In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : i dont play them pal but at this time there are 19 mid to high stakes hu games in the lobby and theres 1 match up if the regs want games theres plenty .or thats right they only want to play the lads thats moved to the spin up tables Posted by SQUARKEY
Sorry mate I was talking about cribbage when I said fav game
Spin up tables are for Sky poker to make money. They are a buisness and must do this or go broke and close down like other sites have. I not only expect sipn up tables to stay (at least for a while) but further games to be inroduced which could be described as, more a game suitable for the casino slots side of the buisness. You have a choice play on them or not, at the moment I do not, but I reserve the right to change my mind and play on them if I wish, just as I can buy a lottery ticket, play on roulette, play an all in sat. etc. whenever I wish.
I used to play sky everyday but havent played on it for months as im currently playing on a different site reason being as i have said before there is 3/4 of the same player throughout every level.
If i was a rec and was looking for a game to play/fun and looking through the tables and sein the same players on every 100/200bb table i wouldnt join i would go for the spin ups or omaha.
There was 2 reasons i left playing here before anyone sais , The monthly cash for points changing to a weekly basis and playing cash there would be 4 regs and 1 rec that rec would get stacked and leave then youd have 2 regs instant sit out then leave the table and this would happen on a constant basis.
After all this time running i stll dont understand why sky dont have anonymous tables added that would get me here playing again.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Fair point, Jordz, & I think we can reasonably assume that to be true. 1) I don't think it's unreasonable to assume the team who run Sky Poker are reasonably bright people. 2) They have to be pretty dumb to shoot themselves in the foot by introducing formats which damage the long term viability of their site. And, of course, they can see the data & numbers, but we can't. So their decisions are more informed than our guesswork. Posted by Tikay10
1. Never Assume
2. Never underestimate how dumb smart people can be
The same data can be analised in different ways by different people. Sometimes its better for an external body to look at these things.
As to vegas promo, from a players perspective fantastic. From a business perspective, from the promos i played it looked very poor.
As to spin ups, good for business long term only if you can continue with people growth
I used to play sky everyday but havent played on it for months as im currently playing on a different site reason being as i have said before there is 3/4 of the same player throughout every level. If i was a rec and was looking for a game to play/fun and looking through the tables and sein the same players on every 100/200bb table i wouldnt join i would go for the spin ups or omaha. There was 2 reasons i left playing here before anyone sais , The monthly cash for points changing to a weekly basis and playing cash there would be 4 regs and 1 rec that rec would get stacked and leave then youd have 2 regs instant sit out then leave the table and this would happen on a constant basis. After all this time running i stll dont understand why sky dont have anonymous tables added that would get me here playing again. Posted by kidwiz10
LOL you do know that there is less spin up regs like 3/4 that play every spin up game. there is 10-20 regs i can name that play the mid stakes deep tables. so answer your own question from that one
I started this discussion just to highlight the issue and never expect them to take spin ups away as its too lucrative for skypoker but its unfair to have them as part of the regular tab and highlighted at the top when spin ups have their own tab also. PLEASE PLEASE SEPERATE THE SPIN UPS FROM THE REGULAR TABLES PLEASE SKYPOKER
Sky has been going down hill for years. Every year I see there are less and less people playing the cash tables. I can only really speak about the cash tables, don't really bother with tourneys. However, this is where the vast majority of income comes from for a poker site or even b+m poker room. Over the years I have talked to management about obvious issues. They pretend to listen but never do anything about it. The biggest issue I feel that needs addressing is the state of the lobby. I have told them numerous times but to no avail. How on earth a recreational player navigates through the lobby I don't know. There was a change in management around 2011 since then there has been an obsession with adding different games. All this will do is confuse the recreational player and they wont bother playing. Sky was most popular when it offered one type of 6 max table. Buy in was min 10bb max 100bb. The games were soft and there was plenty of them going. It was easy to navigate the lobby and people could buy in with what they wanted. Posted by ajs4385
....is factually & wholly INCORRECT.
Sky Poker Cash game traffic, & number of uniques playing cash, have both increased significantly since 2011.
This is not an assumption, or an opinion - it is a fact.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : How can you not talk negative when all you ever see is negative stories. nearly every news story is either bad news or a debate. hardly ever see positive stories Posted by craigcu12
If you wanna talk negative, fine.
Personally, I'm a glass half full guy, & prefer the balance of my views & opinions to be positive.
I started this discussion just to highlight the issue and never expect them to take spin ups away as its too lucrative for skypoker but its unfair to have them as part of the regular tab and highlighted at the top when spin ups have their own tab also. PLEASE PLEASE SEPERATE THE SPIN UPS FROM THE REGULAR TABLES PLEASE SKYPOKER Posted by SICKJOKE
It's been an interesting thread, Mr Joke - may I call you Sick? - but for the record, the thread title is misleading. Spin Ups are NOT killing Sky Poker.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : It's been an interesting thread, Mr Joke - may I call you Sick? - but for the record, the thread title is misleading. Spin Ups are NOT killing Sky Poker. Posted by Tikay10
You can call me anything Mr K well the headline should of been "spin ups are killing mid stakes no limit holdem 6max action on sky poker" but it didnt quite have the same bang to it :P
Like I said its great for sky and recs that just want a gamble but this site was built on 6max 100bb games and regs who have always played them seem to have been forgetten about for the new spin up regs who have hopped over from 888 since their POF(push or fold) games have died the same as what will happen here then they will move to the next place.
