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The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread - Current discussion point

edited November 2012 in Poker Chat
Ok, I’ll start us off.I’ve been told that there has been a change to the MTT schedule very recently.  The £2.30 BHer which ran nearly hourly in the early evening to evening have been changed to either be every two hours or £5.75 games.  I have also been told they were smashing the guarantees and therefore very well supported.  Would you rather have the current schedule with the fewer games or bigger buy ins; or were you a regular player of most/all the £2.30 games and would like to see them back.

I don’t play too many MTTs on a nightly basis so I’m not 100% on the facts as I detailed above although I do not doubt the people who have told me this (I do doubt my own interpretation though).  If a regular player of these on the forum could flesh out what I have said that would be great.From a personal point of view I see no reason for well supported tournaments to be altered.   Then again maybe the players of these games wanted them to be bigger buy ins.  Thoughts?
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  • edited November 2012
        *******************      Current Discussion Points     ********************

    1) The £2.30 Bher schedule change
    2) The pros and cons of making the DTD tables TV tables
    3) Should there be more speed/turbo tourneys on a nightly basis
    4) Should the 500/1k build level be introduced into every MTT on the schedule?
    5) 3-2-1 - A proposed change or addition to the MTT schedule for the evenings. Between 8:30pm and 9.30pm there should be a new MTT every half hour, one £3+reg, one £2+reg and one £1+reg. They should also be a BHer, a deepstack or rebuy, one of each a night, and the buy in should rotate around on a nightly basis. For instance:

    Monday: 8:30pm £3.30 D/S; 9pm £2.20 Rebuy; 9.30pm £1.10 BHer
    Tuesday: 8:30pm £2.20 D/S; 9pm £1.10 Rebuy; 9.30pm £3.30 BHer

    And so on.

    Do you think this is a good idea? Would you play them on a regular basis if they were on the schedule?


    ******* Please stay with these topics only for now, when spaces free up you will be able to suggest a new one ******


    I am creating this thread to provide a place for the community members to discuss the variety of changes and tweaks which periodically occur on Sky Poker.

    The first thing to emphasise is that this is not a hotline to 'Sky Towers.'  Do not expect any member of the site's administration, technical team or TV talent/crew to directly reply to you.  They are of course as welcome and encouraged to post and respond as any other community member.

    This is a level playing field to discuss and suggest among each other.  All posters' opinions are welcome.

    The next thing to emphasise is to always discuss the various issues which will come up with utter respect for each other and the site.  For those of you that don't know, I am currently a moderator on the forum.  If a post turns up abusing and ridiculing another member, I will snap delete it and you may well be blocked from continuing to use your forum privileges.  I've been around the block more than once and I understand that threads such as these can be a lightning rod for trolling and thoughtless slamming of the site/players, this really will not be tolerated.  If you are unsure where the lines are I would fully recommend that you review the Community Guidelineswhich are stickied at the top of the General Poker Chat forum.

    OK, the growlly stuff over what is this trying to achieve?  It is intended to be an open place to discuss the positives and negatives of the current state of the site.  Do you think there should be different level cash tables?  Do you think the MTT schedule could be improved?  Do you have an idea to make SnG structures better?  Well why don't you put it out there and other members of the forum will debate these points with you.  The scope for subjects is anything at all Sky Poker related.  The end aim or hope is for some of the ideas/suggestions which are formed by consensus here will be reviewed by the site.  There is of course no guarantee that this will happen, but I personally think if the people of this community put their heads together we can come up with genuinely good ideas and feedback.

    I hope this works and is a positive addition to the forum.

    And please remember the three Rs.  Respect, respect and respect.
  • edited October 2012
    Isnt this just the same as the community suggestions page on the forum?
  • edited October 2012
    Personally, I think if Sky want to mess around with tournament schedules and buy ins, they could quite reasonably be expected to have a good reason to do so, we have to let them at it and see how it goes---- and only after careful consideration of the facts should we complain that the whole site has gone flopwit stupid!!  and the best tourny has gone forever!!  -- and nobody cares!--- not even Orford!!
  • edited October 2012
    hi tommy not haveing a go at sky but we have been waiting since july for the strech tables its now october sill dont have them  what about haveing time banks dont think 20 seconds or so is long enough to make some tough decions  if sky want to be a big player in online poker they need to catch up to the big sites not for me to tell sky were to spend there buget but surley it makes sence to spend it improveing the site and less on tv
  • edited October 2012

    500/1k level in all MTTs. 

    5k/10k level in all MTTs.

