Every Don has its day

The_Don90

Defo might be a shout jj, HU is a something ive seen as a weakness this past year or so. So will look over some things. 

I have also whooped you at pointless several times, the last 2 where flukes based on redic questions. 

Variance sucks. 

The_Don90

When will it end

I've named this update after JJ's favorite line to annoy me when I'm annoyed/tilted, or whatever the circumstance maybe. 

The more i play, the more beats/coolers i see. Everytime it seems I'm on the wrong end. That defo can't be the case, but I certainly feel like im on the wrong end of the important ones. By that i mean the ones that are worth our tournament or a decent percentage of our stack. 

I played the other day but didn't update. it was a small session. This session isn't much better. 5 mtts, total time lasted, 1 hour. 

One i technically did freeroll, and i won't complain, the exit is very annoying but thats poker. That was the 30k rebuy thing. I spent a today of $5, and first hand i shove after the addon i get called and lose. I have 1/4 of a bb. I recover to a stack which would be in decent shape for cashing before my AK is cracked by AQ. Sigh.

Another, very early i get AJ in a 3b pot. I fold pre if the 3b was actually sized properly. Flop lands AJT booyah. In it goes v kings. Q on the river. Sigh. left crippled before running TT into QQ BvB for 15bb. 

The next one was strange i increased my stack early with a bizzare pot. Anyways, i then lost a strange pot when someone decided to call me 2 streets with 6 high and got there on the river with a 6. I had my Ace high and was barreling off. I then doubled with TT v AQ, before running QQ into AA BvB for around 45bb. 

The other 2 i never got going in. One was a hyper i took 2 standard spots that went against me, literally standard as standard goes. The other was a standard 6 max turbo where i never got above starting stack. The exit was strange guy decided to check raise 2nd pair and stacked off to a jam. Annoyiny i read him for that kind of hand, and decided he couldn't call. I was wrong. 

I really feel like im playing ok, not perfect but ok, good enough to be beating €5 mtts. However I just cant seem to cash anymore.  

I have considered the hu option but hu bores me, i dont know why it just does. However given how bad i am at cash, and dyms, i might be left with no other option.  

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Every Don has its day. (prep for ukops and 2014):

I have considered the hu option but hu bores me, i dont know why it just does. However given how bad i am at cash, and dyms, i might be left with no other option.  
Posted by The_Don90

You have a mindset before you even give it a try, which is wrong.

Yes you've played bits and bobs of HU before but never over a sustained period. Also you weren't as good then as you are now. You didn't have as much of a roll as you have now. You were even more of a mental game fish back then than you are now.

Just give it a go.

And by a go, I mean 100 games at least, not 3 games, lose 3 flips, and decide you can't win.


When will it end? When you find a grind game to cushion these losses

Mon the Don.

jdsallstar

Hi Don never posted on your diary before but always enjoy reading it!

After reading it for over last while seems like your building up a lot of tilt and I suppose I just wanted to say be careful/keep an eye on it. 

The_Don90

The HU game begins

Hi Jdsallstar, yeah I would agree. I need to gain some momentum and that will soon die off though. I think a huge factor in poker is momentum. On top of that when you have none its easy to not take a spot because of the fear of being called. I think I have improved the tilt over the years but I worry a big blow up is around the corner.

So I started playing HU. Think I played reasonably well but began to tilt then my mother arrived for a cuppa so thought it was best to stop.




It was a stange one, a friend watched and said if I ran EV i'd have had something similar to a 40% ROI, over a small sample admittedly, but I think that gives an idea to how I ran.

The strange thing is of all the "key" hands, the one that I won, was the only one that I felt, I could have played that better. So i'll post that up. Given that I was playing speeds and stacks where 1500, this was the only pot I won over 1k. The rest where all bad beats, in good and losing standard stuff. sigh.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1530.00
The_Don90	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1425.00
	Your hole cards	4 A
x	Raise		135.00	180.00	1395.00
The_Don90	Call		120.00	300.00	1305.00
Flop
		K 9 A
The_Don90	Check
x	Bet		300.00	600.00	1095.00
The_Don90	Call		300.00	900.00	1005.00
Turn
		3
The_Don90	Check
x	Check
River
		K
The_Don90	Check
x	Bet		900.00	1800.00	195.00
The_Don90	Call		900.00	2700.00	105.00
x	Show	8 9
The_Don90	Show	4 A
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Kings	2700.00		2805.00

I think JJ has something to this though, Admittedly I was only playing £2 games, but I felt I could crush them. Its a shame I would struggle to multi table them though tbh as one tabling, even hu bores the monkey out of me.

