Coxy may have dropped 10 BIs, as we all do sometimes, whether we're Phil Ivey or me, and no matter what level we play, but he got through it because he knows how to adapt.
ive been watchin alot of 4nl and seeing how its played and i dont think it has to be as tight as top 10 i have a few things running round my head but i am expecting to maybe get 10 bi swings here but ultimately im expecting to leave in good profit and i think alot can be learnt at this level i could take to my normal level of play to give me an edge. especially as alot of players who claim to do so well higher cant handle the 4nl
I wouldn't suggest any more than 6 tables to start because you want to get a few notes on people, I have notes on people that they will call a big overshove on the river with 2nd pr on a straightening and flushing board for instance. Some people stack off super light (probably about 70% of people at 4NL to be fair lol) but you need to know which ones they are and which ones are sitting there multi-tabling and waiting for AK or JJ+
People keep talking about variance at 4NL, but I don't think it's really that much higher variance than any other forms of the game. The key thing in 4NL is that you aint going to be really aggressive with draws, you aint gonna be bluffing etc, so you're mostly gonna be getting it in when you're good and may have to dodge an out or two, so it's really not half as swingy as people say.
For instance, the last 5 sessions I've played have all been in profit (I aint running good), and they've all contained coolers or mistakes from me where I've lost 1-2 BIs during the session, but if you stick at it and do the right things, it shouldn't be too hard to grind your way out of it and still come out with a profit. As they say, every bit of profit you make is directly in line with whether your opponent makes more mistakes than you and how big their mistakes are, and at this level, some people will make horrendous mistakes like calling a shove with just a gutshot.
ok just had a wee hour there on the 4nl quite interesting balnace is now £261.98 about £10 profit not bad almost my hourly rate at work so heres how it broke down
2012-09-07 14:38:55
1989277176
Cash Table
Chard
Micro No Limit
£4.78
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:38:22
1989276082
Cash Table
Nailsea
Micro No Limit
£0.00
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:37:36
1989274591
Cash Table
Axbridge
Micro No Limit
£0.00
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:35:53
1989271091
Cash Table
White House
Micro No Limit
£4.01
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:34:44
1989268724
Cash Table
Jamestown
Micro No Limit
£14.14
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:33:23
1989265944
Cash Table
Charlton
Micro No Limit
£3.97
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:32:12
1989263569
Cash Table
Chapel Drive
Micro No Limit
£11.23
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:31:58
1989263114
Cash Table
Banstead
Micro No Limit
£7.92
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:31:28
1989262214
Cash Table
Well Meadow
Micro No Limit
£5.94
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:31:23
1989262030
Cash Table
Call Lane
Micro No Limit
£0.00
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:28:20
1989256022
Cash Table
Erewash
Micro No Limit
£3.01
£8.00
2012-09-07 14:27:31
1989254376
Cash Table
Calais.
Micro No Limit
£8.37
£4.65
so £10.72 profit aint bad on first go play not as crazy as i thought 1 or 2 players but in end i got my money plus back from them find that when you hit and want to keep people in 1/2 pot raise works well.
I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a set but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands.
What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch
Hand 1 is absolutely fine, always just call along cheaply with small PPs, then when it gets raised, you've only gotta call 36p to win £1.04 and can usually count on having the implied odds with sets at 4NL.
Hand 2 is completely horrific, even if I raised and someone made this move with 50BB I would snap fold, for 150BB it's just not even worth considering under any circumstances. So looks like it could have been £16 profit if not for that horrific call lol.
But yeah, that's what I said in my post but I think yuo'd already started when I posted it, there are enough bad players to get back anything you might lose from coolers/mistakes you make.
You've got no chance at NL4 playing like that. I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a pocket pair but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands. What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch Posted by died
I knew there was something fishy, and something I didn't like about your attitude from the very start of you posting died, and now it's apparent. You're the same rude person you used to be when posting under PipPunch
Hand 1 is absolutely fine, always just call along cheaply with small PPs, then when it gets raised, you've only gotta call 36p to win £1.04 and can usually count on having the implied odds with sets at 4NL. Posted by Lambert180
And this is why you failed to win any money at nl4 for an entire month.
