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Spin Ups killing SKY Poker

edited July 2016 in Poker Chat
Today I have noticed that £3/6 Spin Up tables have been added to sky. The traffic for 100bb tables is getting worse and worse since sky introduced spin ups and by the way its going it seems like they are going to keep adding higher and higher limits for these games which will pretty much kill all 100bb games.

What do people think of these spin up tables?
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  • edited June 2016
    If people prefer playing them to the deepstack games, who are you to try to take peoples favoured games away from them. If they don't get played, they'll be dropped, if they do well then perhaps that says something about how people want to play.
  • edited June 2016
    Good for the short term, bad for the long term, good for the cash recs, bad for the cash regs, I think it all depends on the number of players these tables bring to the site, if they are bringing lots of new players then i think they should stay, if they arent having much impact then they should probably go. We can only hope Sky have the long term health of Sky Poker in mind when they make their decisions.
  • edited June 2016
    I wouldn't make any assumptions about site traffic in June. Start of WSOP in Vegas and historically part of the "quiet" season for online poker.

    Give it till September/November then ask the same question.
  • edited June 2016
    last june was the first time I moved back to sky in years and the traffic was great. had one of my best months this was before they had spin ups and one year later the deep stack tables are like a ghost town!
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    Good for the short term, bad for the long term, good for the cash recs, bad for the cash regs, I think it all depends on the number of players these tables bring to the site, if they are bringing lots of new players then i think they should stay, if they arent having much impact then they should probably go. We can only hope Sky have the long term health of Sky Poker in mind when they make their decisions.
    Posted by jordz16
    Fair point, Jordz, & I think we can reasonably assume that to be true.

    1) I don't think it's unreasonable to assume the team who run Sky Poker are reasonably bright people.

    2) They have to be pretty dumb to shoot themselves in the foot by introducing formats which damage the long term viability of their site.


    And, of course, they can see the data & numbers, but we can't. So their decisions are more informed than our guesswork.  
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    If people prefer playing them to the deepstack games, who are you to try to take peoples favoured games away from them. If they don't get played, they'll be dropped, if they do well then perhaps that says something about how people want to play.
    Posted by FCHD
    People like playing fruit machines, but it would be better for them if they didn't exist. (at least the ones that allow you to place large bets and that are hugely -ev for the customer) Their money would last much longer and smaller bet fruit machines that are less -ev or by betting on sports.

    Spin Ups are the equivalent to fruit machine's in poker. They are fun to play, but if you are a recreational you are going to lose your money a lot faster than in a regular game. 

  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    last june was the first time I moved back to sky in years and the traffic was great. had one of my best months this was before they had spin ups and one year later the deep stack tables are like a ghost town!
    Posted by SICKJOKE
    "This site, is coming like a ghost town,

    All the clubs have been closed down......

    Da, de da, lala...."
  • edited June 2016
    There are currently over 90 players playing Spin Up cash games at different levels, yet only 10 playing Heads Up cash games. Perhaps those tables ought go be first for the chop?
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    There are currently over 90 players playing Spin Up cash games at different levels, yet only 10 playing Heads Up cash games. Perhaps those tables ought go be first for the chop?
    Posted by FCHD
    heads up isnt killing the action at midstakes deep stacked poker like spin ups are which is the whole point of this poll. HU having no traffic has no negative affect on any other games on the site.
  • edited June 2016
    It's just another in a long list of problems that has been given to us regs.

    1 SPT- Very popular with regs always wanted to try one of these out, I was planning to go to a one on the very year they were stopped. I was very thankful when some of the regs arranged there very own DTD at aspers casino in newcastle and will always rember it well.

    2.Sky TV itself was another thing enjoyed very well by the regs but it's now been dropped to a single live show on sky sports and was recently debated

    3.The points system has been a highly debated topic in recent months because our accounts are consistantly being stockpiled with what most would say is a worthless number of points.

    4 now it's spin ups that are being questioned. 13 players are sitting on the higher stakes spin up tables at the minute but not a single regular or HU table is being played
  • edited June 2016
    who know the forum itself might vanish one day.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    It's just another in a long list of problems that has been given to us regs. 1 SPT- Always wanted to try one of these out, I was planning to go to a one on the very year they were stopped. I was very thankful when some of the regs arranged there very own DTD at aspers casino in newcastle and will always rember it well. 2.Sky TV itself was another thing enjoyed very well by the regs but it's now been dropped to a single live show on sky sports and was recently debated 3.The points system has been a highly debated topic in recent months because our accounts are consistantly being stockpiled with what most would say is a worthless number of points. 4 now it's sin ups that are being questioned. 13 players are sitting on the higher stakes spin up tables at the minute but not a single regular or HU table is being played
    Posted by craigcu12
    I'd like to think that Sky Poker has also give their players a long list of opportunities, many of them unique to Sky Poker.