Lambert180

Don't really see how you could have played the above hand any better... other than folding pre Post flop is perfect imo. But even if villain is a maniac, calling 5x raises OOP with raggy aces is gonna give you a real brain ache.

TeddyBloat

If he is 5x raising as standard we need to defend with  at least 1-(135÷(135+45) = 25% of hands or he'll show an instant profit on his raise.

A4s we defo want play., esp against a maniac. We need a read to do otherwise.

I like flatting rag aces this deep as our opponent wont always give us credit on A high flops as we 3 bet most aces: it undereps our holding and gives our range strength on single raised A high flops. also when 3betting rag aces  and leading on an A high flop we're likely only getting action when we have little equity.

If we were shallower and the villain was 5xing lots we can profitably jam a suited ace too.

I also like your play post.

Cheers, 

TEDDY

DOHHHHHHH

I'm in the fold camp for the A4s.

I 'don't do maths' really outside of the absolute basics, but if folding too often to a 5x is a mathematical leak it's only a small one, and one we can afford given our edge in the game. We're prob losing a fraction of a big blind everytime we make a slightly -ev fold? idk.

I like to play risk averse early v these types of players, especially out of position & in a speed which has more play.

If the guys 5xing its going to be really easy to re-exploit him and force him to make bigger mistakes sooner or later so we don't mind folding here even if it is exploitable.

Dnt think we need to take marginally +ev/high variance spots when we have a significant skill edge.

Also agree that post flop is fine.

benc

Don what stakes HU and structure are you playing? i've played aload of 5.25 turbos since thursday nearly 300 games and the standard is very soft. The majority of players have no idea how to play HU specially end game strategy, give it a real go as doooh says over a good sample of games, now the turbo structures are back to how they were its very easy to play solid early on and capitalize on mistakes in the early levels and if not just rely on the fact you know the end game strategy better, you will soon get used to adapting to the different player types and find hu enjoyable. Good luck.

* just read back and saw you were playing speeds at £2 level, good idea if your just getting used to it at the moment, but you will find the standard does not differ much at 5's barring one or two players.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Every Don has its day. (Some HU Attempting):

If he is 5x raising as standard we need to defend with  at least 1-(135÷(135+45) = 25% of hands or he'll show an instant profit on his raise. A4s we defo want play., esp against a maniac. We need a read to do otherwise. I like flatting rag aces this deep as our opponent wont always give us credit on A high flops as we 3 bet most aces: it undereps our holding and gives our range strength on single raised A high flops. also when 3betting rag aces  and leading on an A high flop we're likely only getting action when we have little equity. If we were shallower and the villain was 5xing lots we can profitably jam a suited ace too. I also like your play post. Cheers,  TEDDY
Posted by TeddyBloat

I agree Teddy @ higher stakes v competent opponents who can hand read (or even attempt to hand read) but I think you're way over-thinking this @ micro stakes.

I take the opposite view, I like to flat hands that flop well against our opponents range.
 
Think Ax plays pretty poorly.

If we're peeling A4 for example on Axx if we both make top pair we're struggling, and also struggle to get more than 1 bet when we make top pair and they don't. especially out of position.

Stuff like TJ/TQ/TK/KQ/KJ/KT we can peel, have a much better chance of making top pair, and also have a decent chance that our opponent flops an inferior top pair also and therefore we get more value post flop when we both have hands.

I'm really not a fan of weak aces OOP, I think it's v difficult to show a profit playing them in the early stages without significantly increasing the risk of damaging our stack un-necessarily.

Always at micros, and even through the 5s/10s/20s, our opponents are much more interested in their own hand and the board, than our range.

TeddyBloat

Yeah do agree on reflection. Played a ton of these 5x players,  but mainly in hypers and  turbos where stacks are shallower and its harder to pass up 'spots'.  just feel that when people choose absurd preflop raise sizes we need to exploit that. If the villain is 5xing alot I agree its not that big a problem as we get to fold more, but I wouldnt let him get away with it too much. 

Also, giving up a fraction of a bb in ev aint a big problem against an outlier, I agree.