You've got no chance at NL4 playing like that. I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a set but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands. What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch Posted by died
im playing 12 tables so tbh im playing bit robotic was a bad beat but that why i was playing so many tables for every 2 outer i done i got one back. if i missed i would fold thats how i would have played it. if you look at my biggest loss the guy got lucky and for more money it evens up. no offence intended but im not about to fold every hand to at this level a very standard raise. and sad that you think i wont make it out this level but i was pleased with 2.5 buyins profit in 1 hour
I knew there was something fishy, and something I didn't like about your attitude from the very start of you posting died, and now it's apparent. You're the same rude person you used to be when posting under PipPunch Posted by Lambert180
First time i've used her account to post actually And it will be the last. And she's probably been rude to you cause you think you run the forum or something. Anyway i won't be posting on here again. Bye
Hand 1 is absolutely fine, always just call along cheaply with small PPs, then when it gets raised, you've only gotta call 36p to win £1.04 and can usually count on having the implied odds with sets at 4NL. Hand 2 is completely horrific, even if I raised and someone made this move with 50BB I would snap fold, for 150BB it's just not even worth considering under any circumstances. So looks like it could have been £16 profit if not for that horrific call lol. But yeah, that's what I said in my post but I think yuo'd already started when I posted it, there are enough bad players to get back anything you might lose from coolers/mistakes you make. Well played and nice work for your first session. Posted by Lambert180
yea hand 1 is pretty straight forward hand 2 yea very bad call on my part but in my defence i thought the guy went allin for alot less and he had been allin 4 hands in a row so fancied the gamble as i put him very wide was correct but i dont think i make that call again. for everythin that people say i saw some good play by a few players. and obv your odd wild player but i dont understand why people get so anoyed i saw a player "donk" themselves upto about £12 and then went on to bleed it all back to table
heres a hand i would like to discuss with some 4nl regs. is this just my lack of respect to 4nl or is this a good move at this level. the way i look at it is i have one of the strongest hands in poker im in a table of players i have identified as will pay off light and they are both about half buyins
what i really want to know is this the sort of thing people do at this level that is disrespectful and will see losses or is it a good move due to the way i thought bout it
as it was min raise call call i can easy say my opponents are not holding anything as strong as ak or mid pairs to top pairs as i would have seen a raise. as said above few of these players ive seen making big calls pre with weak aces and weak kings
07 Sep '12 at 22:39 Long Eaton£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:19 Chapel Drive£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:17 Banham£8.94£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:05 Adlington£3.90£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:02 Dunster£10.99£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:00 Axbridge£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 21:59 Well Meadow£-0.97£0.00A
total profit of £10.86 so for my first day of the challenge im in total profit of £29.48 puts my br to £280.74
well my first shot at the infamous 4nl and i must say havnt come across to many problems and if you got a load of c4p on this level i would never leave it. anoyed at myself tho as at the end of the last session i lost bout £9 by playing really bad
well my first shot at the infamous 4nl and i must say havnt come across to many problems and if you got a load of c4p on this level i would never leave it. anoyed at myself tho as at the end of the last session i lost bout £9 by playing really bad Posted by DrRunGood
nice start today,
yeah the points are poor, i used to play a lot at nl4 and i could hit 4k points even with it being only 1 point per 20 hands. pre january it was 2 per 20 hands but the re jigged the points at all the levels. to say i was a little gutted was an understatement
In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE : nice start today, yeah the points are poor, i used to play a lot at nl4 and i could hit 4k points even with it being only 1 point per 20 hands. pre january it was 2 per 20 hands but the re jigged the points at all the levels. to say i was a little gutted was an understatement Posted by TINTIN
yea its a bit of a downside to small stakes i guess but i wasnt aiming for c4p main aim is to build br up to 1k to go back to 50nl what im used to using br management. il be honest i loved the 4nl tables i honestly think i could grind out 20-40 pounds a day puting in bout 6 hours had so much freedom in my play cause im not making 100 pound decisions. how many hours did you play a session tintin?
