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One wonders whether Sky Poker has any plans to employ sattelites into the WSOPE Main Event later in the year, or is this hush hush?
First of all, I would like to thank you (and the other forum members) for their advice on this (and other) thread/s. I played my first bounty hunter tournament last night and came 10th (or 11th!? it was late!) out of 60(ish). Quality result! Couple of heads as well!!
I'd like to pick your brains again if I may, i'd also be grateful for the thoughts of the other forum users regarding my play last night.
So far, i've been playing the hands according to my position on the table (tight aggressive), occasionally "knocking it up a notch" to keep the other players on there toes so I don't become predictable. At the moment, my lack of experience means I lack the "flamboyance" of the better players when it comes to playing my hands out of position. By that I mean, last night I was sat with a relatively large stack compared to other players on the table, however when it came to part with my chips on what I thought was a nominal/not bad hand (still like those pretty face cards!) I was reluctant to play:
Big blind was 800. I was sat with around 15,000 chips, I held K 10 unsuited on the large blind. The two kids ahead of me had around 4-5000 chips apiece both called. Flop showed (i think) 8 J 7. The lad in early position raised it up to x2 BB, the next lad called, I folded. Turns out the turn and river would have got me an unsuited straight and won the hand, all for the price of 1600 (roughly) chips in total.
I know from reading the forums that I need to calculate risk v reward, stack sizes, odds etc, but to be honest because i'm still learning it's all a bit complicated and i'm still trying to keep it simple. My own personal feeling on the matter is i'd rather not risk my chips on a gut shot, but it happened a couple of times during the tournament and I reckon I probably could have maybe got rid of a couple of those loose players.
Your advice about "calling stations go busto" has stuck in my mind, so I'd rather bet it out than 'limp' (still guilty on that a few times unfortunately!
Sorry if it's a bit lengthy/waffly.
I also realise that this post is similar to a previous post I made, however for me! the theory is a lot easier than the application, and my understanding changes when I put this knowledge into practice, and so my understanding of the situation changes.
Thanks everyone,
Pete - 5caramanga
Morning.
I'll get up to date on the questions later this morning - I just need to address my PM backlog first, then I'll do this Thread.
Loving the questions, nice variety, keep them commg please.
I'll be back to get them answered within the hour.
Ok, we are late in the tourny, you raise 4X the BB, you Opponent pushes all in, suddenly, you have a question or two to ask yourself, you have A high sooted (only makes about a 2% difference), what am I beating?, is it possible he has a PP, he pushed imo it would be very possble, so you are about 50/50, but if you miss as you did, your whole tourny is on the line, is it worth putting your tourny on the line for a 50/50 shot?, or wait for a better position?, are you sure your opponent would have folded his PP, what had he been playing like?, if it was me, I would have folded like a shot.
EXCELLENT question.
We have some VERY good players on this Site, so what I have done is posted your question on our Poker Strategy Board, & hopefully, we will get a few good & varied answers on there, & then you can decide which ones make sense, & maybe be re-assured as to how to deal with this awkward spot in future.
The Thread is HERE.
Hope that helps, & if you have any further questions, fire away.
Have a good weekend.
I have no idea, is the straight answer. Probably because, as you say, it's "hush-hush"!
I will ask the question of the Suits, (though not in iambic panatmeter.....) but I'm a seller, as there are a number of issues mitigating against it, which, collectively, suggest it might be awkward.
1) It takes place in September. With the focus very much on WSOP, which does not end until mid-July, it would only lave 1 month - August - for Super-Satellites. Three is much preferable.
2) Online Poker is extremely seasonal, & traffic is lower during the summer months & school holidays.
3) WSOP-E has an Online room as a Sponsor, so it's slightly less marketeable for Sky Poker. WSOP (Harrahs) do in fact have their own Online Room, but thus far, they don't really market it, & the WSOP brand is "clean". Which, by the bye, may well change for 2011, along with a raft of other WSOP upcoming changes I fancy.
4) WSOP-E is a great event, but in relative terms, compared to the real deal, in Vegas, it's very much the poorer relation. Si I would think, right now, that Sky Poker would prefer to focus on the Vegas WSOP.
