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But I also agree with Ryan, especially on this site there are plenty of recreational players who would have spent more than they have won, they are the lifeblood of the poker economy and here to have a good time. More power to them, and I get annoyed when 'lol-pros' berate them for a poor play, they're here to enjoy their poker so don't destroy that, otherwise it'll just be Regs sat at HU tables not playing each other.
I'm thoroughly enjoying myself TY at the tables. When i stop enjoying the game for any period, i'll stop playing until i get my mojo back for it. Say hi when we r at same table eh H? All the best...
on a far more serious note....i am genuinely a winning sky bingo player. #truerungood
Me ,i am a losing poker player ,but i am very good at it.
And the small number of people slating this thread - being a small winning player myself i wanted comparisons with how well i'm doing compared to most other people. It's quite apparent that there are a few people here that are worried that players might reevaluate their games when they realise they lose money playing. To champion the forum as a great learning tool then come out with this is frankly laughable, however much of a 'reg' you are around here.
The thread also got people to give their back stories which i find helpful and interesting. If you think i'm 'bragging' about winning less than £2 an hour over the course of 15 months then you're very much mistaken. And i don't really care if you do. If you don't like me or this thread then don't post in it.
I haven't slated this thread, I gave my opinion. I say GIQ and the fact I find 'bragging unseemly' in terms of myself, I don't brag as a rule. You can probably. I don't like to see bragging in general but again this was my opinion.
You've crossed your wires a little between 'forum is a great learning tool' and 'not wanting some players know how much they are losing.' It is a great learning tool and I have spent more time than most helping players in both the Clinic and GPC. This isn't a learning thread though. I may not have taken the original post in a way it was intended but to me it just looks like 'tell us what you've won and tell us what you've lost.' I didn't read that as you being a small winner and wanting to compare to others, maybe that's my mistake or maybe the original post isn't clear enough.
I never accused you or anyone else of bragging.
And I have no problem with you or this thread. It's nice and sparky, sparky is good.
Now to put my own experience in comparison to yours making £2 an hour over the first 15 months is fine, I'd go as far to say it's pretty good these days. I was break even/small losing in MTTs here for 18 months/two years. It's all about learning and developing your game. If you're a small winner at the start it gives you a great foundation to develop your game and really kick on as you put the work into your game.
And I do think this is a good thread and hope it continues, even if I hold the position I do. It's got people talking and as long as everyone shows everyone else respect it can be nothing but positive.
On the other hand i do wonder if it affects me too. Players can gain information from this also! But your completly right in the fact that i dont want losing players to know they are losing players thats what makes winning players winning players. The amount of times ive seen players showing in the chat box that a player is a losing player because it says so in sharkscope is in my mind the dumbest thing you can do! As that losing player then knows to go to that site see they are losing and stops playing maybe! why would you tell someone there a losing player or even openly admit it, i am in profit on this site not by much as i only play low stakes and i have also been a losing player in the past but improved on it. And overal im getting better and better and making small profits over time. Some losing players on the forum are here because they want to improve and get help to improve and not stay a losing or break even player, which i think is a good thing individualy but a bad thing for winning players maybe! Does it really effect you that much? If there wasnt a forum on sky for players to improve would you make more money?
either way i think if there a bad player most of them dont come on the forums and the ones that do and are bad at this game it dosnt matter how good you are even if you were Doyal brunson they would play the same against you so you have nothing to worry about.
Celebrating a win on BBV,on a diary or a forum thread - fine. Good even, that's what BBV is there for and diaries should reflect the massive highs as well as the crunching lows.
What I am referring to is people who would give advice or a comment and then punctuate this with 'and I should know, I've won £X, etc' or people who constantly refer to themselves as huge winners and so on. That I find tasteless, there's not so many on here but on some other forums past and present there were/are tons.
I look at people's sharkscopes and a majority of graphs have a -ve gradient ie go downor stay level for about a 1000 games or so before they find their way/ strategies etc. To me that upturn is great but not essential. It's the knowledge that i'm improving my game COMBINED with the fact that i still love playing that means more.
As an example my most pleasing moments came from
A) Getting to Survivor final 1st week on SKY never playing before(cost £1 payout £0...loss £1)
b) Joining, scoring and getting my colours for Hitsquad then managing to win the overall monthly DTD. ( £5.10 per week ? probably loss made)
There was no massive cash figure involved and i also love playing Woogie's afternoon league when it all came down to the FT on the seventh day was fantastic. ( cost £2.20/day... loss made) We've had a good laugh at the tables in chat with no tilt as the money involved is miniscule and there is only pride at stake.
Has everything in this world got to be about MONEY? I'm not so naive as to think we can do without it but can't we allot some of our cash to 'entertainment' which can include online poker. I'm thoroughly enjoying playing and i wonder if the thread was based on "who still enjoys playing it" then we may get some skew results possibly. Enjoyment and winning may not be as directly related as some people may think.
It's a very British thing not to boast about yourself especially when it comes to money. Where as in America it is the Norm. I will leave it up to you to decide which is classier.
Also any loosing/break even MTT player should take a look at the SKY MTT leaderboard and see how long it took a lot of the players on there to start having an upward curve on their graph and see that there is hope for us all as long as we learn along the way.
bragging is good
It's a game, brag if you win - cry if you lose
if you go into any game with the thought of "I am going to win"
The dissapointment is just around the corner
If you think ".....................nothing................."
then hey ho in the chips go )
Personally, i can't see how grinders can enjoy the game. 6 hours at a time with 10 tables up is NOT my idea of fun and enjoyment. However if you can create an income from that then fine. I didn't like teaching maths to senior school kids at times either. Look forward to seeing in the league today mate....
Succinct as ever...
PS Hope things are going as well as possible in other areas of your life mate