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A fair way to select the APAT team?
Well, i don't quite know what to make of all this really! i am fairly new to sky poker as you all know, So i am going to sleep on this one and post tomorrow morning. On a personal note to finish 2nd was a great result as that's the 2nd final table in a week and they are the only 2 times i have managed that on sky, but the gloss is taken off with all the arguing that has taken place. The thing that worries me is we're supposed to be a team an all this in fighting is not a good omen 
but like i said i am going to sleep on it as i want to make a post with a clear head!! I do hope this will be resolved 1 way or another 
Comments
I've just got back from North Wales on a must superb day trip on board the Orient Express which i would recommend to anybody (Even Tikay lol!) as it was first class and right now as i am typing this i'm certainly not in any mood to start any sort of moaning or arguments just because i missed leg 2 of this.
I was not here for leg 2 and if i've missed out, then so be it and i'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
If there is to be some decision regarding those like myself who have missed out and there is to be a seperate tourney or not then whatever decision is finally made then i will support it 110%.
Secondly, some of us actually are pretty desperate to play the APAT event. I'm probably going to be there anyway as a) its my local casino, and b) all my mates will be there playing for various different teams. But I'm not the type of player who can just stand around all day railing, and this is one event I'm determined to qualify for...and I don't feel it's fair that myself and others are missing out because of prior commitments which, in some cases, had been re-arranged for the Thursday tournament.
Also, we need to come up with something to fall back on if this happens again. It's pretty obvious that having it the very next day doesn't work, so I suggest that if it happened again, we reschedule for the following Monday. Everybody knows and has a day or 2 to rearrange things should it be needed.
a) Withdraw Sky from the tournament
b) Flashflush as Captain, he picks the 7 players
c) Play week 3 for Double points with all 27 runners.
Personally I favour b or c as I would like to play in this as I am prob unlikely to have the bankroll for an SPT event and is a local casino to my parents.
Thats my opinion, I am happy to vote for a solution that compensates the unfortunate problem that occurred but in no way disadvantages those who cancelled things and were inconvienced for setting aside their Friday night and who at times were made to feel like they shouldn't be playing by the returning players who railed, I had to switch the chat box off at one point I was so appalled.
Dave
I can see both sides of the argument for those that played and could not play or did not know of the revised date.
Surely a fair way would be 50% of qualification points for this particular heat??
Please wait and see how we officially resolve this and then please reconsider, everybody who played is definately in favour of some sort of solution be it a another tourney or half points so I'm sure we can reach agreement. I for one want you as part of the Sky Poker team and hope you reconsider when we agree on something.
Dave
a) i didnt know that apat tourney was changed to friday
b) it was unfair there wasnt more notice
c) sky staff shouldnt be allowed to play ( not just bernier but any others ) they could/should have their own team there automaticly.
but as always, ive been made to look like the villian. i wasnt verbally abusing or attacking sky bernie (which has been totally hyped up by a certain individual who seems to be after a big pat on the back) i just made my opinion know .
i also think that these tourneys shoulda had atleast 1000 poker point buyin so that regular poker players on sky only could enter them... imo i know others may not agree but thats their choice...
I think I need to make a Post - ina new Thread - about the spirit & ethos of APAT.
It's clear that some have missed the point of APAT.
We don't do arguments during Tourneys, & we behave a little more graciously than some did last night.
Last night was a PRIVATE Tournament, organised by Sky Poker players, & Bernie was INVITED to play it, as an APAT Member.
I will give it some thought before deciding whether to Post further on this matter, or indeed start a Thread explaining the ethos of APAT.
We (APAT) just don't have or allow this sort of name-calling nonsense, harassment & heckling, ever.
I have writen to my colleagues in APAT & asked them to review the whole matter.
As we are all aware the tournament was cancelled on Thursday due to an unforeseen software glitch and I responded to the post on the forum by putting it the lobby first thing Friday morning, but obviously some players could not play or were not aware of it and feel aggrieved as they want to battle to be part of the team.
But I just want to add for clarity that this is a "private" tournament, and not a Sky tournament, to select the 8 players for the APAT team event.
Therefore there are two considerations here - the players who played last night and earned points and the ones who did not. I think it would be unfair for the players who played last not to keep their points. (I got some points but in this instance I'm considering everyone who played from a neutral point of view)
My personal recommendation, based on the above is to run a second tournament for the players who did not play last night, giving both parties the opportunity to earn the same number of points from week 2. This means that going forward as from next Thursday, everything is then on a level footing in terms of the opportunity for all players to earn a place in the APAT team. (Remember 8 of you will form the APAT team, so we consider all potential team members points of view)
I think we need to draw a line under this quickly, and as a “team” consider the points I have made above. I will review the post in here on Monday and if the consensus is to go my proposed route I will put a second tournament for the non players in the lobby on Wednesday. The decision is yours, as I am dealing with this, as stated above, with my neutral hat on in an effort to reconcile both sides.
Regards,
Bernie
I do agree that Flash should be made captain for this as it was all his idea in the first place and i could not care less who plays in these qualifiers as long as whoever wins places for the APAT tourney here in sunny Manchester represents Sky Poker with class and dignity.
Like anyone in here, i'd be honoured to represent Sky Poker in any sort of team tournament but i would not want to be part of a team where there may be forms of hostility which woule be sad to see!!!.
".....As for sky bernie mate, he was invited on the original thread and no objections were raised mate, i think this may of been the time to bring this up. I also think that all the chat should of been done on the forum and not at the table as people were trying to concentrate. But as previously stated it was emotive and i think we should just all chill about it now....."