But that's not to say that Sky Poker will not have some WSOP-E involvement, as they might. Watch this space.......
Congrats on your results! They are not "the best on Sky Poker" by any means, but they are certainly very impressive.
More £10 & £20 Tourneys?
Yes, they will. But it's a very young site - just 3 years old, & it is not on a network, so it takes time to build liquidity.
The Tourneys here are selected to satisfy the demand, & it's quite odd, or unusual, the sort of Tourneys which are popular here.
They used to have a 5k stack Deepie at 7.30 every night which was a thing of beauty, a good player could not fail to turn a profit in it over time. But despite constant lobbying & urgings from the "7.30 Gang", we could not get the numbers above 40, & it gradually sunk to 30, 20, & then 10 runners. A great shame, imo.
And yet, every night at 8pm, they have a fairly "sharp" structured Tourney, with 2,000 chips, & it attracts 400, 500, 600 even 700 runners night after night. Last night the £22 Main Event was "all seats sold", capped at 700, & yet it was over in less than 4 hours!
Yes, you can go to other Sites who have bigger Tourneys, & more variety, but it's as broad as it's long, & as you are making good money here, why change? I should urge cautuion, too - it's notoriously hard to turn a profit on the "worldwide" Sites.
But whatever you do, & wherever you do it, I wish you well, & hope your run continues.
This boils down to two or three things really.
1) Calling for gutshots.
It's simple maths. You are usually on a 4 outer, so that's about a 16% or 13/2 shot on the Flop, If you have the odds, fine, but you almost never have, & in Tournaments, as opposed to Cash, it's a no-no usually. And it's ALWAYS better to be the aggressor anyway. 13/2 shrinks if you can bully every one off, but you rarely can.
A pal of mine, John Gale, was a whizz at playing poker by maths. He got a very unlucky 2nd in a Pot-Limit WSOP Event in '05 I think, & then won the same event the very next year. If you gave him "the right price", he's call for his Tourney with ANY TWO, if he did not have the price, he'd Pass, simple.
2) Calling Stations.
Yes, when they are catching flops, they are unplayable, & there's nothing you can do aboit it, nor should you, let them have their moment of glory. They ALL go busto soon enough, & they get about as much respect in poker as multi-accounters, who are the lowest of the low.
3) If I'd called, I would have won.
NEVER think that way. You may pass 100 hands in a night, almost all correctly, but the one where you would have hit, you remember.
In Live Poker, you do hear THE most stupid things said from time to time. It goes Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise, rinse repeat, all-in, Call, & EVERYONE knows it's K-K v A-A.
The Flop comes 2-2-7, & some eejit jumps up & says "nooooooo!, I woulda flopped quads". Yes, he would. But it would still have been a shocking call.
Glad to hear you are getting a few results, keep it up.
It has been the case for a while now, that there was a £12,000 Guaranteed bounty Hunter Tourney every Thursday night. Very popular it is, too, despite what some say or prefer - it "maxed out" again last night at 700.
But April will be different on Thusday nights. Very different, & I think rather special. With or without £12k Bounty Hunters. Or do I mean with AND without £12k Bounty Hunters?........
Await the news, but Thursday nights will soon be different gravy, different league almost.
My apologies for the inadvertent steer.
I think, possibly, embracing the complexities of variance would be a good start. It does not matter who you are, or how good you are, $50k wins don't come twice a week, & you may be "paying" for that scoopio for some time yet.
The other thing I noticed from your Post is something I see so often, & I'm afraid is completely beyond my comprehension. "Blaming the Dealer, or other players", on certain sites. In this case, not Sky Poker, but it usually is.
In fact there's a whole thread on here today, with some Gentleman repeatedly referring to outdraws on here, river cards on here, suckouts on here.
Pardon me asking, but you never really believed that sort of thing, did you? It's a serious question, because I just don't understand how that mindset works!
Anyways, whatever you decide, roll on the next $50k scoop. Nice, very nice.
Ooh, you just reminded me!
I'll be back on the "correct" computer tomorrow, where I stored it, so I'll Post it then. In fact, there are 4 Parts already "saved", & several more on the way. You have been warned.