A4s is a bit  marginal given the deeper stacks and slower structure, and skill edge.

Meh, I'd prolly still defend if this was his standard sizing, but thats why im at the 2's and you and lambo lurk higher up.

Cheers,

TEDDY

TeddyBloat

In Response to Re: Every Don has its day. (Some HU Attempting):

In Response to Re: Every Don has its day. (Some HU Attempting) : I agree Teddy @ higher stakes v competent opponents who can hand read (or even attempt to hand read) but I think you're way over-thinking this @ micro stakes. I take the opposite view, I like to flat hands that flop well against our opponents range.   Think Ax plays pretty poorly. If we're peeling A4 for example on Axx if we both make top pair we're struggling, and also struggle to get more than 1 bet when we make top pair and they don't. especially out of position. Stuff like TJ/TQ/TK/KQ/KJ/KT we can peel, have a much better chance of making top pair, and also have a decent chance that our opponent flops an inferior top pair also and therefore we get more value post flop when we both have hands. I'm really not a fan of weak aces OOP, I think it's v difficult to show a profit playing them in the early stages without significantly increasing the risk of damaging our stack un-necessarily. Always at micros, and even through the 5s/10s/20s, our opponents are much more interested in their own hand and the board, than our range.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

I guess your right. but if I could throw some thoughts at you outside of the don's hand

In fast structures im liable to jam Ax when shallower,  but I do think flatting does better than folding, especially if we are against a minraise. And since we face so many minraises even at low stakes, its one of those small mistakes that we get to make over and over.

Im not very experienced playing deep, but I do come across some thinking players even low-stakes and having some aces in our flatting range is beneficial. If Ax playes poorly OOP in a single raised pot then im not sure it fares any better in a 3bet one. And I think folding Ax is way too nitty against a reasonable opponent.

F_Ivanovic

People that 5x/raise abnormally large can be really annoying to play against but they can also be really easy to exploit, especially in HU. (Tends to be somewhat harder in MTT'S!) Ax plays poorly in SRP oop unless we can construct a donking range and opponent folds to c-bets somewhat often. Otherwise I would usually 3b or fold. We can 3b if they fold to a ton of 3-bets but if they don't we just exploit them instead by 3-betting wide for value.

The_Don90

thanks for some strong feedback, glad the result hasn't softened the critism as it would with some

for what its worth this was 3rd hand in, he done this first hand, i folded i folded my button (cant mind the hand but im sure a fold would have been correct) and then this hand. I had never played this guy before so was pretty readless to how he'd react to 3bs etc.

if we 3b are we 3b folding? 

is folding better than 3betting readless? 

meh im such a fish. 

F_Ivanovic

yeh folding is probably better than 3betting readless.

The_Don90

I just can't do this anymore

Sigh, sigh and more blooming sigh. Today i woke up and said to myself, we can do something. We can win. We can beat this dam game. 

Well variance once again had other ideas. One near min cash miss. Several lost flips, coolers and 70/30s as per. And really just everything i do just seemed to go wrong. 

The last one I said to jj, I cant beat AQ when i have AK. I then bust an mtt with AK v AQ. Down to my last one, hes railing and i said literally any time i get that senario I lose. Been the case for nearly a month. So theres a 3x from EP. I shove 29BB over the top with AK. BB calls, EP calls. BB has A6 but was only about 11bigs. EP has AQ. So TJxxK yeap standard continues. 

Emotionally i cant take it anymore. Over all sites a month ago my rolls would have been close to £1k(combined). Now you'd be lucky if they made over £300. For me thats alot of money. 1 site im down to 11 buy ins, there is no reload till Feburary at least. The other 3 i have about 30 each. Not enough to sustain this downswing, again no reload avaible till Feb.

This might be the last dance.  

GaryQQQ

Why don't you grind satellites? There will be loads running between now and February due to the UKPC. You're always saying on the forum that you beat them easily, just last week you were calling for more to be added to the schedule.

Just a suggestion, good luck to you whatever you decide to do.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Every Don doesn't have its day.:

pm sent don
Posted by Diminuendo

recieved will reply when more awake. 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Every Don doesn't have its day.:

Why don't you grind satellites? There will be loads running between now and February due to the UKPC. You're always saying on the forum that you beat them easily, just last week you were calling for more to be added to the schedule. Just a suggestion, good luck to you whatever you decide to do.
Posted by GaryQQQ

I do play a chunk of sats. For the UKPC it will be awkward due to my br. I havent looked at UKPC structure as of yet so what i reply might be completely wrong. 