This.
APAT hold the same position here - it expects it's Member's to conduct themelves with class & dignity, & have a Duty to other Members to make sure the game is played in the right spirit, & people come away from APAT Events having had a warm experience, win or lose.
APAT are never going to allow their events to be tainted by bickering, heckling, or bad blood. There is huge over-demand for Team Slots at this Event, so this whole thing needs to calm down & be conducted in a better spirit. Debate is fine, all day & all night, no problem. But personal abuse - no way. And once an Event starts, thats it, bringing the argument to the Table is wrong wrong wrong, & won't be tolerated by APAT.
I speak as APAT Chairman, & not on behalf of Sky Poker.
Thanks for Sky for putting £50 into each qualifier - something genuinely unexpected
The technical issues on Thursday were beyond anyone's control and the knock-on effect was felt by all.
Personally I was looking forward to the qualifier all day Thursday and when it was cancelled, assumed it would be Friday. I was lucky enough to be able to get online, see it was and change my plans for the night.
People's main gripe is not that Friday was inconvenient for them, they just didn't know and it was too short notice if they did. This is understandable, but look at Day 1d of the WSOP, that was TJ Cloutier and the most prestigious poker tournament in the world, and even they can't please everyone.
Obviously people that played on Friday are going to feel aggrieved if the result does not stand, like I said, I cancelled plans to make it.
The decision to run it on Friday was obviously not made to inconvenience anyone. "Sky Suits" have no interest in who the Final 8 are. There are still 3 weeks to go in this, looking at the table, next week anyone with 1pt can win and be in the Top 8, the bubble can win and be 2nd, with 2 weeks still to play!
I'm not in favour of a half-point tourney for the non-registered. Last (12th) place would net 2points, which is more than people who managed to get in the Friday one and came last got, so people could ladder a few places and get a nice points total.
I would say a fairer way would be to count your best 4 results from the 5 qualifiers, that way if people miss a leg by choice or accident, they're not out of it. I don't know what I am doing the next 3 Thursdays, I want to qualify obviously, but there are bigger things in life outside of poker.
I chose to enter this tourney as I'm a pretty new player to Sky and I had a great time at SPT Manchester - was on the same table as DELTA, maggiesdad and OnlyOneCT, I chatted with FlashFlush and GREGHOGG during the day and saw this as a chance to play some players who love the game, have some banter and at the end there was the bonus of the APAT.
I'll go along with whatever Sky choose to do, I had faith on Thursday during the game it would be sorted. Bernie said Sky would look at the situation and that should have been the end of it. Finish the game and look at what can be done afterwards, there is still 3 weeks to go, then the APAT isn't until late Jan. A decision did not need to be made that night and we don't need to rush into one now.
To get into the forums, I have to click on "Community" and that's what I thought this was. Sky always look after their players, we've got the TKO and Santa promos running at the moment. Hopefully this will all be resolved and if people don't feel it's fair, they don't have to enter any more legs. Don't forget we all want the chance to represent Sky Poker and the Sky Poker Forums and this isn't exactly the face we want to show.
Might have rambled a bit, but I've been to-ing and fro-ing to this message since I got up this morning.
As everyone is getting splinters in their proverbial from sitting on the fence ill make a decision that should suit everyone.:-)
Results from Friday WILL STAND, and I will ask Bernie to make a tourney for the other players that could not register for Fridays game. The rescheduled game will be on Monday 7pm. Points on Mondays game will start at 1 point and will increase each time a player is out. There will be 13 available to play in this so the points will be the same as Fridays tourney.
This will put us on a level playing field and will continue as normal on Thursday.
Now lets all forget what happened, sky rearranged a game for us at the nearest time possible (and what the majority voted for) they thought they were helping us out!!
Good luck to the 13 on Monday and I will see you all again Thursday
Charlie
Closed as far as I am concerned then - good luck on Monday guys.
Can we make sure everyone who should be in it then gets a PM to make sure they are aware.
Not wishing to throw a spanner in the works, but what if only 10 register - then last place would get 4 points by default.
I would say a better way was last gets 1point, 2nd last 2 points, all the way up to 1st, however many that would be.
Then if it is a shorter field, there is no advantage...?
I thank Charlie for making a determined decision about this and you as fellow members should respect his decision. He thought this up and got the ball rolling.If it wasn't for people like Flashflush none of us would even have the chance to compete in the APAT. I ask you all to grow up and take it on the chin if you missed out. Whatever team Sky put out will be force at the APAT, Good luck to all of you that are registered for this, but please put it to bed now, it's getting boring.
In that case, sorry, I must've misunderstood.
Or alternatively, great minds this alike!
Hope this is sorted now, forums have been great since TKO was announced, let's get some of this spirit back in the APAT qualifiers!
Cool, my first official Tikay +1.
If you ever make a good Post, I'll do it.
Seriously, I think your (entirely voluntary & selfless) work to get a Sky Poker Team into the APAT Event is exactly what APAT is about, & I'm sure you werre, like so many of us, gutted at what went off last night.
+ 1/2 any good?
Forums are THE most peculiar things, they live & breathe, & have moods. It does not take much to turn the mood sour, equally the mood can easily be restored. (I think Forums are female).
The mood here the last week has been perfect+, but have you seen how fractious it is today, all over the Forum? That's what happens when it kicks off.
And NOW we have Members Posting specifically to lighten the mood & tone, to bring it back, as it were.
You could say lets get things back on track..... (chooo chooo!)
I'll get me coat ;-)