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NEW CHALLENGE

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  • edited September 2012
    Coxy may have dropped 10 BIs, as we all do sometimes, whether we're Phil Ivey or me, and no matter what level we play, but he got through it because he knows how to adapt.
  • edited September 2012
    ive been watchin alot of 4nl and seeing how its played and i dont think it has to be as tight as top 10 i have a few things running round my head but i am expecting to maybe get 10 bi swings here but ultimately im expecting to leave in good profit and i think alot can be learnt at this level i could take to my normal level of play to give me an edge. especially as alot of players who claim to do so well higher cant handle the 4nl
  • edited September 2012
    so it begins the c4p have just hit my account £251.26 so by the rules of the challenge

    3% for tournaments - £7.50

    5% for cash tables - £12.50

    but as i said before i want to make £40 on 4nl to prove the level can be beat so i start the challenge today

    my thoughts on the 4nl level is simple as many tables as pos to iron out the big variance experianced at this level
  • edited September 2012
    Good luck mate.

    I wouldn't suggest any more than 6 tables to start because you want to get a few notes on people, I have notes on people that they will call a big overshove on the river with 2nd pr on a straightening and flushing board for instance. Some people stack off super light (probably about 70% of people at 4NL to be fair lol) but you need to know which ones they are and which ones are sitting there multi-tabling and waiting for AK or JJ+

    People keep talking about variance at 4NL, but I don't think it's really that much higher variance than any other forms of the game. The key thing in 4NL is that you aint going to be really aggressive with draws, you aint gonna be bluffing etc, so you're mostly gonna be getting it in when you're good and may have to dodge an out or two, so it's really not half as swingy as people say.

    For instance, the last 5 sessions I've played have all been in profit (I aint running good), and they've all contained coolers or mistakes from me where I've lost 1-2 BIs during the session, but if you stick at it and do the right things, it shouldn't be too hard to grind your way out of it and still come out with a profit. As they say, every bit of profit you make is directly in line with whether your opponent makes more mistakes than you and how big their mistakes are, and at this level, some people will make horrendous mistakes like calling a shove with just a gutshot.
  • edited September 2012
    lambert says no more then 6 tables, the dr has started this with 12 tables!!!!  hope you do well in this, and move up levels quickly.

    gl at the tables.
  • edited September 2012
    Best of luck with your challenge.Should be an intresting read.

    Run good.
  • edited September 2012
    ok just had a wee hour there on the 4nl quite interesting balnace is now £261.98 about £10 profit not bad almost my hourly rate at work so heres how it broke down
    2012-09-07 14:38:551989277176Cash TableChardMicro No Limit£4.78 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:38:221989276082Cash TableNailseaMicro No Limit£0.00 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:37:361989274591Cash TableAxbridgeMicro No Limit£0.00 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:35:531989271091Cash TableWhite HouseMicro No Limit£4.01 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:34:441989268724Cash TableJamestownMicro No Limit£14.14 £4.00  
    2012-09-07 14:33:231989265944Cash TableCharltonMicro No Limit£3.97 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:32:121989263569Cash TableChapel DriveMicro No Limit£11.23 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:31:581989263114Cash TableBansteadMicro No Limit£7.92 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:31:281989262214Cash TableWell MeadowMicro No Limit£5.94 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:31:231989262030Cash TableCall LaneMicro No Limit£0.00 £4.00   
    2012-09-07 14:28:201989256022Cash TableErewashMicro No Limit£3.01 £8.00   
    2012-09-07 14:27:311989254376Cash TableCalais.Micro No Limit£8.37 £4.65   
    so £10.72 profit aint bad on first go play not as crazy as i thought 1 or 2 players but in end i got my money plus back from them find that when you hit and want to keep people in 1/2 pot raise works well.






  • edited September 2012
    biggest winning hand
    DrRunGood Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £9.29
    Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £5.08
     Your hole cards
    • 4
    • 4
       
    xFold     
    Raise  £0.08 £0.14 £3.14
    xCall  £0.08 £0.22 £2.16
    DrRunGood Call  £0.06 £0.28 £9.23
    xRaise  £0.40 £0.68 £4.68
    Call  £0.36 £1.04 £2.78
    xFold     
    Call  £0.36 £1.40 £8.87
    Flop
      
    • 10
    • 2
    • 4
       
    DrRunGood Bet  £0.56 £1.96 £8.31
    xAll-in  £4.68 £6.64 £0.00
    Fold     
    DrRunGood All-in  £8.31 £14.95 £0.00
    DrRunGood Unmatched bet  £4.19 £10.76 £4.19
    DrRunGood Show
    • 4
    • 4
       
    xShow
    • A
    • A
       
    Turn
      
    • 9
       
    River
      
    • 9
       
    DrRunGood Win Full House, 4s and 9s £9.95


    biggest lose hand
    xSmall blind  £0.02 £0.02 £6.05
    xBig blind  £0.04 £0.06 £11.78
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • Q
       
    Fold     
    xFold     
    Fold     
    DrRunGood Raise  £0.16 £0.22 £7.27
    xAll-in  £6.05 £6.27 £0.00
    xFold     
    DrRunGood Call  £5.91 £12.18 £1.36
    xShow
    • 9
    • J
       
    DrRunGood Show
    • J
    • Q
       
    Flop
      
    • 4
    • 8
    • 7
       
    Turn
      
    • 5
       
    River
      
    • 6
       
    xWin Straight to the 9 £11.26


    tbh none of these hands put me in a good light :( but there were reasons behind them
  • edited September 2012
    You've got no chance at NL4 playing like that.

