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MINI EVENTS
Follwing the thread started by Sky about increasing the price of the mini event to £5-50 I now see that the last 4 Minis including tonight have all been priced at £5-50, the last £3-30 event being Fridays Mini Open. Does this mean that all Minis are now £5-50 irrespective of the main buy in being £33 or £55? If this is so Sky I would like some answers.
Why were we not informed that the dearer price was being adopted after the "trial run"?
As you well know the Minis were a way for the smaller BR player to take on some of the bigger names and try and improve their game. I am not rolled to pay £5-50 for every Mini so now will stop playing them and I'm sure I won't be the only one. You've taken yet another option away from the smaller rolled player and done this after a "trial" where I believe the outcome was never in any doubt.
At the bottom of this page there are large letters that say responsible gambling. This works both ways and Sky have done nothing with this move to encourage it.
I love playing on this site but this decision I believe is wrong. Don't forget players with a big BR can afford to play any game they want. Us smaller players are slowly being squeezed out and I don't like it one little bit.
A very disillusioned FlyingDagg.
Why were we not informed that the dearer price was being adopted after the "trial run"?
As you well know the Minis were a way for the smaller BR player to take on some of the bigger names and try and improve their game. I am not rolled to pay £5-50 for every Mini so now will stop playing them and I'm sure I won't be the only one. You've taken yet another option away from the smaller rolled player and done this after a "trial" where I believe the outcome was never in any doubt.
At the bottom of this page there are large letters that say responsible gambling. This works both ways and Sky have done nothing with this move to encourage it.
I love playing on this site but this decision I believe is wrong. Don't forget players with a big BR can afford to play any game they want. Us smaller players are slowly being squeezed out and I don't like it one little bit.
A very disillusioned FlyingDagg.
Comments
I agree with you about why did SKY bother asking but this gambling responsibly bit is not relevent to your point at all.
I agree with FD here with regards the way in which this has been done but feel that the responsible gambling
arguement is detracting from the main issue. The mini events were introduced as a result of a forum comp.
and were proposed by Maxally. His proposal was that the minis should cost 10% of the main. They were recognised
by Sky as worthy of atrial run and the awarding of a prize to Alan.
Now i cant remember how long they have been running but they have been very successful and so successful that
they now form part of the Jackpot promo.
Obviously the pricing of tournies, rake charged, schedules etc are all within Sky's remit and they are entitled to alter
or amend these as they see fit, they are after all a business.
However, the thing that annoys people is the way they have gone about this and other changes. WHY ask for feedback
on the forum, listen to the views of the customer, announce a trial (the results of which have not been published) and
then just implement the changes with no announcement.
Pretty poor IMO.
If they do not have sats into the mini make your own by playing a £3 sng or any variation you like.
I have put on the forum before that the mini should be 10% of the main buy in and I still think this
By the way Dohhhhhhh I agree there are still other games but the reasonable price of the Mini was a bridge between the small and medium stake players. It was the only chance for the likes of me to share a tourney with Yoyo, MrBurns, Scotty77 etc., knowing I had to play to my best to get a cash. (notwithstanding Sats of course).
Excluding roulette and 15min donk athon timed tournies there can be an hour or more between games.
Where as mid to high buy-in games run 2-3 an hour.
Good morning all.
I just need to clear my overnight "to-do" list, then I'll reply to this thread.
Bear with me please.
Hi again.
Let me first deal with pure facts, then I'll try & reply to a few of the questions & comments.
More follows.....
The schedules change all the time, nothing is ever cast in stone, this is quite natural.
Currently, the "Mini" Schedule consists of 5 x £5.50 Buy-Ins, & two x £3.30 Buy-Ins.
£5.50's are Every night except Wednesday & Friday, £3.30's are Wednesday & Friday.
So tonight it is £3.30.
There are no current plans that I am aware of to change this in either direction.
They may, or may not, change the scheduling & Buy-Ins in the light of Customer Experience.
The Guarantees on the Mini Bounty Hunters (Monday, Thursday, Saturday), ALL of which currently come in at £5.50, are being increased effective tomorrow & henceforth, from £1,500 to £2,000.
This is only possible due to the number of players playing these £5.50 BH's.
It is completely understood that £5.50 is beyond the pockets of some players, by the same token, it is clear by player numbers that it suits very many players.
The Buy-Ins for every Mini-Main will be kept under permanent scrutiny & review by the Business, as all Sky Poker products are.
I think it is by now understood by both parties that it will never be possible to be all things to all players, & that Players always have a choice of Sites to play on. As such, the Business tries very hard to strike a balance, to offer something for everyone.
"Sky do not want smaller rolled players on the site any more".
Nothing could be further from the truth.
It is very rare that there is not at least one Promotion going on that is aimed at the smaller-rolled Tourney players.
Currently they have "New-vember" which is aimed at exclusively at lower-stake players, and such Promotions will continue from time to time.
Smaller-staked players are a very important part of any Online Poker Room, but even more so at Sky Poker because it fits very well with their acquisition model - players who are new to poker.
But there is another side to that coin.......
There are also mudium & high stake players, & they have exactly the same rights, & they need looking after too.
Then there are SNG players, & cash players........
It is not easy to be all things to all men.
We also need to keep things in perspective. We are discussing here low-staked Tourneys, which are an important part of the Business. As are.....
Medium Stake Tourneys
High Stake Tourneys
Low Stake SNG's
Medium Stake SNG's
High Stake SNG's
Low Stakes Cash
Medium Stakes Cash
High Stakes Cash
Cutting the cake in a way which appeals to all will never be easy.
Note also that cash games generate - by a very long way - the majority of site traffic, with the balance split between Tourneys & SNG's, then sub-divided again by Buy-In Level.
So, though we are unlikely to agree on this, the Business DOES value lower-stake players, & will continue so to do. It will also keep changing the mix of buy-ins & structures, they will never be "the same for ever". Only by doing so can they accurrately gauge player interest.
"The decision to change the buy-ins was pre-determined".
This is incorrect.
"The decisions have been made & are permanent".
No they are not.
"They never announced the change".
Guilty as charged - with a plea of mitigation!
Have you ever counted the number of different products Sky Poker offer? Allowing for different buy-ins & formats, there are, literally, hundreds. It would just not be possible to "announce" them all.
The mix & balance of these are changed every single week, sometimes daily - there are changes galore, all the time, every day, every week.
I happen to hold the personal view that it is good to talk, & communication is a VERY important thing, & I'd like to think we could do it better. It's not been noticed by a soul (or not mentioned, that I have seen) but communication has been much increased of late.
It is my personal view that it would be good to mention, or "announce" every change, but really, that's never going to happen, there are too many.
In the case of "staple diet" stuff, which includes the Mini, yes, I think, wherever possible, it should be communicated.
Note, by the way, that we are just taking amongst ourselves, the "Community", but the Community is a very small % of the overall player-base, when discussing these matters we need to consider EVERYONE, not just the Community.
Can the Business do these things better? Yes, of course it can. And it will keep trying.
"Sky will implement whatever they want, irrespective of feedback".
Well yes, it's their Business, they can do as they like. But.....they would not ask for feedack if they did not plan to listen to it, what would be the point?
So they take feedback in a variety of ways. By listening, by asking, by talking, & especially by looking at the Data. They combine all those things, or try to. I don't know this as a fact, as I have not asked, but it seems to me that examining the data is easily the most important means of "feedback", as the data is real, not opinion.