/cold hard cash from the prize pool.
So if knocking out a player means that you are guaranteed to win more money (because he was knocked out on the bubble, or if everyone is already in the money and this moves you up one place) then it is often the case that it is to everyone's advantage (apart from the all in player) to not fight for the pot.
It isn't entirely clear cut though, if you're a long way from the bubble then it doesn't really help you win more cash, if the tournament pays the top few places a disportionate amount then you're likely to win the most money by trying to win the most chips (and win the tournament) and there are a number of other situations where the argument for trying to win the pot or trying to knock out the player will be quite finely balanced.
Essentially there was nothing technically wrong with how you played that hand in particular, and there would have been nothing technically wrong with checking down the hand to see if either one of you hit - it's all down to judgement as to what is to your best advantage.
if this is a live event i would be more than happy to come along.
cheers ash (mush22)
Not everyone reads this thread, so why don't you start a new Thread, "Anyone fancy a Live Poker Day Out?" or somesuch?
If you do that, I'll pop up a Post which gives the dates in April of the different weekend comps they have, the costs of each, etc. I'll also let you know what dates I could get there in Aptil, & maybe we can have a bit of a fun day, or even weekend.
DTD is Dusk til Dawn, a Casino in Nottingham where the SPT final is held, not sure if you need to be a member to play though.
By the bye, the nice peeps at DTD will have you shot if you refer to their place as a "Casino". It's a "Cardroom", not a Casino!
Tk i know you've been to a lot of card rooms and im curious how there seem to be so many in the UK yet only 1 with the proper licence required to do it?
If it's Illegal to run a card room yet all these places are openly advertised then how do they get away with it?
Thank you for the advice. That answers my question perfectly, and also the expansion to my question wondering about the significance of allowing players to be knocked out by others. I think I need a lot more experience at the tables before I can start playing hands like that with 100% certainty, because from experience (so far!) it seems that calculating risk vs reward is not just as simple as 'calculating risk vs reward'.I hope that makes sense!?
Thanks again!
You are right about "risk vs reward".
You will see many posts mentioning the phrase "meta-game". This, essentially, is a term used to describe situations which transcend the decisions made on an individual hand. There are many facets to this and it is a large part of what makes poker such a fascinating (and complex) game.
It is clear from your posts that you have an understanding of the game that exceeds that of many people who have been playing it for considerably longer than yourself. I'm sure that you'll get lots of enjoyment from the game.
Might interest you!
Yes - I Pass all day there if we have no info on Villain. With info, it might be a different answer, but at that juncture, I pass, I can "find a better situation" than calling "blind", in effect, for my Tourney. A-Q is a pushing rather than calling hand at that stage, I'd say. When playing A-Q I play it strongly if I am the one to open the betting, but if someone else opens aggressively first, (unless a shortie), I'm binning it.
Villain's bet was pretty naff, to be honest he's shoved an unopened Pot for 100 x BB, which is about as bad a play as there can be. To call all-in when you have 80 x BB would have been badderer though.
Did you manage to suppress your mirth when he open-shoved for 100 x BB? It is truly, & by any yardstick, a dumb play of epic proportions, it is simply horrendous. A call from you would have been horrendouser mind.....
By the bye, you said he was to your "right". I assume you mean to your left, as you had opened with a proper raise before he shoved, yes?