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How many of us are winning players? Truthfully.
Thread title says it all.
When i started on here last year, i played DYM's and Tournies and sucked really badly, and lost about £300. (Check my sharkscope, lol.)
I only play cash now and had massive BR swings before finally becoming a winning player consistently about 5 months ago.
So do you actually win money, break even, or are you a losing player? Discuss. Or don't.
When i started on here last year, i played DYM's and Tournies and sucked really badly, and lost about £300. (Check my sharkscope, lol.)
I only play cash now and had massive BR swings before finally becoming a winning player consistently about 5 months ago.
So do you actually win money, break even, or are you a losing player? Discuss. Or don't.
Comments
When I started on Sky, I was a typical punter, I'd played a fair amount of poker previously but never really taken it seriously and thought I was alot better than I actually was, in reality I had always been a losing player up to this point.
I was min cashing alot and blaming everybody / everything but myself about why I wasn't winning everything I entered.
I was down around £500 on here when I started to address a few leaks, do some additional studying, take advice from people on the forums and critically for me joined Team HitSquad which surrounded me with poker minded people who were happy to help me out.
Since then, I'm very glad to report my game has improved massively, I reversed the £500 loss and turned it into a very healthy profit on here at the same time my live game has also gone from strength to strength and I'm roughly £4K in profit live plus another £2K on here.
The moral here is it pays to work on your game!
Sounds familiar too - i remember telling someone 'poker is all luck, if someone is willing to go all the way with any two cards then it doesn't matter what you do, if they hit you lose'. I then stopped playing and made about £300 sportsbetting instead, until i hit a downswing on that and realised you're always fighting the odds and that in poker you can choose your own odds by picking cards and situations with the most equity. So i started studying poker and here i am haha. I'm about £600 up if you take out my first losses so i guess i'm roughly £1000 up in cash which is a couple of ton a month so not bad.
I want to move up to NL10 but every time i do and lose a few BI's i start bricking it, so i'm gonna get 40BI's before i step up again i think.
I'm speculating here, but I'd imagine active forum members are more likely to be knowledgable about poker than the average player. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 50% of the forum regulars are winning players.
Initially built a 4 figure roll at 20/30NL before getting destroyed at NL50, rebuild, repeat, rebuild repeat...
Have managed to finally stabilise since tailend of 2011 and now withdraw a helpful monthly sum (c4p helps!!)
Getting some hefty swings but riding them out better as better rolled for levels than on earlier blow-ups I mentioned.
Don't reckon too many are gonna join this thread and admit to depositing and destroying a few hundred a month mind.
I started with £5 having never played the game before, lost most of that slowly over 2 months playing 30p dym's, and have turned that round and slowly improved from there. I'm up by roughly £350 + a computer monitor in 2 1/2 years, although it's not all been smooth going.
Most of that money has been withdrawn and spent on the kids. I can't sit on even a modest poker bankroll in todays climate when there are family needs.
I mainly play the £1/£2 evening deepstacks, DTD when I can, and play nl4 if I need to balance my account or I'm not in a position to play mtts.
As yet I've not played anywhere other than Sky, the advice from the forum and the TV channel have been invaluable, with probably the biggest help being BRM.
I'm also a Hitsquad member, which has helped with my game and makes internet poker far more interesting than just playing.
I'm a long way from being a good player, but I've learnt the basics for free and hopefully can keep going forwards.
For now I'll stick to being low stakes, low volume, and play for a bit of fun.
Then I was doing well again, and beating Hu SnGs, til I went on a sick run where I just couldn't win a game and my roll plummetted back down to £90ish, I moved my roll from another site over here which gave me about £160-£170 (can't remember) about 3 weeks ago, and decided to get grinding 4NL again and take it far more seriously than I ever have, and now I got £280.
I worked it out recently, can't remember the exact figure but I was in profit... if you go to 'My account' and add up your net deposits - your net withdrawals - what you have in your account now, you get your profit for your time on Sky.
All in all, I reckon I'm probably up a small amount, but I'm definitely in profit so to have a free hoby for the past 3-4 years aint too shabby.
6,074 Games £0.26 ave win £2.31 ave stake 14.4% £1,560 67
So its been a grind to win £1500!
I am purely recreational, online poker has always been just for fun, I don't play much cash poker.