  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    who know the forum itself might vanish one day.
    Posted by craigcu12
    Well let's hope not, but if people just use it to bash Sky Poker up, then yes, I guess it may go the way of ALL other "owner-managed" Poker Forums. Care to guess why all the other ones disappeared?

    For the record, there are no plans to close this Forum.
     
    Personally, I think it's pretty good that Sky Poker even allow threads such as these to remain open.
  • edited June 2016
    Tip
    Look at the last Vegas promo leader board - top two guys nearly 20'000 points between them! Maybe is a wanted addition for those guys?

    Stars introduced Zoom - regs moaned of course - site gets extra traffic = win.

    I oversee multiple brands, one is a coffee shop, could you believe they put price of my regular coffee up and delisted the syrup shot I loved at same time! Then they introduced all these crazy drinks for kids - death of coffee? 

    Nope - good business and now sales up 13% and I tried another drink and love that even more :) 

    Things evolve sir, can be frustrating when our favourite goes, try something else. Business has to do what's right for the general mass, not the individuals. Yes of course they aim to please all and everyone is important, got to go with current trends - paying customers speak loudest. 

    Craig, understand your points but UKPC replaced SPT and is bigger and better, Sky to a loss to you and I but in general not caused a big ripple just changes players playing days I guess. I used to play tues, Thursday and Sunday, now play every day :) 

    I personally think site is better than ever. And forum...... Look at the gus Hanson every hand revealed thread, is gold!
  • edited June 2016
    spin ups are cr ap lol  its not poker poker u play down the streets  spin up poker is shove or fold  just luck no skill
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    spin ups are cr ap lol  its not poker poker u play down the streets  spin up poker is shove or fold  just luck no skill
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    do you not think people should have the right to spend there money on whatever game they like
  • edited June 2016

    you might not know that there is a priority club promotion on right now (mon, tues and wed) which is a simple points race.  there is also a separate points multiplier cash promotion, e.g x4 points, and runs late evening for the first half of this week.  there are several prizes including a las vegas package.

    seeing people sat at high value spin-up tables shouldn't be a surprise, nor should this be interpreted as a sign of a catastrophe.



  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Well let's hope not, but if people just use it to bash Sky Poker up, then yes, I guess it may go the way of ALL other "owner-managed" Poker Forums. Care to guess why all the other ones disappeared? For the record, there are no plans to close this Forum.   Personally, I think it's pretty good that Sky Poker even allow threads such as these to remain open.
    Posted by Tikay10

    How can you not talk negative when all you ever see is negative stories. nearly every news story is either bad news or a debate. hardly ever see positive stories
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    Tip Look at the last Vegas promo leader board - top two guys nearly 20'000 points between them! Maybe is a wanted addition for those guys? Stars introduced Zoom - regs moaned of course - site gets extra traffic = win. I oversee multiple brands, one is a coffee shop, could you believe they put price of my regular coffee up and delisted the syrup shot I loved at same time! Then they introduced all these crazy drinks for kids - death of coffee?  Nope - good business and now sales up 13% and I tried another drink and love that even more :)  Things evolve sir, can be frustrating when our favourite goes, try something else. Business has to do what's right for the general mass, not the individuals. Yes of course they aim to please all and everyone is important, got to go with current trends - paying customers speak loudest.  Craig, understand your points but UKPC replaced SPT and is bigger and better, Sky to a loss to you and I but in general not caused a big ripple just changes players playing days I guess. I used to play tues, Thursday and Sunday, now play every day :)  I personally think site is better than ever. And forum...... Look at the gus Hanson every hand revealed thread, is gold!
    Posted by Nuggy962
    If there is a points promo with a juicy prize ftw then certain forms of poker will be more popular than others. Doesnt mean that players are going to be winning long term from these games. It just reflects the prize offered by sky in that points promotion. 
  • edited June 2016
    There is always a competition between who makes money, regs or sky. Spin ups are great for sky given the rake. As long as rec players get enough enjoyment for their money then the games are here to stay. The fact regs are making less and sky making more isnt good for regs but I cant see it changing. The question remains whether they are beatable and how beatable for regs. I would thought if regs are beating them do a decent degree then the games will die as the rake plus reg profit will mean recs wont get enough bang for their buck!
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : How can you not talk negative when all you ever see is negative stories. nearly every news story is either bad news or a debate. hardly ever see positive stories
    Posted by craigcu12

    I disagree about all the negative talk. 

    Did you not see the stories about people winning Vegas packages? Tikay spam incoming.....

     

    Las Leeds to Las Vegas

    Anyone care to guess how many players Sky Poker, who have their Head Office in Leeds, are sending to Las Vegas this year?

    The answer is a whopping 40. That consists of 20 satellite winners, 4 from Mayhem Freerolls, 10 from Leaderboards, 4 from the latest Sky Poker speciality, "Half Time Tournaments" and 2 which are reserved for members of Sky Poker Priority Club. Can't think of many UK and ROI facing online poker sites who are sending even half that number.


    SoG has done a cracking analysis thread which has seen a vast number of players jump in with discussion. 

    Is discussion threads about types of games etc.


    There will always be some people moaning that is the way of the world but if we want the forum to remain its down to us to put into the forum, like you do with your diary or with HH discussion. Also its about having constructive debate about topics and people not using the forum to rant in an uncontructive manner. 

  • edited June 2016
    Sky has been going down hill for years. Every year I see there are less and less people playing the cash tables.

    I can only really speak about the cash tables, don't really bother with tourneys. However, this is where the vast majority of income comes from for a poker site or even b+m poker room.

    Over the years I have talked to management about obvious issues. They pretend to listen but never do anything about it.

    The biggest issue I feel that needs addressing is the state of the lobby. I have told them numerous times but to no avail. How on earth a recreational player navigates through the lobby I don't know.

    There was a change in management around 2011 since then there has been an obsession with adding different games. All this will do is confuse the recreational player and they wont bother playing.

    Sky was most popular when it offered one type of 6 max table. Buy in was min 10bb max 100bb. The games were soft and there was plenty of them going. It was easy to navigate the lobby and people could buy in with what they wanted.


  • edited June 2016
    true squarkey do whatever ya like with ya money but u be lucky to make any money on the spin up games imo rake will crush u
  • edited June 2016
    i just dont get why the spin up games are highlighted right at the top of the lobby its what people see 1st when they log in so they try them out like the mtts the highlighted tourneys up the top of the page are the main and the mini imo the highlighted cash games top of the screen should be the telivised mastercash tables 200 bb deep cash is the best way forward  all i play now i dnt even like playing 100bb cash poker
  • edited June 2016

    I can't find any cribbage tables  FFS
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : I disagree about all the negative talk.  Did you not see the stories about people winning Vegas packages? Tikay spam incoming.....   Las Leeds to Las Vegas Anyone care to guess how many players Sky Poker, who have their Head Office in Leeds, are sending to Las Vegas this year? The answer is a whopping 40. That consists of 20 satellite winners, 4 from Mayhem Freerolls, 10 from Leaderboards, 4 from the latest Sky Poker speciality, "Half Time Tournaments" and 2 which are reserved for members of Sky Poker Priority Club. Can't think of many UK and ROI facing online poker sites who are sending even half that number. SoG has done a cracking analysis thread which has seen a vast number of players jump in with discussion.  Is discussion threads about types of games etc. There will always be some people moaning that is the way of the world but if we want the forum to remain its down to us to put into the forum, like you do with your diary or with HH discussion. Also its about having constructive debate about topics and people not using the forum to rant in an uncontructive manner. 
    Posted by MattBates
    I was talking about the TV news, the place where they consistantly talking about the treat of a terrorist attack at the euros, wars currently going on risks leaving EU will have. It's negative  storie time and time again.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    I can't find any cribbage tables  FFS
    Posted by badcawl
    Fav game ever 
  • edited June 2016
    On the topic I have found myself dabbling in them I think they can be very dangerous if you don't have dicipline the comparison to fruit machines is very good I banned myself from sky Vegas because I don't have the dicipline it's all about personal prefferance if there is a call for them fair enough people asked for higher stake dyms on plo8 and sky obliged some people don't like dyms they tend to favour games they make money from but no matter the games somebody has to lose 
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Fav game ever 
    Posted by weecheez1
    i dont play them pal but at this time there are 19 mid to high stakes hu games in the lobby and theres 1 match up if the regs want games theres plenty .or thats right they only want to play the lads thats moved to the spin up tables
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : i dont play them pal but at this time there are 19 mid to high stakes hu games in the lobby and theres 1 match up if the regs want games theres plenty .or thats right they only want to play the lads thats moved to the spin up tables
    Posted by SQUARKEY
    sorry missed a page theres now 35 hu games no match ups  
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