    I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a set but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands.

    What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch :)

  • edited September 2012
    Hand 1 is absolutely fine, always just call along cheaply with small PPs, then when it gets raised, you've only gotta call 36p to win £1.04 and can usually count on having the implied odds with sets at 4NL.

    Hand 2 is completely horrific, even if I raised and someone made this move with 50BB I would snap fold, for 150BB it's just not even worth considering under any circumstances. So looks like it could have been £16 profit if not for that horrific call lol.

    But yeah, that's what I said in my post but I think yuo'd already started when I posted it, there are enough bad players to get back anything you might lose from coolers/mistakes you make.

    Well played and nice work for your first session.
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    You've got no chance at NL4 playing like that. I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a pocket pair but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands. What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch :)
    Posted by died
    Nice work on multi-accounting mate... TUT TUT.

    MODS PLEASE! :)
  • edited September 2012
    Oh be quiet you goon, i'm not multi accounting, this is my fiance's account.
  • edited September 2012
    I knew there was something fishy, and something I didn't like about your attitude from the very start of you posting died, and now it's apparent. You're the same rude person you used to be when posting under PipPunch
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    Hand 1 is absolutely fine, always just call along cheaply with small PPs, then when it gets raised, you've only gotta call 36p to win £1.04 and can usually count on having the implied odds with sets at 4NL. 
    Posted by Lambert180
    And this is why you failed to win any money at nl4 for an entire month.
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    You've got no chance at NL4 playing like that. I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a set but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands. What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch :)
    Posted by died
    im playing 12 tables so tbh im playing bit robotic was a bad beat but that why i was playing so many tables for every 2 outer i done i got one back. if i missed i would fold thats how i would have played it. if you look at my biggest loss the guy got lucky and for more money it evens up. no offence intended but im not about to fold every hand to at this level a very standard raise. and sad that you think i wont make it out this level but i was pleased with 2.5 buyins profit in 1 hour
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    I knew there was something fishy, and something I didn't like about your attitude from the very start of you posting died, and now it's apparent. You're the same rude person you used to be when posting under PipPunch
    Posted by Lambert180
    First time i've used her account to post actually :) And it will be the last. And she's probably been rude to you cause you think you run the forum or something. Anyway i won't be posting on here again. Bye :D
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE : And this is why you failed to win any money at nl4 for an entire month.
    Posted by died
    died you seem to be taken this beat especially bad maybe a time out instead of attacking players like lambert the guy does very well at these levels
  • edited September 2012
    let's play nicely please :)
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    Hand 1 is absolutely fine, always just call along cheaply with small PPs, then when it gets raised, you've only gotta call 36p to win £1.04 and can usually count on having the implied odds with sets at 4NL. Hand 2 is completely horrific, even if I raised and someone made this move with 50BB I would snap fold, for 150BB it's just not even worth considering under any circumstances. So looks like it could have been £16 profit if not for that horrific call lol. But yeah, that's what I said in my post but I think yuo'd already started when I posted it, there are enough bad players to get back anything you might lose from coolers/mistakes you make. Well played and nice work for your first session.
    Posted by Lambert180
    yea hand 1 is pretty straight forward
    hand 2 yea very bad call on my part but in my defence i thought the guy went allin for alot less and he had been allin 4 hands in a row so fancied the gamble as i put him very wide was correct but i dont think i make that call again. for everythin that people say i saw some good play by a few players. and obv your odd wild player but i dont understand why people get so anoyed i saw a player "donk" themselves upto about £12 and then went on to bleed it all back to table
  • edited September 2012
    hand 1 i do the same

    hand 2 if i fancy a gamble i take it v this villain, they do this with a lot worse.

    might want to remove names from the hh
  • edited September 2012
    heres a hand i would like to discuss with some 4nl regs. is this just my lack of respect to 4nl or is this a good move at this level. the way i look at it is i have one of the strongest hands in poker im in a table of players i have identified as will pay off light and they are both about half buyins

    what i really want to know is this the sort of thing people do at this level that is disrespectful and will see losses or is it a good move due to the way i thought bout it

    as it was min raise call call i can easy say my opponents are not holding anything as strong as ak or mid pairs to top pairs as i would have seen a raise.
    as said above few of these players ive seen making big calls pre with weak aces and weak kings

    so good or bad?
    DrRunGood Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £5.18
    xBig blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.59
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
       
    xRaise  £0.08 £0.14 £2.28
    xCall  £0.08 £0.22 £1.93
    Call  £0.08 £0.30 £2.17
    DrRunGood All-in  £5.18 £5.48 £0.00
    Fold     
    All-in  £2.28 £7.76 £0.00
    All-in  £1.93 £9.69 £0.00
    Fold     
    DrRunGood Unmatched bet  £2.84 £6.85 £2.84
    DrRunGood Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    Show
    • 7
    • A
       