    Size of add on in speed & scary rebuys to be increased from 5xbb to something more reasonable (idk what's normal but pretty sure 5xbb is just a token gesture)

    When 2x PLO10 tables are full, more must spawn! 2 is currently the max?

    Bring back 2p/4p PLO.

    At least 1 nightly velocity, speed, turbo tournament to be introduced. There used to be 2/3 a night, namely the lucky 7s, Thews at 10, 500gtd velo rebuy, 400 gtd velo rebuy. Now there aren't any. 

    Trial turbo Bounty Hunters. People will say "lol what" but they wont be anywhere near as crazy as people think, as long as they are structured right. And even if they are mad, that's what people like!

    Totally scrap the existing HU shuffle MTT format. They don't shuffle. A standard HU knockout format would be much better.




  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    500/1k level in all MTTs.  5k/10k level in all MTTs. Size of add on in speed & scary rebuys to be increased from 5xbb to something more reasonable (idk what's normal but pretty sure 5xbb is just a token gesture) When 2x PLO10 tables are full, more must spawn! 2 is currently the max? Bring back 2p/4p PLO. At least 1 nightly velocity, speed, turbo tournament to be introduced. There used to be 2/3 a night, namely the lucky 7s, Thews at 10, 500gtd velo rebuy, 400 gtd velo rebuy. Now there aren't any.  Trial turbo Bounty Hunters. People will say "lol what" but they wont be anywhere near as crazy as people think, as long as they are structured right. And even if they are mad, that's what people like! Totally scrap the existing HU shuffle MTT format. They don't shuffle. A standard HU knockout format would be much better.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    +1 to al this... 

    Could defo do with some faster structure mtts, and i like the idea of turbo BH's too.

    I like the idea of a "Turbo Tuesday", were the main for that night is 7 min blinds and finishes before midnight so it can be shown on the channel. I think this would help generate interest from new players, and it would be a throw back to the old days... Turbo opens were fun!

    Also the mtt lobby needs cleaning up a bit still. There are hilo mtts that are never played (£11 ones)

    Nice idea for a thread Tommy. Let's hope everyone will provide constructive feedback. 



  • edited October 2012

    Either

    a) Bring Back Master cash tables 1 & 2

    or

    b) Make the Monday night DTD tournaments "TV Tables"

    or

    c) Both of the above


    These would appear to be the only way small stakes players can get their hands on TV

  • edited October 2012

    To answer your query re the £2.30 bh

    previously games started at

    1750 1850 2005 2045 2125 2205

    last night the 2005 had a £500 gtee with 394 runners!!

    1750 30+ runners no gtee

    1850 120+ no gtee with late reg

    2005 300+ every night £500 gtee with late reg

    2045 150+ £300 gtee with late reg

    2125 150+ £300 gtee with late reg

    2005 didn't play it that often but always had 100+ £200 gtee I think

    My main point in this was, why change things in the first place, and why not tell us????

    Most nights when there is a change to a ME it is plastered all over the site, I think there is even a dedicated thread, but no communication with NEXT years ME players!!!

  • edited October 2012

    As soon as you get a big stack in a tourny, you get moved to a table with all the other big stacks
  • edited October 2012
    RE


    SIZABLE


    TABLES



    PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    500/1k level in all MTTs.  5k/10k level in all MTTs. Size of add on in speed & scary rebuys to be increased from 5xbb to something more reasonable (idk what's normal but pretty sure 5xbb is just a token gesture) When 2x PLO10 tables are full, more must spawn! 2 is currently the max? Bring back 2p/4p PLO. At least 1 nightly velocity, speed, turbo tournament to be introduced. There used to be 2/3 a night, namely the lucky 7s, Thews at 10, 500gtd velo rebuy, 400 gtd velo rebuy. Now there aren't any.  Trial turbo Bounty Hunters. People will say "lol what" but they wont be anywhere near as crazy as people think, as long as they are structured right. And even if they are mad, that's what people like! Totally scrap the existing HU shuffle MTT format. They don't shuffle. A standard HU knockout format would be much better.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    i dont know if they are bringing it in slowly but there was a 500/1k level in the mini last night
  • edited October 2012
    Its all well and good having a nice shiny UKOPS series, just a shame this site is lviing in dark ages compared to everyone else when it comes to bringing in ******** antes!!!!
  • edited October 2012
    Auto seating so i dont have to keep rotating my seat around when new tables open up when im multitabling and also auto top up.
  • edited October 2012
    A hand replayed, every site has one except sky and i think it would really help
  • edited October 2012
    Ok, everyone stop for a moment.