Oh be quiet you goon, i'm not multi accounting, this is my fiance's account. Posted by died
I,ve played you under pippunch but I won,t be playing again if your on table. ( i know theres plenty of cpls on here but they all seen to play under there own accounts )
Playing under 2 different names is cheating for me
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but as i said before i want to make £40 on 4nl to prove the level can be beat so i start the challenge today
my thoughts on the 4nl level is simple as many tables as pos to iron out the big variance experianced at this level
I wouldn't suggest any more than 6 tables to start because you want to get a few notes on people, I have notes on people that they will call a big overshove on the river with 2nd pr on a straightening and flushing board for instance. Some people stack off super light (probably about 70% of people at 4NL to be fair lol) but you need to know which ones they are and which ones are sitting there multi-tabling and waiting for AK or JJ+
People keep talking about variance at 4NL, but I don't think it's really that much higher variance than any other forms of the game. The key thing in 4NL is that you aint going to be really aggressive with draws, you aint gonna be bluffing etc, so you're mostly gonna be getting it in when you're good and may have to dodge an out or two, so it's really not half as swingy as people say.
For instance, the last 5 sessions I've played have all been in profit (I aint running good), and they've all contained coolers or mistakes from me where I've lost 1-2 BIs during the session, but if you stick at it and do the right things, it shouldn't be too hard to grind your way out of it and still come out with a profit. As they say, every bit of profit you make is directly in line with whether your opponent makes more mistakes than you and how big their mistakes are, and at this level, some people will make horrendous mistakes like calling a shove with just a gutshot.
gl at the tables.
Run good.
biggest lose hand
tbh none of these hands put me in a good light
Hand 2 is completely horrific, even if I raised and someone made this move with 50BB I would snap fold, for 150BB it's just not even worth considering under any circumstances. So looks like it could have been £16 profit if not for that horrific call lol.
But yeah, that's what I said in my post but I think yuo'd already started when I posted it, there are enough bad players to get back anything you might lose from coolers/mistakes you make.
Well played and nice work for your first session.
MODS PLEASE!
hand 2 yea very bad call on my part but in my defence i thought the guy went allin for alot less and he had been allin 4 hands in a row so fancied the gamble as i put him very wide was correct but i dont think i make that call again. for everythin that people say i saw some good play by a few players. and obv your odd wild player but i dont understand why people get so anoyed i saw a player "donk" themselves upto about £12 and then went on to bleed it all back to table
hand 2 if i fancy a gamble i take it v this villain, they do this with a lot worse.
might want to remove names from the hh
what i really want to know is this the sort of thing people do at this level that is disrespectful and will see losses or is it a good move due to the way i thought bout it
as it was min raise call call i can easy say my opponents are not holding anything as strong as ak or mid pairs to top pairs as i would have seen a raise.
as said above few of these players ive seen making big calls pre with weak aces and weak kings
so good or bad?
so total profit for my first day at the tables in my new challenge is £18.62 bringing my bankroll to £269.88
and brings me to almost half my £40 target profit in the 4nl
another session done on the 4nl level down
07 Sep '12 at 22:39 Long Eaton£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:19 Chapel Drive£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:17 Banham£8.94£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:05 Adlington£3.90£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:02 Dunster£10.99£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 22:00 Axbridge£-4.00£0.00A 07 Sep '12 at 21:59 Well Meadow£-0.97£0.00A
total profit of £10.86 so for my first day of the challenge im in total profit of £29.48 puts my br to £280.74
balance £284.11
yeah the points are poor, i used to play a lot at nl4 and i could hit 4k points even with it being only 1 point per 20 hands. pre january it was 2 per 20 hands but the re jigged the points at all the levels. to say i was a little gutted was an understatement
Playing under 2 different names is cheating for me