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Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal

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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Ha, I can see how that would sting a little. That said, being almost breakeven seems to mean you're ahead of most of the players I look up. Although having SS categorise you as a 'fish' must be somewhat upsetting ;) That said, I'm dubious about how they define players on there. Good players seem to get a star next to their name. I looked up a guy yesterday on the iPoker network. Some Russian dude...£115k negative. A HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN GRAND!!!! Yet he still had a star next to his name..what's all that about!!?
    Posted by PokerNoon
    theres 2 leaderboards on all sites which award stars for where you are on the table, one table is for total profit and one table is for amount of games played, i suspect that the guy 115k in the red has just played a heap of games. if you hover over his star it tells you why he has it!!! you also get stars for breaking records etc like winning such and such amount of dyms in a row or winning x amount of heads up sngs on the spin.
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    How's the Advanced Poker training going? How much time per day does it take up? Is it worth doing?
    Posted by VespaPX
    Actually I barely use it anymore. I sometimes log in to test out new ideas and theories that I ever steal off the internet, get from folks on here or come up with myself. In that sense it's useful.

    But the most value I got was right at the start of my 'career', many moons ago (6 or 7 weeks to be more precise). Rather than most training courses which are theory and video based, you sit down and actually play poker.

    I found I could rattle through up to 800 hands an hour. For each hand you can switch the 'advisor' on, who tells you the move he thinks you should be playing.

    So I played about 40,000 hands within 3 weeks and I think that gave me a good grounding of ABC poker. But after a while I figured it out a bit and found I could beat the so-called toughest level, the 'KGB dungeon' consistently. Yet any time I entered a real life online cash game I would lose my entire stack.

    At that point I stopped using the training so much and concentrated on real life poker. It's really useful for a starting player to cut their learning curve. For example, from the very first cash game I played, I already knew that it was a terrible play to limp with K6o UTG. It also taught me not to get excited just because I'm holding an Ace, that sort of thing.

    Stuff that seems basic, but that a serious amount of players online don't seem to be aware of. In the last DYM I played, there was a guy doing the limping strategy persistently. And I look people like this up and sharkscope tells me they have played 4000 games online! I wonder how you can play so many games without thinking 'this isn't working for me, I'll try something else'.

    So I guess with the APT it depends where your game is at. I'm guessing in your case that you're probably too advanced for it. 


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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : theres 2 leaderboards on all sites which award stars for where you are on the table, one table is for total profit and one table is for amount of games played, i suspect that the guy 115k in the red has just played a heap of games. if you hover over his star it tells you why he has it!!! you also get stars for breaking records etc like winning such and such amount of dyms in a row or winning x amount of heads up sngs on the spin.
    Posted by THEROCK573
    Right..I did hover over his star but I can't remember what it was for. He definitely has played a ton of games (about 120k I think).

    I noticed on there that there were people massively in the red who were playing on my table and making terrible plays (like persistent open limping) but playing 15-20 tables at once. The more I see of online poker, the more I genuinely believe that there is serious money to be made by going at it in a focused, targetted way.

    That said, I haven't quite figured out what that way is yet, and I'm not good enough to do it at the moment either.
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  • VickiPKRVickiPKR
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Even if there was collusion, it doesn't mean you can't beat them. Besides, if you want to take down the WSOP you have to up your stakes at some point! I like to try these games as a 'float'. If I win a few games at one level, I try the next level up. If I win, I stay there. If I lose I go back down and rebuild the bankroll. Seems to be (for me at least) a good way of testing out your level without having to break the bank. Worth a shot?
    Posted by PokerNoon
    Hey, if you're playing with money you can afford to lose, you fully understand what you're doing, you enjoy, and you have the potential to make a few quid profit....YEAH MAN..Its defintely worth a shot.


    Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
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  • VespaPXVespaPX
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Actually I barely use it anymore. I sometimes log in to test out new ideas and theories that I ever steal off the internet, get from folks on here or come up with myself. In that sense it's useful. But the most value I got was right at the start of my 'career', many moons ago (6 or 7 weeks to be more precise). Rather than most training courses which are theory and video based, you sit down and actually play poker. I found I could rattle through up to 800 hands an hour. For each hand you can switch the 'advisor' on, who tells you the move he thinks you should be playing. So I played about 40,000 hands within 3 weeks and I think that gave me a good grounding of ABC poker. But after a while I figured it out a bit and found I could beat the so-called toughest level, the 'KGB dungeon' consistently. Yet any time I entered a real life online cash game I would lose my entire stack. At that point I stopped using the training so much and concentrated on real life poker. It's really useful for a starting player to cut their learning curve. For example, from the very first cash game I played, I already knew that it was a terrible play to limp with K6o UTG. It also taught me not to get excited just because I'm holding an Ace, that sort of thing. Stuff that seems basic, but that a serious amount of players online don't seem to be aware of. In the last DYM I played, there was a guy doing the limping strategy persistently. And I look people like this up and sharkscope tells me they have played 4000 games online! I wonder how you can play so many games without thinking 'this isn't working for me, I'll try something else'. So I guess with the APT it depends where your game is at. I'm guessing in your case that you're probably too advanced for it. 
    Posted by PokerNoon
    Thanks for the reply Mr Noon
    I don't think anyone is too advanced to learn more.
    GL with your game
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  • VickiPKRVickiPKR
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Right..I did hover over his star but I can't remember what it was for. He definitely has played a ton of games (about 120k I think). I noticed on there that there were people massively in the red who were playing on my table and making terrible plays (like persistent open limping) but playing 15-20 tables at once. The more I see of online poker, the more I genuinely believe that there is serious money to be made by going at it in a focused, targetted way. That said, I haven't quite figured out what that way is yet, and I'm not good enough to do it at the moment either.
    Posted by PokerNoon
    It is 100% still possible to make money in online poker, take the main, Maybe 550 runners you only need to get in the last 10% to cash. An that is not really that hard with a tight game.
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  • ff55hhff55hh
    edited December 2013
    Hello pokernoon,

    Really enjoying the diary, hope it works out well.

    I added you on the ipoker network yesterday, I was wondering if you could give me a quick yes or no regarding WBX.

    I got banned from betfair in my student days for ramping on the forums.

    All the reviews online are pretty dated and I'm sure the liquidity is a joke compared to betfair but can you give any positives for this exchange or is it one to avoid???

    Thanks.
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  • sim_mosim_mo
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    Noony, Please take this in the intended spirit, which is constructive, I'm am NOT knocking you, but...... You seem to be trying to be all things to all men, almost a jack-of-all-trades.   You are new to poker, & are going along nicely, but in one day, you are playing THREE different formats - DYM's, Tourneys, & Cash.   I've yet to meet a poker player on earth who was equally good at all three formats.   If I were your poker Mentor or coach (God forbid, lol!), I would insist you stuck to ONE Format for a minimum of 3 months, until you have found your feet. And, given that you are taking this seriously, it would NOT include MTT's - the variance in those things is massive. Even the very best MTT players can go months without a decent cash.   It hurts me to see your hard-earned DYM profits going down the MTT route.   The Thread Title is " Making a Full Time Wage from Poker ". If that remains the plan, I'd cut out the MTT's, & decide between Cash & DYM's. Logically, cash games would be the best route. I'd estimate that over 90% of Poker Pros earn their wages in Cash Games. Very very few do so in MTT's.   Anyway, I'm not your mentor or Coach, so it's as you were..... Good luck.       
    Posted by Tikay10

    by far the best bit of advice you will ever get mr pokernoon. having played a good few dyms with you recently a little tip i would give is that you need to change the way you play the early levels. you are way to loose. GL on your journey

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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    ff55hh - No idea about WBX. Try matchbook - they have 0% commission on football at the moment.

    Sim_mo - I hear what you're saying and you're not the first to say it, but my DYM style isn't the same as everyone else's 'fold everything that isn't Aces or Kings'. I do agree to a point that I've been a little loose and it's cost me in some games, but the aggression I'm showing is winning me a lot of games too. I haven't got it perfect just yet, but I'm getting there. 

    Anyway...

    Today's Update.

    Today was the day of the big cash game at the casino. My first ever live cash game. I turned up at 8.30 with a mate of mine and discovered it wasn't due to start until 10. It finally got going about 10.45, and a 4 handed game was taking place.

    Looked like 3 sharks were sat waiting to take the money off a really loud drunk guy.

    I watched the table dynamics for a bit and thought 'ok, let's get in' and bought in with 100BBs (that's £100). The blinds were £1/£1 btw, if anyone's interested.

    I decided to sit to the immediate left of the drunk guy. That way it was easy for me to isolate him with reraises etc. Also meant that he wasn't able to go wild and reraise me easily. Last thing I wanted was me opening the betting UTG and him 3-betting me every hand and putting me in tight spots.

    I made a mistake early on and lost a few quid. But then I got lucky and hit QQx on the flop when holding AQ. I couldn't believe my luck when Mr Loud-and-steaming decided to shove all in on me. I snapped called his hand off pretty much and he looked at me shocked 'why are you calling!?!?'

    To add insult to injury I rivered the Ace for a tasty Queens over Aces Full House. He only had 99!

    I played a few more hands after this but my drunk friend went all in again with the remainder of his chips about 3 hands later and lost them all. He then sensibly decided to pack it in. Since my easy source of chips was gone, I called it a night too. Sat down with £100, cashed out £150. Nice effort for 30 mins work. Although I won't get a full house like that every week, sadly.

    Got back home and played a 10/20nl cash game. Turned £20 in £38 in no time at all. Time was 2.09 and I thought 'will play until 2.15'. Somehow managed to lose £25 in that time. Annoying. So instead of leaving the table 20 quid up, I left it £7 down.

    Today's Numbers:

    DYMs
    £22: 1 win, 1 loss: -£4
    £5.50: 1 win, 1 loss: -£1

    Cash
    Live 1/1nl: £50
    Online 10/20nl: -£6.88

    Total: £38.12

    Bit frustrated I didn't cash out at 2.09 instead of £2.15 as that number would have been over 60 quid profit again. Oh well. I didn't feel like I played badly. Top pair, good kicker beaten by full house. Top pair, Ace kicker with flush draw beaten by a set in the very next hand by the same person who had only just arrived at the table. 

    I tried not to bloat the pot too much, but I was still going to call the guy down with top pair top kicker. Especially on these tables where people will happily keep playing on with second or third pair, or even Ace high.

    Still, I'm going to bed relatively happy after the live cash game success. There's a decent chance I'll return next week. I really want to nail cash online though. Every single game I play I improve my stack by about 50-80% before suddenly going into freefall and ending the session in the negative.

    I'm not sure right now if that's a problem with me, or just coincidence. 

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  • ff55hhff55hh
    edited December 2013
    Clearly a very slick website but they don't seem to do horse racing.
    Thats a tidy concession they're offering on sports too.
    Any idea why they offer odds to 3 decimal places??? Seems a bit excessive.

    Ta for the info anyway pal :-)

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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    Clearly a very slick website but they don't seem to do horse racing. Thats a tidy concession they're offering on sports too. Any idea why they offer odds to 3 decimal places??? Seems a bit excessive. Ta for the info anyway pal :-)
    Posted by ff55hh
    3 decimal places - for the more precise, discerning gambler. 

    Why don't you use Betfair/Ladbrokes exchange btw? Ladbrokes exchange is not bad these days for liquidity.
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  • VespaPXVespaPX
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : 3 decimal places - for the more precise, discerning gambler.  Why don't you use Betfair/Ladbrokes exchange btw? Ladbrokes exchange is not bad these days for liquidity.
    Posted by PokerNoon
    I'm sure Sky will be over the "moon" with this post promoting other betting sites
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : I'm sure Sky will be over the "moon" with this post promoting other betting sites
    Posted by VespaPX
    When Sky opens its own betting exchange (ie allowing lay bets as well as back bets) then I'll be all over that ;)

    Anyway..I think I should really bring this thread back to poker.
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  • VespaPXVespaPX
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : When Sky opens its own betting exchange (ie allowing lay bets as well as back bets) then I'll be all over that ;) Anyway..I think I should really bring this thread back to poker.
    Posted by PokerNoon
    May be worth heading over to punters corner to discuss non-poker stuff??

    Gl with the poker
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : May be worth heading over to punters corner to discuss non-poker stuff?? Gl with the poker
    Posted by VespaPX
    Cheers Vespa..Mick I think is it?

    Yeah, I don't mind a bit of tangental chat on here, it is a journal after all. I think people like to hear about 'life' stuff as well as just simple 'I played this hand and this happened'. 

    It's a fine line between making the blog interesting and making it full of 90% irrelevance though ;)
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  • VespaPXVespaPX
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Cheers Vespa..Mick I think is it? Yeah, I don't mind a bit of tangental chat on here, it is a journal after all. I think people like to hear about 'life' stuff as well as just simple 'I played this hand and this happened'.  It's a fine line between making the blog interesting and making it full of 90% irrelevance though ;)
    Posted by PokerNoon
    Yes its Mick
    Agreed that the life stuff makes a more interesting read.
    Always good to get a bit of background.
    Yours is one of a few threads i catch up on most days.
    Cheers
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  • a00rocka00rock
    edited December 2013
    This has been a great read so far with some interesting topics that I didn't even know existed lol (the result of a very sheltered life). Good luck on your journey and I'm sure that with persistence you will achieve your goals.

    Ray
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Yes its Mick Agreed that the life stuff makes a more interesting read. Always good to get a bit of background. Yours is one of a few threads i catch up on most days. Cheers
    Posted by VespaPX
    Thanks Mick, I appreciate that. Just out of interest, what is it that makes you want to read this thread as opposed to others? It's good for me to know what people like to read about (keep your customers happy).
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    This has been a great read so far with some interesting topics that I didn't even know existed lol (the result of a very sheltered life). Good luck on your journey and I'm sure that with persistence you will achieve your goals. Ray
    Posted by a00rock

    Ha, thanks for the kind words Ray, much appreciated. I think however it's me that's living the sheltered life, staying indoors and gambling all day...

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  • MP33MP33
    edited December 2013
    Hi m8

    Got your PM and sent you one back. Going to be offline for about a week from tomorrow

    If your looking for "Punters Corner" as Vespa suggested. Its now called "Fancy a bet"

    Personally i preffered "Punters Corner" but its well worth a read. I,m sure you,ll find it interesting with your punting background 
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  • VespaPXVespaPX
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Thanks Mick, I appreciate that. Just out of interest, what is it that makes you want to read this thread as opposed to others? It's good for me to know what people like to read about (keep your customers happy).
    Posted by PokerNoon

    Just interested how a new player gets on, and im also a DYM player but have moved over to PLO8 DYM's recently as i was getting a little bored with Holdem.
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal : Just interested how a new player gets on, and im also a DYM player but have moved over to PLO8 DYM's recently as i was getting a little bored with Holdem.
    Posted by VespaPX
    I thought you were going to say it's because of my fascinating, informative and amusing/witty insights that have you glued to the screen from start to finish of every single post...but your reason is also fine ;)
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  • VickiPKRVickiPKR
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    Clearly a very slick website but they don't seem to do horse racing. Thats a tidy concession they're offering on sports too. Any idea why they offer odds to 3 decimal places??? Seems a bit excessive. Ta for the info anyway pal :-)
    Posted by ff55hh
    3 decimal places suit some, it also helps with offering the best odds, even if it is .001 better than everyone else,
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    ARGH! Just typed a long update and it disappeared, telling me my forum login had expired. I wish the forum boffins here would spend 10 minutes writing some code that saves your post when this happens and posts it for you when you enter your login details, instead of throwing it away forever, never to be seen again.

    Anyway...today's update.

    As you may be able to tell, I am not in a great mood right now.

    The day started well enough - £25 profit on the 10/20nl cash tables in about an hour.

    Then I went out to my parents for a nice roast meal. Slow cooked beef brisket covered in thick gravy. Yum.

    Back home later for a £33 DYM. Went out on the bubble. Just got dealt one set of unshovable cards after another. Best hand I had for about 15 rounds was 8 high!

    Eventually I get Q10 in the SB. I shove on the BB who calls. Turns out he has QA. Not much I could do about that, just bad timing. Still, I hate losing money.

    Experimented later with speed poker on another network. Turned $50 in $125 in about an hour. Rescued a mediocre day...OR SO I THOUGHT.

    Looked at the clock - 12.03. 'I'll knock this on the head at 12.10' I decided.

    At 12.09 (seriously, I'm not making this up for dramatic purposes) I was dealt QQ in the BB. UTG raises. UTG+1 3 bets. Being the hard nosed 'gangsta' that I am, I throw in a 4bet (everyone else unsurprisingly folded) and find I get shoved on.

    I know that I'm likely up against Aces or Kings and the only sensible thing to do is fold. SO WHY THE HELL DO I HIT THE CALL BUTTON?!?!?!?

    I find myself in a 3 way battle between AK, KK and my lowly Queens. The Kings held out and I was straight from $75 up to $25 down in the blink of an eye. Ironically JJ would have won, but that doesn't help me much.

    So today's results are...

    £23 loss.

    I'm now in the weird position where I feel I played vastly superior poker today (on the whole) to any other day that I've played so far. But one false move and I have nothing to show for it.

    Kind of like the goalkeeper who is in inspired form. For 89 minutes he is everywhere, flying around the goal in a blur, totally unbeatable; the cat, if you will. In the 90th minute a tame backpass bobbles up over his foot as he shapes to kick the ball and it rolls agonisingly over the line and into the net.

    I feel like that guy now (Robert Green, 2010 World Cup, England V USA). Actually I imagine his suffering was probably a touch worse than mine in fairness.

    Still pretty annoyed. Even worse, I'm angry with myself which doesn't help. At least when you're raging at someone else you have the benefit of moral superiority to lessen the blow.

    But..I will regroup the troops and I will be back tomorrow.
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    Wow...what an AMAZING day.

    My first 3 figure result (well, positive 3 figure result anyway).

    Played speed poker for a few hours and made...

    £132 profit

    Excellent result. That's more (after tax) than I used to make in my old job. Obviously this is only the result of one day and doesn't tell too much - so I'm not getting carried away just yet. I do however feel that things are starting to click into place.

    Most pleasing was that this wasn't the result of good fortune. In fact I had AA gubbed by 66 in an all-in battle, and loss a flush to a FH too and still managed to turn a nice profit. 

    My bread and butter was simply taking down many reasonable sized pots preflop. 

    I was 4 betting, 5 betting...even threw in a 4 bet bluff at one stage (my heart was pounding heavy when I did that one). Got a major buzz when everyone folded right afterwards.

    However I feel bad for playing speed poker on another site and writing my journal on here. I still see Sky as my spiritual home, but I think there is more money for me elsewhere. I like that I can get through 300 hands an hour on speed poker, and that option just doesn't exist here. Yes I could multitable, but I've never managed to make that work before now. I prefer to do one thing at once (I'm a simple man in many regards).

    So my plan has now changed. I'm shelving the DYMs for now and concentrating on speed poker. If I keep on making 3 figures I will reinvest that into as many MTTs as I can afford on Sky, because I really enjoy the tournaments.


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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    I'm not sure people like to read about speedy success stories. They like to see a painful struggle against adversity, including numerous trials and tribulations and the constant doubt of whether the main protagonist will come through or not. No great film ever involved the hero deciding 'I'm going to be a successful x', then going out and achieving it easily, with no slogs along the way.

    So it's with a sense of sheepish delight that I announce that today was even better than yesterday.

    In about 2 hours this afternoon on speed poker I made...

    £182 profit.

    Excited now. If I carry on like this I'll forget about horse trading and stick with poker. It was a bit swingy today - went $50 up, then over $100 down...then had a break for an hour or so, came back and just went on a massive rampage.

    Anyway...time to wrap up here for the day and go wrap up some presents instead (see what I did there).

    Merry Christmas to you all!! 

    And thanks again to everyone who's been reading this, who's contributed and who's made an effort (sometimes a very large effort) to help me out. It is much appreciated, and should I ever meet you folks, the drinks are on me.*

    *1 small beverage, alcohol not included
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    Anyone still reading this?

    So what goes up must come down.

    My hot run has been immediately followed by a freezing cold streak. 

    My speed poker BR that I built up to £400 is now down to under £100, due to sessions yesterday (xmas day) and today. Particularly this morning, I lost about 300 dollars in half an hour. 

    Can't quite decide whether I was playing badly or just suffering horrible luck.

    Three times in a row I lost my stack when holding KK and getting it all in. Once preflop vs AA, once preflop vs QQ. But the worst was vs K5. 

    Flop is K5x, so both me and villain think we're good. Turn comes down 5. Now we both have full houses but mine is better. We both have about half our stacks in at this point.

    River comes and it's the final 5 in the deck and he shoves all in about a millisecond later.

    Now my question is - could I have gotten away from this, knowing the possibility of quads given the board, and the speed of his shove? Or do you always have to call when you're holding the best full house on the board?

    In the previous 2 days I was winning nearly all the major 50/50 battles (AK vs lower PP for example). In the last 24 hours I'm losing them all.

    Also I don't know if it's because it's xmas and everyone is drunk, but there has been a noticeable increase in aggression.

    Example - I'm in the BB holding AQ suited. Button is first to act raises to 3BB. I then 3bet to 10BB. On Xmas eve and earlier nearly always people were folding here. Now I'm getting shoved on. I can't quite work out whether people are shoving with A rag hands or whether I've just been unlucky and finding myself coming up against big hands over and over.

    Obviously I only need the raise-3bet-shove-fold combination 3 times and my stack is depleted severely.

    Thoughts?
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  • bencbenc
    edited December 2013
    I'm reading this PokerNoon, found it interesting so far. Out of interest what stakes speed cash are you playing? and with what roll? i may habe missed out on the post where you said so apologies if so, i would just say as i'm sure loads of others will say poker is a long term day you will have atrocious days where nothing goes your way and oyu will question everything about your game and some days where you think you are a genius, with experience you learn to just stay consistent with your decision making and deal with it but being relatively new to poker i guess you will have a steep learning processin regards to the mental side of the game. If you search the web you will find pdf/book called the mental game of poker by jared tendler of which i found some chapters very helpful when i have had some tough stages in the past, good luck.
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Making a Full Time Wage From Poker - PokerNoon's Journal:
    I'm reading this PokerNoon, found it interesting so far. Out of interest what stakes speed cash are you playing? and with what roll? i may habe missed out on the post where you said so apologies if so, i would just say as i'm sure loads of others will say poker is a long term day you will have atrocious days where nothing goes your way and oyu will question everything about your game and some days where you think you are a genius, with experience you learn to just stay consistent with your decision making and deal with it but being relatively new to poker i guess you will have a steep learning processin regards to the mental side of the game. If you search the web you will find pdf/book called the mental game of poker by jared tendler of which i found some chapters very helpful when i have had some tough stages in the past, good luck.
    Posted by benc
    Thanks Benc. 

    I've been playing $.5/1 speed poker with $100 stack. $100BB is the max stack you can sit down with on there.

    I can certainly identify with the ultimate god/worst player who ever lived swing of emotions where the game is concerned.

    Have you read that book and if so, what insights did you take from it? I'll certainly check it out.
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  • bencbenc
    edited December 2013
    It just touches on alot of concepts to do with mindset in regards to poker, i had alot of issues with tilt when i grinded alot of HUsngs, i have played thousands now so i am alot better but it took alot of time to stop cursing "fish" whose stupid decisions would cost me money short term, without thinking about the bigger picture and how them decisions are what make my profit from the games. Give it a search, you can source a free pdf if you have a good search around, or alternatively pm an email and i'll send it across to you. The hands you mention sound like pure coolers, variance being unkind nothing you can do and nothing that long term will have a massive impact on your winrate, it's reviewing how you play after you have had some bad luck which is important as that is what will start to affect winrate, e.g maybe confidence drops you can start tightening up, not value betting when you should be or calling too wide, or not enough in marginal spots etc thats what i have found when i have started to tilt a little because of the big hands which are not casuing the issues in my play but it's a kind of hangover of decisions slightly being changed because of a cooler that will then creep into your play in that session and cause you to make slightly worse decisions or something. I'm by no means an expert and i still tilt and have awful sessions even after playing thousands of HU games i've just got better at reviewing and trying to pick out instances where my play has slightly altered and led to a bad session.

    Also i didn't mean your buy in, i mean your bankroll i.e your playing 100nl do you have like 10 buy ins- 20 buy ins? etc etc e.g you have like £1000 in your account so 10 buy ins for that stake.
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