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500gtd deep stack payment structure has to change NOW
I think it is a great tourny but the payment structure has to change. I have finished 4th and 5th out of 5 runnings so far with no payment for final the table. Unfortunately i for one wont play it again until it does change. Most other tournies pay for reaching the final table, why not the 500 gtd? Thats it moan over. Good luck at the tables BOSSBOX.
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It's Catch-22, this!
More people will get paid when more people play it.
If players decide not to play because not enough get paid, less people will get paid.
It's how Poker works, Live & Online, the world over, because it makes no sense to pay more than 10% of the Field.
The Players, & Sky Poker, are both trying to "build" this better-structured Tourney.
If & when more players play it, more players will get paid.
We can't blame the site for this, it's about demand. Not enough players are playing it right now, so not many get paid.
A little patience, & determination to "build" the Tourney, is all it needs. Success is a long & bumpy road.
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But anyway whilst I don't play in these tourneys much anymore, I think prize structure is fine. I remember the £55 entry one that ran at half seven, and so often I got to the final table and bubbled right on the cash (one time i bubbled like 4/5 times in a week) but another time I won 2 nights in a row and cashed another night in the same week. And when you cash it's a decent amount - if more people got payed, it just wouldn't be a good enough 1st/2nd or 3rd price and I'm all about winning, as opposed to coming 5th and expecting to recieve something.
But that's why I prefer cash anyway - cause I know how much it sucks to play for so long in tourneys and win diddly squat
Guys, I hear you, but NO (regular) MTT TOURNAMENT, ever, anywhere, does, or should, pay more than 10% of the Field. I'd object if it did, to be honest.
If you all decide not to play it, fine, it'll stop running, but until it does, I'll play it (when I get home) with the current Payout Structure. That's how poker works - everywhere!
Many players wanted this Tourney, let's support it for a while. These things don't happen overnight, a bit of determination & perseverence by us, the Players, would do no harm.
It makes NO SENSE to pay more than 10% of any MTT Field.
It's disappointing that we (the players) can't muster up more Entries, but we should not expect Sky Poker to break the mould & pay 15% or 20% of the Field, & Sky Poker have done nothing wrong here. We asked for this Tourney, & now players are not supporting it. That's no reason to change a Payout structure which is as universal as anything in poker, Live & Online.
I'm speaking as a regular player on this Site, (which I am), by the way, & not for Sky Poker.
Given that you have a vested interest in the success of Sky Poker, do you really expect your punters to swallow that?
Am I right in thinking the places paid is usually;
1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, 20, 30 etc. going up for how many entrants there are.
Would one of the sky guys be able to say at what amount of entrants does each pay level go up?
Like, how many players do we need to get from 5 places paid to 8 places paid?
Cheers.
to get 5 pay outs you need 30 runners so it was 1 short unfourtunately!
I fall into the camp of 'if you make the FT you should cash', but the payout structure is fine the way it is. In the Community Suggestions forum here I made a thread about being able to make deals on the FT of Tournaments. I think having this implemented will solve this problem. I've had this situation on the FT of a few Tournaments at the Gala where I play. Typically, if 8 of us are getting paid, the FT'ists strike a deal where they take the amount of the buy-in off 1st and 2nd, and give that to 9th and 10th so they get their money back. If you want something of this nature to happen, then put a post in my thread showing your support so that Sky will take note of it.
IMO it's a DeepStack, it's going to be a slow tournament that takes a long time to finish and you should be aware of that before you register. You know that it's possible to play for 3 hours and not cash, that's just the way it goes. I played for a day and a half at the SPUKT Grand Final and didn't cash, but I knew going into the tournament that it was possible so I wasn't going to groan at a bad payout structure because it was standard.
I cannot answer that Question, it's one for the Suits, I only Post on the Forum as a regular player.
But once home, I'll play it every night I'm not out working. Also, I have always played the Deepie on my PTP Nights, & I will continue so to do. I think Rich Orford does, too.
My PTP nights in July are.....
Friday 17th
Wednesday 22nd
Friday 24th.
Tuesday 28th
Friday 31st.
I will play it each of those nights. I'll also speak to my PTP colleagues & ask them to play it on their PTP nights, though you understand I can only ask them as friends, not "instruct" them!
When I get home from Vegas, I'm doing Live Shows or In-Poker on 9 days in July, so that does not leave many "free" nights, but I'll play this Tourney every one of my free nights.
If we want something bad enough - & most of us want this Tourney to succeed - we need to work at it, & I intend to do so.
I know that paying 3 or 4 is a pain - as I, of all people, motor with a low stack, so this affects me crucially - but it's how poker works, the world over. If 30% or 40% of the Field were to be paid, the winner would barely get double his Buy-in, & that's just wrong.
I hope you continue to support the Deepie Moo, I really do, though I'll understand if you don't.
Go on, you know you want to........
But for what it's worth, I'll play the DS on my next Play The Presenter night- 21st July.
Get in, we need the value.
Moo - that's Orford sorted.
Well done on that Result. You would have got a lot less for 2nd if they paid more of the Field, so there's a positive too!
I look forward to sharing a Table with you again when I get home. Normal service should be resumed on Monday of next week, see you then.
I so enjoy that Tourney, because it's just nice to sit & chat with the Players over a few hours.
And with regard to pay out structure, its fine as it is imo. Every1 is in the same boat. More runners is what is needed!
1-9 runenrs pays 2
10 - 29 runners pays 3
30 - 49 runners pays 5
50 - 69 runners pays 8
70 - 99 runners pays 10
100- 199 runners pays 20 ( and then 10 more places paid per 100)
This is the way its always been... the only problem with skys payouts is when u have low 100's you get less than you buyin for ( should be 15 paid rather than 20) but that doesnt apply to the £20 deep.... Tikay is right (of course) it should not be changed, we just need more runners, it has not been changed in anyway to other trnys, if you all enter will will break 30 runners and will have 5 places paid.
please dont hold out on entering cos we will not break the 30+ mark and will lose this trny, and this is the bets trny sky have EVER DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and heaven forbid they put a little 'Added' money to get it rolling !!!
glk boys and gals... time for a glass of the ol Vino ya know !! .. benny
It might sound a simple solution, but it's not.
Why?
Because the Satellites would need to be the same structure as the Event itself, & very few folks would be happy to sit for 4 hours just to win their Seat into the Event.
In terms of added money, there has been overlay most nights, so added money is already being pumped in, regularly.
As someone alluded to, above, it's a bad time of year to try to pump numbers, & once Autumn arrives, I'm very confident the nmbers will rise significantly. And if they don't, so be it, the players will have spoken, & said "no thanks, we don't want it".
It's very easy to knock those who organise things, but there are usually 2 sides to these problems. The Site has offered the Tourney, it's up to the players to decide if they want it. Throwing money at it is not a sustainable model. Sky Poker have Tourneys that get 700 runners regularly, and those players deserve to be looked after, too, as well as the present handful - including me - who would like to see some slower stuff.
I hope you are well, & I'll see you at Luton soon, I hope.
Benny, the suits are very keen to get behind the deepstacks because a small, but very important group of our players have requested longer structured events. It is a relatively easy thing to set up an event but another thing to ensure it is running exactly as our customers want. Our focus is almost always on the needs of the largest group of our players and it appears we've missed a trick with the sats for the deepstacks. That's something I can look into and have sorted, and I will.
Behind the scenes at Sky Poker, those of us who are players are equally as serious about deepstack poker as you and we understand the importance of getting this right. The forum is a great place for us to get feedback on all of our activities from our players, but I think we should be able to do that without calling each other muppets.
As for calling the suits "muppets" i think you need to appologise, they started this forum for US to let them know WHAT WE WANT, we have said what we want and they have done it. If £20 is too much for you then dont play, there are endless amount of smaller trnys on sky (too many imo)
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