    The key word in the thread title is discussion.  A discussion is not everyone saying 'I want this' and hardly anyone stopping to discuss a previous element brought to the thread.  Probably my fault, I thought it was implied when I should have been implicit.  I suggest we discuss two or three at a time until 'the well is dry' then move on to new ones.  Sorry to sound all pompous but this is a blooming mess.

    Ok, I'll try to chair this (more than willing for a volunteer to take this over from me) and we'll start with three of the topics brought up so far.  We will get to the others in time but I think we need to focus this a little  They will be:

    1)  The £2.30 Bher schedule change
    2)  The pros and cons of making the DTD tables TV tables
    3)  Should there be more speed/turbo tourneys on a nightly basis

    Quick answer to Sighcall's direct question, that section of the forum doesn't encourage discussion about suggestions and reaction to changes as this one is intended to be, there is some crossover but this is meant to have more to it than just what that board provides.

    Also briefly on antes and stretchy tables, there's not much to discuss there, we've been told they are coming in, there are other places to enquire on time frames for introduction and the general topics (especially antes) has been done to death on so many threads already.
  • edited October 2012
    On number 3, I think there should be a turbo night, obv tuesday works.. but for this to really work and be a GOOD turbo.. first the structure needs to be altered... i.e. more balanced and antes. Sky already have a weekly turbo tournament.. it's called the thursday 12k bh ;-). So imo that should wait until the software improves.
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    RE SIZABLE TABLES PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE
    Posted by donkeyplop

    I think resizable tables is a good one! Whenever i start using the standard view button skypoker often lags
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    Ok, I’ll start us off. I’ve been told that there has been a change to the MTT schedule very recently.   The £2.30 BHer which ran nearly hourly in the early evening to evening have been changed to either be every two hours or £5.75 games.   I have also been told they were smashing the guarantees and therefore very well supported.   Would you rather have the current schedule with the fewer games or bigger buy ins; or were you a regular player of most/all the £2.30 games and would like to see them back. I don’t play too many MTTs on a nightly basis so I’m not 100% on the facts as I detailed above although I do not doubt the people who have told me this (I do doubt my own interpretation though).   If a regular player of these on the forum could flesh out what I have said that would be great. From a personal point of view I see no reason for well supported tournaments to be altered.    Then again maybe the players of these games wanted them to be bigger buy ins.   Thoughts?
    Posted by TommyD

    Personally this is the least of skypokers worries, I think the software needs a bit of a revamp! Why does the software lag etc!
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread : Personally this is the least of skypokers worries, I think the software needs a bit of a revamp! Why does the software lag etc!
    Posted by Troyvus
    This may be more your pc spec/broadband than software lag.

    I have a new laptop and run 4 tables with no problems.
  • edited October 2012
     I think the idea of more turbo MTT's is a great one. The other night when there was an outage and a turbo main event was put on it proved very successful. As the majority of players on here are recreational and have work in the morning it is nice to know the main event finishes before midnight. 
    The other view would be to change the main event to a 7pm start. The whole mtt's schedule seems to be run to late in my opinion, would love to see whole schedule moved forward an hour.
    Would also like to see the intro of turbo multi table sng's, a bit like another sites. 
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread : This may be more your pc spec/broadband than software lag. I have a new laptop and run 4 tables with no problems.
    Posted by donkeyplop
    What about the people that want to play a lot of tables? I've seen countless people say they want to play more than that but can't due to the lag. Sometimes this may well be because of their pc spec or internet connection, however, the site still runs the rubbish flash-based software which doesn't help matters. I don't know of ANY other site that I can't play 20+ tables on, here I can't play more than 7/8.

    If they sorted that out then they'd be getting a lot more revenue in rake so I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet (although it's been on the promised to do list for over a year....)
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread : Personally this is the least of skypokers worries, I think the software needs a bit of a revamp! Why does the software lag etc!
    Posted by Troyvus
    Several players have expressed a concern to me about it.  As I laid out in my original post this thread is for players and community members to discuss elements of SkyPoker, not to have a long list with 'Sky should do...' at the start of every line.