My live winnings are better and I regularily win and cash in Leeds casinos, most recently £200 and a PPUK Tour seat worth £120, I have broken even in Vegas twice with 2 small tournament wins and some good cash results.
Best ROI live was binking £2700 in the UKIPT from a £50 satellite!
Winning player Yes, serious player No!
Dave
i used to play in a weekly home game with my brother & 3 mates...
i lost £600 in just slightly under a year,but it was great fun.....usually. lol
the game then stopped due to 1 players work commitments.
that was approx 2 1/2 yrs ago now.
i then joined SKY POKER,
deposited £50
played nl4 each night only allowing myself to lose £4 each night.
went as low as about £26 from memory i think.
got it back up to the £50 then £100.
withdrew my original £50.
played nl4 badly for the nxt 12/18 months.
mainly through playing up to 12 tables at 1 point,with c4p mainly managed to win £800
withdrew money to buy new monitors and pc most recently,
b/roll went down to £40.
started a DYM challenge this may, still running,,b/roll now £940.
total winnings almost £1700.
not to shabby,for a down 'n out no good bum. lol
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dev
Just checked on the "Manage payment methods" segment of "My Account" and they are still displaying "Net Deposits". (Zero, Ahem)
Always found this a quick way of checking how much my online "hobby" was costing me.
I got to a point early last year where I made a decision to stop throwing money away online at try to break into profit.
I started a thread about it and recouped the £900 I put into Sky, I started at nl4 BTW.
If I compare myself now to when I started to change things back in May 2011, then the player I was now when I look back was just a bad loosing player. I mean my game looking back was just really bad )
But it just goes to show how much you can improve in a short space of time.
Not saying I am the greatest but the player I was is like a totally differant player.
So hard work, study - only way to become a winnig player.
To be honest at the time when I was a losing player I didn't even think I was that bad lol
But i class my self as breakeven.The biggest jumps in my roll have come about because of freerolls, comps run by sky premiership etc and comp wins on forum and 861 in which i have been lucky enough to cash in.
GIQ
Seriously, I find bragging about wins to be tasteless and I don't want people who are break even/losing to either realise this or the extent of their losses. You'll be amazed how few people know the true extent of their profit/loss. The last thing anyone should want to do is shine a flashlight on it.
I don't put a lot of work into my game. Just usually play as I am rec player so whether I eat or don't is not determined by this game :P which is always good. If I was loosing I might put in more study.
Even though im in profit i would say i am a break even player (last 10 months Deffo a losing player)
These days my br is very small and play 2/4p cash during my lunch hour to pay for my poor mtt displays on a friday/saturday night.
Profman - at the end of the day we all love our poker but it is still a form of gambling and if the oppurtunity to win a few quid arrises we will alll take it !!!!
Just read the article about Antonio Esfandiari winng the big one !!!!
Now there is a winning player (wouldnt we all like a slice of that pie lol) Nice to to see a big chunk going to charity as well.
I understand and agree about it being a form of gambling but there is a skill level as stated in court recently. Its hardly crab racing is it? I enjoy trying to improve and can see improvement in my game. As im sure you know Jim, just because you play well in a session doesn't mean that you won't lose the lot. Unfortunately, as the forum is testament to, there are players who write posts who feel entitled to be winning because of their skill level. Consequently they tilt and lose more. Why not see the money they play with in a game as the entrance fee to play and not an investment they will receive a return on.
If the prime reason is recreation then tilt needn't happen so easily. I just enjoy playing.....within my means. Maybe i've just got to a time in my life where money isn't everything and balance and contentment mean more.
. The good thing about this game is that I find you are always learning.
Gl at your tables
Paul
Winning isn't just quantified by how much money you make. Most of us probably use online poker as a way of enjoying some competition from the comfort of our sofa's, swivel chairs etc. Whether you have won 4 B.I's at NL4 or taken down the Primo it's nice to feel that you have bettered your peers in that instance.
As Scotty says losing needn't necessarily be a bad thing either if you are enjoying the recreation. My concern would be for players who are depositing and losing more than they can really afford(you can deposit with credit cards after all). If as TommyD thinks this is a common occurence then it could lead to some real discomfort for some.
I spose you are gonna get some degeneracy in any form of gambling but to think of somebody blowing the family's monthly food budget trying to spin it up on a few NL100 tables makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable.