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We've been somewhat surprised by the popularity of discussions focused on randomness or fairness of our poker application.
As stated elsehwere our software is fully independently tested (by industry-leading experts) and we're regulated by the AGCC - however maybe there's little point to going over this again.
So - we thought we'd provide a dedicated area for our conspiracy theorists to get things off their chest, maybe feel better and still continue to play on our site!
I'll leave you with a wee thought...
Q. What does the random number generator in our poker software actually do?
A. It shuffles (very effectively) 52 cards once per hand - and once only
That's all really.
For example - if there are 6 people seated at the table - the software shuffles the cards - then deals 2 cards per player and the three flop cards.
Which players then fold, call or bet is irrelevent - the turn card is the same card that was next in the deck from the original shuffle. In this example it would be the 16th card (given the numbers seated at the table before the hand was dealt).
The same applies to the river card - it is the card that is next in the deck from the original shuffle. In this example the river card would be the 17th card in the deck from the original shuffle.
So the question is - with only one shuffle per hand and no randomisation between the flop, turn and river cards being dealt - plus no prior knowledge (how could we?) of which players will fold - bluff, slow play etc - how do we still manage to produce all these bad beats?
Answers on a postcard...
As stated elsehwere our software is fully independently tested (by industry-leading experts) and we're regulated by the AGCC - however maybe there's little point to going over this again.
So - we thought we'd provide a dedicated area for our conspiracy theorists to get things off their chest, maybe feel better and still continue to play on our site!
I'll leave you with a wee thought...
Q. What does the random number generator in our poker software actually do?
A. It shuffles (very effectively) 52 cards once per hand - and once only
That's all really.
For example - if there are 6 people seated at the table - the software shuffles the cards - then deals 2 cards per player and the three flop cards.
Which players then fold, call or bet is irrelevent - the turn card is the same card that was next in the deck from the original shuffle. In this example it would be the 16th card (given the numbers seated at the table before the hand was dealt).
The same applies to the river card - it is the card that is next in the deck from the original shuffle. In this example the river card would be the 17th card in the deck from the original shuffle.
So the question is - with only one shuffle per hand and no randomisation between the flop, turn and river cards being dealt - plus no prior knowledge (how could we?) of which players will fold - bluff, slow play etc - how do we still manage to produce all these bad beats?
Answers on a postcard...
Comments
Now just e mail Bullyfish telling him the exact same thing, and also to insert his "proof" into a specific orifice.
Genius section and brilliant response.
Your explanation of the RNG is very useful too. Previously I had thought that the RNG did more than one shuffle and a card coming on the flop may not have come if I hadn't folded etc and this is somethjing the presenters sometimes do elude to on Sky Poker during shows.
So now when I lay down a small pair to a big raise and the flop then sets up I know i made a bad decision.....
I really hope it puts a stop to all this "rigged" nonsense.
For what it's worth, I don't think they are conspiracy theorists at all - I think they are trolls. And trolls are far worse than conspiracy theorists, as they set Members against each other by making provocative Posts with the sole intention of causing trouble. These are, of course, my personal views.
I'll get me coat.....;)
skyvegas isnt worth playing on all, i dont believe it is 95-99.99% because
ive only had this average when i first started here. So cash in any winnings,
dont give skybet the money which u win off other players!
My roulette table has defied mathematics almost every single 10 minute
counted session on there, this isnt random IF the poker is. I believe, and
in the interest of others not being made unhappy...not so much (but
still some) spite that ive had worser luck here than at any other online
site in 6 years! U can put things down to coincidence for sure, but not
as often as this place...i get the feeling they arent as rich as they want
to be....who is??
as for the rng i'm glad peter has explained how it works,because i thought i depened on the time you take etc and numbers were then plucked out of the air,so now when i fold 52 off to a 5k all in and flop the fh i can really kick myself lol
dave
Correct me if im wrong please Mr Sky.
Hope this helps :-)
and they dont hit the cards just at the right time ?????
I just think, why this happens as when I play live at a table and not on a pc this does not happen. The software seams to go to the hands that are being played, or is this just me reading the game wrong.
Has anyone else notice this?
Otherwise when it comes down to bluffing and calling at the right time is part and part of the game.