One way & another, poker & non-poker, it's been quite a fortnight.
Poker seems to be full of haters these days, moany-woany minnie-winnies, & along comes Mr Beloved & says "just enjoy it".
Sing my song!
I have 0.90p left in my account what would you advise me to do with this???
Cheers
Gareth
I only wonder because I am not yet of legal age to gamble in America, and am far too comfortable at Sky Poker...
I was NOT referring to you, not one bit.
Have a peruse of this, or almost any other Poker Forum, & you wll get my drift. There are players throughout poker who do nothing - nothing - but moan & whinge, about anything & everything - "the scowly haters" - & the odd thing is that, in the main, they moan about freebies & Promotions! Try & find them being "up" about anything & you will struggle, they lack "balance", & they never start their own Threads, because it's easier to moan than to do. They are the Blamers, in a Blame Society, but they lack the wit & spark to be doers.
If someone golfed, or fished, or cycled, for a hobby & did not enjoy it, what would they do? Yes, pack it in. But Poker is incredibly addictive, so they don't.......which is rather a shame.
I know a player who has been with Sky Poker almost since it started. When he first arrived, he complained that Sky Poker were "cheats", & went off on an incomprehensible foul-mouthed rant. 3 years later, he's still here. Still ranting. Nobody's listening, mind......
Fortunately, these haters & scowlers are more than balanced out by warm-hearted, genuine, people, & I pretty much stay in poker because of the wonderful people I have met in the game.
In your shoes, I'd lock up 80% of it, then assume the balance was your poker bankroll, & it was not replaceable, so, in effect, start again. Do be very careful it (the entire win) does not trickle away, there's no point winning 50 large if you simply re-invest it in poker, no point at all.
When I retired from proper work & took up poker, I was running & rooming with 2 other guys, Julian Thew & Ian Oldershaw. Ian came with us to Amsterdam, scooped £113,000, & then decided to go play the Pro Circuit. He owed a few bob in %'s - I run so good! - & so was left with about £90,000. He went & paid off his mortgage with £80k, & used the rest as his Poker Bankroll. He lost most of that £10k, then promptly packed up poker & returned to work. But the mortgage was paid off. For life. These days he plays the occaqsional £50 or £100 Tourney, & loves it.
I hope you lock up most of your win, then earn even more with the amount you re-invest in poker.
Keep us updated as to what you decide to do, please, & I look forward to sharing Tables with you. Be gentle with me please.
Pardon me asking, but what sort of education have you had? That may sound a strange question, but it's not, nor is it patronising or condescending, but I had you down as middle-aged! For various reasons I will not bore you with, I was not educated, as such, & so the subject always interests me greatly.
I still keep thinking about that turn of phrase you used, which left me feeling a little inadequate - "iambic pentameter" - whch I have never once come across in my life. And I LOVE discovering new words & phrases. This will sound all wrong, I know it will, but it's not every day that someone less than 21 years old uses words & phrases I have never heard of, & it both pleased me, and at the same time made me feel incredibly ignorant!
More of the same please. But different.
Today's new word is murmuration.
I have to say you are the most honest, most patient person I have the great honour of being able to call a friend, you big up the players on this site, not only the big players for want of a better word,but also those of us who have the smaller BR, I dont think, and hope you will ever change, I know I siad it before and will never tire of saying it thank you
Play a little poker, maybe consume a little alcohol, find a fine woman, & waste the rest.
Alternatively, go on a Freeroll Rampage & build it up to a £2 or £5 then play a DYM. Soon you will be rich beyond your wildest dreams. Or busto.
I think it's pretty much an unwritten Law of Poker - better players than me will confirm this - but when Heads-Up, you are obliged to Raise on the Button EVERY hand.
I'm afraid, with increasing age has come increasing impatience - perhaps intolerance is a better word - of ill manners & rudeness. But that apart, I retired from work, & luckboxed my way via a circuitious route into THE most wonderful role here at Sky Poker, & it behoves me not to take it for granted, so yes, I will always be patient with, & answer questions, when they are not asked in a rude manner. But I struggle terribly with people who are rude.
I can't help it, it's an age thing probably.