    Show
    • J
    • A
       
    Flop
      
    • 9
    • 2
    • 8
       
    Turn
      
    • 8
       
    River
      
    • 4
       
    DrRunGood Win Pair of 8s £6.33
  • edited September 2012
    had another hour and a half at the tables and went like this
    07 Sep '12 at 16:58PokerWatchet£-4.00£0.00A 
    07 Sep '12 at 16:58PokerPall Mall£4.47£0.00A 
    07 Sep '12 at 16:58PokerErewash£6.88£0.00A 
    07 Sep '12 at 16:58PokerDunster£0.55£0.00A 
    so another profit of £7.90 i was only 4 tabling this time as was mutitasking

    so total profit for my first day at the tables in my new challenge is £18.62 bringing my bankroll to £269.88

    and brings me to almost half my £40 target profit in the 4nl
  • edited September 2012
    biggest win of the session
    Sit out     
    Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £6.50
    xBig blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.92
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • K
       
    DrRunGood Raise  £0.16 £0.22 £5.16
    xFold     
    Call  £0.14 £0.36 £6.36
    Fold     
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • A
    • Q
       
    Check     
    DrRunGood Bet  £0.18 £0.54 £4.98
    Call  £0.18 £0.72 £6.18
    Turn
      
    • 10
       
    Check     
    DrRunGood Bet  £0.28 £1.00 £4.70
    xRaise  £0.56 £1.56 £5.62
    DrRunGood All-in  £4.70 £6.26 £0.00
    Call  £4.42 £10.68 £1.20
    Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    DrRunGood Show
    • J
    • K
       
    River
      
    • 9
       
    DrRunGood Win Straight to the Ace £9.87
    biggest loss
    DrRunGood Big blind  £0.04 £0.04 £2.42
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • 7
       
    Fold     
    Call  £0.04 £0.08 £1.65
    Fold     
    DrRunGood Raise  £0.08 £0.16 £2.34
    Call  £0.08 £0.24 £1.57
    Flop
      
    • Q
    • J
    • 7
       
    DrRunGood Bet  £0.12 £0.36 £2.22
    Call  £0.12 £0.48 £1.45
    Turn
      
    • 9
       
    DrRunGood Bet  £0.24 £0.72 £1.98
    Call  £0.24 £0.96 £1.21
    River
      
    • A
       
    DrRunGood Check     
    All-in  £1.21 £2.17 £0.00
    DrRunGood Call  £1.21 £3.38 £0.77
    DrRunGood Show
    • A
    • 7
       
    Show
    • 5
    • 2
       
    Win Flush to the Queen £3.12
  • edited September 2012

    another session done on the 4nl level down

    07 Sep '12 at 22:39 Long Eaton£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:19 Chapel Drive£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:17 Banham£8.94£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:05 Adlington£3.90£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:02 Dunster£10.99£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:00 Axbridge£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 21:59 Well Meadow£-0.97£0.00A

    total profit of £10.86 so for my first day of the challenge im in total profit of £29.48 puts my br to £280.74

  • edited September 2012
    well my first shot at the infamous 4nl and i must say havnt come across to many problems and if you got a load of c4p on this level i would never leave it. anoyed at myself tho as at the end of the last session i lost bout £9 by playing really bad
  • edited September 2012
    just played £5.50 timed tourny and won £8.87

    balance £284.11
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    well my first shot at the infamous 4nl and i must say havnt come across to many problems and if you got a load of c4p on this level i would never leave it. anoyed at myself tho as at the end of the last session i lost bout £9 by playing really bad
    Posted by DrRunGood
    nice start today,

    yeah the points are poor, i used to play a lot at nl4 and i could hit 4k points even with it being only 1 point per 20 hands. pre january it was 2 per 20 hands but the re jigged the points at all the levels. to say i was a little gutted was an understatement
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE : nice start today, yeah the points are poor, i used to play a lot at nl4 and i could hit 4k points even with it being only 1 point per 20 hands. pre january it was 2 per 20 hands but the re jigged the points at all the levels. to say i was a little gutted was an understatement
    Posted by TINTIN
    yea its a bit of a downside to small stakes i guess but i wasnt aiming for c4p main aim is to build br up to 1k to go back to 50nl what im used to using br management. il be honest i loved the 4nl tables i honestly think i could grind out 20-40 pounds a day puting in bout 6 hours had so much freedom in my play cause im not making 100 pound decisions. how many hours did you play a session tintin?
  • edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE:
    Oh be quiet you goon, i'm not multi accounting, this is my fiance's account.
    Posted by died
    I,ve played you under pippunch but I won,t be playing again if your on table. ( i know theres plenty of cpls on here but they all seen to play under there own accounts )

    Playing under 2 different names is cheating for me
  • edited September 2012
    shock horror lambert thinking he owns the forum again

    you sir have a massive ego

    nothing wrong with being a nl4 grinder doesnt make you king of sky though
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