If i mind right tho the semi is £52 with the actual seat one being £250 on a Sunday only. 

So given my BR i'd have to play £2 games into £10 games into £50 games. 

So realistically we're looking to gain profit from getting to the £10 one. 

So even if we say we make it on average 1 in 3. We're making after rake about £4. Now i wont grumble at £4 thats a decent amount, but dueto the nature of 5 steps my experiance on sky is the lowest level doesnt run enough to allow me to get 12 sats in a day or whatever. 

I speak to alot of sat grinders from another site and watching them as they structure alot different to sky, but im considering playing alot of those. 

The_Don90

The plans

So with my br hit admittedly playing with the small br we have is much more awkward. The strange this is, In January when I started playing i had £20 in my account. I haven't reloaded. So over the coarse at present im still £160 up (inc C4P that arrived yest). So do i have no right to feel annoyed. 

Winamax i deposited €40 and spun up to €300. Ok I have't done much since and its back to €60 its still a profit. 

FTP I transfered accross from stars, which i was given £200 for my investment in a live stake. Stars hasn't been great for me all year. But given the amount of runners and how many deep runs i've had in the past i guess i can't complain, but FTP i got my first win on, and still have $250 of it. Although that again is a sizable loss since that win, its still profit. 

So really from a start of £60 i've made money. 

Thats something to be proud of. I will be trying JJ's suggestion of the hu. Along side mtts. 

I also realised certain leaks i have in mtts. Its actually not a huge leak, but just one or two long small mistakes. Shouldn't be too hard to fix though. 

The_Don90

Oh so close 

I'm doing a mini update. I plan to do 25 HU games later in the day. However i asked a friend to watch, no for anything other than some leak plugging between games. He wasn't avalible until later so suggested i play some mtts.

So i did. A good number of nearly cashes all spots standards though. Couple of very strange ones where people just overplay hands and i get ul, but meh im glad for them overplaying them long term. 

However 2 where looking tastey. 4 max on stars i came 26th for $21. exit hand was A9 v AA on AKx9 board. He just peeled my raise oop pre so getting it in seemed like the easiest chips ever. Oops 0% gg.

One on winamax left. Now i have said i was desperate for a winamax score. As i was slowly going deeper and deeper i was like its comming. A strange spot on the FT bubble emerged and i ended up comming 7th as a result (i was a 6 max) Still €75 is a much welcomed boost to the winamax roll. 

Annoying i feel I've played terrible today. Without some pretty annoying errors there could have been a few more deep/deeper runs. 

Glenelg

In Response to Re: Every Don will have its day.:

.. A strange spot on the FT bubble emerged and i ended up comming 7th as a result (i was a 6 max) Still €75 is a much welcomed boost to the winamax roll.  Annoying i feel I've played terrible today. Without some pretty annoying errors there could have been a few more deep/deeper runs. 
Posted by The_Don90

Would you prefer "playing badly & win"  or "playing well & lose"   I know what you mean tho ;-)   Was wondering, do you think you would run better if you concentrated your efforts on one site?  You prob know best but I just thought I'd ask the Q.  Enjoying the diary & good luck....

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Every Don will have its day.:

In Response to Re: Every Don will have its day. : Would you prefer "playing badly & win"  or "playing well & lose"   I know what you mean tho ;-)   Was wondering, do you think you would run better if you concentrated your efforts on one site?  You prob know best but I just thought I'd ask the Q.  Enjoying the diary & good luck....
Posted by Glenelg

Good question in honesty

I think the main thing is with me playing mostly mtts, its hard for 1 site alone to cater for a mtt player. One sky theres 1 mtt per hour that i play. If i had a roll able to play £11s and £22 i think i could add an extra one in every 90 mins. 

On winamax its about every hour early on, then a dry period and about 4 or 5 at night id play. I have a filter on so not sure what 11+ is like. 

Stars, again 1 per hour, 2 on some hours but again 6000 runner fields are mega high variance. When you go deep you need to be scoring big, but because their top heavy thats hard. I remember about a year ago i finnished a 5000 runner event ($2 buy in) in 26th after a really sick cooler (TT v QT on TQQ flop chip leader v 2nd in chips was left crippled) and got like $28. I mean no disrespect to stars and their payouts, but at $2 a time to break even comming in 26th youd have to be able to do that 1 in every 14 attempts, thats not accounting rake. Its just impossible. Obviously that makes the wins more  sweater and i can't complain at my record on there. 

Tilt probably has the best (IMO) low stakes grind, but even it has a dry spell when other sites are miles better. Sky is actually probably the closest for matching it on an all day basis. Their structures aren't the best though and it seems to me to be alot of structure testing going on. 

So i think to stick to one site for cash/S&gs would be good, but for mtts less so. 

What i will say I'd love to see sky adding some of the Tilt Super hypers (they have weird names so i just call them super hypers) to the site. Im not sure how much they'd take off tho. Basically 5 min blind levels, as standard, but starting stack is only 10BB. Could be a good hyper turbo alternative to a timed mtt for those with only an hour or so to spare. Very high variance though.

Edit: Also of coarse id rather win. I just feel annoyed when i make mistakes. You know its bad when you level your self into a fold, and a well respected player posts this when you post it for discussion. " I think folding is my forth choice here. Stab self in **** is higher on my list."

Lambert180

That's why if you stick to 1 site, while it might reduce your MTT schedule, it means you can fill it up with stuff like cash or HU SnGs to have a much steadier game to rely on through the bad times.

FWIW, no wonder you're experiencing BIG swings when you like playing MTTs that start with a 10xBB starting stack!! lol.

On ya average day, what times do you play? Like how many hours and specifically what time of the day?

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Every Don will have its day.:

That's why if you stick to 1 site, while it might reduce your MTT schedule, it means you can fill it up with stuff like cash or HU SnGs to have a much steadier game to rely on through the bad times. FWIW, no wonder you're experiencing BIG swings when you like playing MTTs that start with a 10xBB starting stack!! lol. On ya average day, what times do you play? Like how many hours and specifically what time of the day?
Posted by Lambert180

yeah but by reducing the mtt schedule down times will last for longer? 

HU i like to focus on 100% i find that player tendancies are huge in hu. Obviously there just as huge in any other part of the game but hu they are so much easier to spot and exploit. And if im brutally honest im not good enough to play 2/3 tables and hu at the same time. 

the 10bb mtts i played once by accident was about 3 hands in and was looking at my hud scratching my head woundering why the f it said i had 8bb. I spent about 10 minutes looking for a hand that never happened where i lost a huge pot lol. For what its worth when your short on tables (1 or 2 )or its early in a session or ur deep and close to finnishing i think their a good little add to a schedule. I do try to avoid them when im close to optimal amount of tables though. 

My average day. hmm. Well given my sleeping problems, which i dont think has been an real secret, and average day for me depends from week to week and month to month based on my sleeping. It takes very little to knock me out of sync. 

My prefered times are 9-10am start, finnishing registering around 2pm a deep run wil see me playing right through till about 5/6 finnishing just intime for tea. If im feeling ok I'll maybe play some turbos after tea but thats getting rarer atm due to waking up at 5.30am I just feel too tired. I would like to add some evening grind back in though. Although i do think that the 3pm-6pm mtts across every site is pretty terrible. Sky is probably the stand out with the half hourly bounty hunters being miles better than anything else on the internet. 

Edit: I'll just add in here, i didn't manage to get in my hu games yesterday. I got invited to a NL50 hand discussion group, which i don't think was an oppotunity to pass up. As a result I was tired and my friend had no time left himself to watch. 

MP33

Just been catching up on your diary Don. I,ve left cash alone recently and concentrated on MTT,s and sats and am struggling with the downswings. I don,t think you can stick to one site if your playing MTT,s as there just arn,t enough. Although i,ve found the downswings hard i,m taking longer brks now and during the brks trying to spend more time on improving my game like going over hands and watching poker vids. This always gets my enthusiasm for the game back up again. I,m also considering playing more MTT,s with less players in. I,ve found the games with 1000,s of players in are just to much of a lottery and when you,ve spent hours building a stack to get a bad beat , esp. from a bad call  can be pretty deflating at times

You,ll probably get a win when you least expect it and like you,ve said your still in profit so wouldn,t get to down about it

Gl with it 

P

The_Don90

Meh

Strange day today, again I was going to play hu but mtts just went so well, yet so poor.