    We're sticking with the three points in question at the moment until the general consensus is either reached or that the discussion has run it's course.  Anyone can get involved but I would ask for the discussion to not be derailed by other issues.  When a spot frees up we'll move on to other matters.
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread : This may be more your pc spec/broadband than software lag. I have a new laptop and run 4 tables with no problems.
    Posted by donkeyplop

    Macbook pro and 40mb internet suggests otherwise. I know a number of people with a similar problem. 
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    On number 3, I think there should be a turbo night, obv tuesday works.. but for this to really work and be a GOOD turbo.. first the structure needs to be altered... i.e. more balanced and antes. Sky already have a weekly turbo tournament.. it's called the thursday 12k bh ;-). So imo that should wait until the software improves.
    Posted by percival09
    I too love the idea of a turbo night.  The Thursday BHer is pretty nifty as they do try to aim for a finish in show, helps complete the TV experience and with it normally being simulcast on SkySports the casual viewer will not only want but expect a conclusion.

    I usually have other commitments on Thursday nights but if I was free I think a night where the focus on turbos would be rather fun and exercises a different skill set of MTT strategy (they are not as much of a crapshoot as people think, there are some really good pros on other sites who specialise and beat turbo tournies).

    The structure may take a little tinkering but I think it's an excellent idea which offers some variety for the recreational player.
  • edited October 2012
    just a suggestion, perhaps try and include the 3 current subjects in the thread title so people who are just browsing can quickly come on and comment if it's a topic that involves them. E.g. £2.20 bhs, turbo mtts w.e.. so then ppl who just play cash might not feel the need to enter and comment, and when it changes to things like auto top up then those people can come on etc...
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    To answer your query re the £2.30 bh previously games started at 1750 1850 2005 2045 2125 2205 last night the 2005 had a £500 gtee with 394 runners!! 1750 30+ runners no gtee 1850 120+ no gtee with late reg 2005 300+ every night £500 gtee with late reg 2045 150+ £300 gtee with late reg 2125 150+ £300 gtee with late reg 2005 didn't play it that often but always had 100+ £200 gtee I think My main point in this was, why change things in the first place, and why not tell us???? Most nights when there is a change to a ME it is plastered all over the site, I think there is even a dedicated thread, but no communication with NEXT years ME players!!!
    Posted by kaymac
    I agree with Kaymac that an announcement of tournie schedule changes should be made when they are this big.  We don't need a post when a tournament which has been cancelled five times on the spin due to lack of players is dropped, mainly because no one was playing it so it's unlikely anyone would care.  If these were breaking guarantees then they are well supported with a lot of return business from night to night and a lot of people entering many of them in a single night.  These would be missed and I would like those changes announced (including things like if the change was permanent, if it's seasonal, if the change is a trial etc).

    As I said earlier I don't really examine the schedule that closely, I will however be looking closely at it for the next week now to see if the changes have continued and how well supported the changed schedule is before I form a full opinion.  Of course with a Buy In change it could be a whole new group of players are playing the the previous players are 'out in the cold' so my opinion will not be formed solely from this.

    I'm hoping some more regular players of these tournaments will give their opinions as I haven't played one of these for some time.

    I also fully agree with Kaymac's sentiment at the end of his post, a lot of MTT grinders on this site work their way up from these small games.  The Main Event Regs for the coming years will, in my opinion, consist of a lot of the low buyin grinders playing the schedule right now.
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    just a suggestion, perhaps try and include the 3 current subjects in the thread title so people who are just browsing can quickly come on and comment if it's a topic that involves them. E.g. £2.20 bhs, turbo mtts w.e.. so then ppl who just play cash might not feel the need to enter and comment, and when it changes to things like auto top up then those people can come on etc...
    Posted by percival09
    Very good idea Perce, going to alter the idea a bit though for brevity.
  • edited October 2012


      Forum DTD is just getting Better & Better we now have Prizes for Weekly top 3 as well as the Monthly top 3, I think it would be Great Idea if we could get some TV Coverage maybe once a Month to start off with, wether it'll happen or not i don't know
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread : Several players have expressed a concern to me about it.  As I laid out in my original post this thread is for players and community members to discuss elements of SkyPoker, not to have a long list with 'Sky should do...' at the start of every line. We're sticking with the three points in question at the moment until the general consensus is either reached or that the discussion has run it's course.  Anyone can get involved but I would ask for the discussion to not be derailed by other issues.  When a spot frees up we'll move on to other matters.
    Posted by TommyD
    you,re right what you,re saying tommy but i think it would be difficult to keep an organised debate without it drifting on to other topics or being derailed somehow.
    back to topic :) i think putting the dtd on tv can only benifit the site,putting a team based tourny on the tv could catch on and could possibly get bigger with bigger prizes
  • edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread:
    RE SIZABLE TABLES PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE
    Posted by donkeyplop
    +1 - This would be the best improvement the site could make!
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