I started around 10 i think with some late reg. Anyways early doors was meh. The mid stages where meh, but eventually i was over optimal tables again. Although i held my own. First time in a while I've been over optimal tables tbh. 

Early on i got a min cash on FTP, same mtt i won not that long ago, im quite annoyed as i blew a chance of a deep run. I just couldnt find a spot, in hindsight i think i missed 2. Not sure it makes a huge differance tho. 

A min cash on stars followed in a turbo. Again being spot dead cost me a deeper run. Although this time i don't think i missed any spots. 

2 Near misses on Winamax. One was a really grim flip if i win im chip leader with 90BB. Was 6 off the bubble too. Would have been a great time to win a flip and change gear, it was opened and 3b and i cold 4b jammed AK. In hindsight the jam might be an overkill but 8s still called so i guess not. A on flop 8 on river though. Sigh. The other near miss wasn't tecnhically a near miss. It was a 2 day event, but i bust literally 3 mins from the end of the day. I was pretty unlucky running QQ into KK, it left me with half a BB, which i got in v aces, which proceeded to flop quads. 

One semi deep run on stars followed. Exit was annoying. Id made a mistake earlier where i misclicked, getting tables mixed up. At that stage i was 2 tabling it was a very stupid and grim mistake to make. Id managed to recover before raising tens. I only have 15bb, but 2 people called. 9 high board, but someone managed to flop 2 pair. Lol wp sir. gg etc. 

Today i feel I played much better than i have been of late. I didnt run horrible either, im literally one or 2 things going in my favour away from a strong deep run in 2 or 3 different mtts today. Today they all went against me but thats the nature of mtt poker. 

Jac35

In Response to Re: Every Don will have its day.:

In Response to Re: Every Don will have its day. : yeah but by reducing the mtt schedule down times will last for longer?  HU i like to focus on 100% i find that player tendancies are huge in hu. Obviously there just as huge in any other part of the game but hu they are so much easier to spot and exploit. And if im brutally honest im not good enough to play 2/3 tables and hu at the same time.  the 10bb mtts i played once by accident was about 3 hands in and was looking at my hud scratching my head woundering why the f it said i had 8bb. I spent about 10 minutes looking for a hand that never happened where i lost a huge pot lol. For what its worth when your short on tables (1 or 2 )or its early in a session or ur deep and close to finnishing i think their a good little add to a schedule. I do try to avoid them when im close to optimal amount of tables though.  My average day. hmm. Well given my sleeping problems, which i dont think has been an real secret, and average day for me depends from week to week and month to month based on my sleeping. It takes very little to knock me out of sync.  My prefered times are 9-10am start, finnishing registering around 2pm a deep run wil see me playing right through till about 5/6 finnishing just intime for tea. If im feeling ok I'll maybe play some turbos after tea but thats getting rarer atm due to waking up at 5.30am I just feel too tired. I would like to add some evening grind back in though. Although i do think that the 3pm-6pm mtts across every site is pretty terrible. Sky is probably the stand out with the half hourly bounty hunters being miles better than anything else on the internet.  Edit: I'll just add in here, i didn't manage to get in my hu games yesterday. I got invited to a NL50 hand discussion group, which i don't think was an oppotunity to pass up. As a result I was tired and my friend had no time left himself to watch. 
Posted by The_Don90

At least you've got poker friends Don.
Never in my poker life have I been in any groups or stuff like that.
Closest I get to poker discussion is having a cig outside casino and hearing some drunk tell me how their aces got cracked.
I just have to bumble on alone
Prolly a good thing actually as my ideas on playing hands would most likely be laughed at.

Lambert180

So you don't play at all in the evening/night then? Is there a reason for this? I just ask cos pretty much every game MTTs/Cash/HU SnGs is softer or just better at night. MTTs at night probably don't change much in standard but you just have so many bigger fields/better prizepools like the Mini/ME, tons of £2/£5/£11 BHs that pretty much all get at least 100+ runners instead of all the the daytime MTTs on Sky where you play a £5 BH and first prize is about £40 + heads lol.

Glenelg

HI Don,

What does "but eventually i was over optimal tables again."  mean? Soz if its a daft Q, just not heard it before?

Gl btw!