I have only been here for a year propertly but have played tiny bits in the past but alot of regs have been loyal to sky from the start and it seems like their voices are going unheard.
All we ask is for the spin up games to not be on the regular tab. 100bb games are not in the spin up tab so why is it working the other way?
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : If you wanna talk negative, fine. Personally, I'm a glass half full guy, & prefer the balance of my views & opinions to be positive. Posted by Tikay10
What positive thing has mike ashley done for newcastle united because I can't think of one
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : LOL you do know that there is less spin up regs like 3/4 that play every spin up game. there is 10-20 regs i can name that play the mid stakes deep tables. so answer your own question from that one Posted by SICKJOKE
Wait a sec.
So actually your complaint isn't that there is more spin up games.
Your complaint is that the recs are playing a different game than you want them to?
The game is still there, by your admission 10-20 that can play every game. So go play against them and stop whining that your rec hunting isn't going as well as you want it to.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : What positive thing has mike ashley done for newcastle united because I can't think of one Posted by craigcu12
Bankrolled them. Spent a fortune on players. Got them a great Manager.
If you look hard enough, Craig, you can find positivity anywhere & everywhere.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Wait a sec. So actually your complaint isn't that there is more spin up games. Your complaint is that the recs are playing a different game than you want them to? The game is still there, by your admission 10-20 that can play every game. So go play against them and stop whining that your rec hunting isn't going as well as you want it to. It is regs that rec hunt that kills poker. Hypocrite. Posted by MrWh1te
I was replying to kidwiz actually when he said spin ups are full of recs and the pool of regs is much smaller in the deep games when actually its the opposite so please read previous posts correctly before you go shooting your mouth off. I play when I game runs thankyou
Do you even play in these games as you dont seem to know what is actually happening?
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : I was replying to kidwiz actually when he said spin ups are full of recs and the pool of regs is much smaller in the deep games when actually its the opposite so please read previous posts correctly before you go shooting your mouth off. I play when I game runs thankyou Do you even play in these games as you dont seem to know what is actually happening? Posted by SICKJOKE
I didn't say the spin ups were full of regs I said the spin ups were good for poker as people only wanna gamble and have fun not join a 100/200bb table and have 3/4 regs on it , I also said this is the reason I don't play on sky as the cash games through all the levels is full of 3/4 of the same players bum hunting then stand or sit out once the rec leaves.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Bankrolled them. Spent a fortune on players.Got them a great Manager. If you look hard enough, Craig, you can find positivity anywhere & everywhere. Posted by Tikay10
took him a while to do that he had went into the europa league season without a single summer transfer just winter panic buys and then an entire season of no transfers.
We've been wanting a decen manager for ages but he was always happy enough to keep a one who took us on a long winless run and headbutted a player.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Bankrolled them. Spent a fortune on players. Got them a great Manager. If you look hard enough, Craig, you can find positivity anywhere & everywhere. Posted by Tikay10
I'm pretty sure I'm correct in saying there is no way of hiding them in my lobby. I've tried most of the tabs (including the regular tab) and can't get rid of them.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : ....is factually & wholly INCORRECT. Sky Poker Cash game traffic, & number of uniques playing cash, have both increased significantly since 2011. This is not an assumption, or an opinion - it is a fact. Posted by Tikay10
You always say this, can you post some evidence please.
I just say what I see, there used to be 10+ £1/2 and same 0.5/1 tables going on a night every night 5+ years ago.
Fancy a bet.
I reckon there wont be 10 £1/2 and 10 0.50/1 at any point tonight (remember tonight is a peak night so an advantage for you).
I haven't played on here for a few month so I may be wrong but I doubt it.
Also the amount of unique players have gone way down, every table used to be full of unique players too, not just same ones passing blinds around. I'm going to dig a screen shot out to back this up too.
3pm and theres ZERO cash games to play at nl50 or higher on the whole site, there is 5 spin ups though. Maybe 20 odd players who came to play poker who are now playing games they have 0% chance of winning in (not that they know this) just because everywhere they look they are told they can spin up a fortune in this awesome format. GG, if each of these 20 odd players didn't have the option it would only take 1 of them to sit at a normal table for the table to fill up.
3pm and theres ZERO cash games to play at nl50 or higher on the whole site, there is 5 spin ups though. Maybe 20 odd players who came to play poker who are now playing games they have 0% chance of winning in (not that they know this) just because everywhere they look they are told they can spin up a fortune in this awesome format. GG, if each of these 20 odd players didn't have the option it would only take 1 of them to sit at a normal table for the table to fill up. Posted by OnlySmells
If they have 0% chance of winning at spin ups... what chance would you give them deep with regs waiting?
I think the only argument presented by the regulars that at least has a chance of standing up is the OPs 2nd one, the one about spin up games having their own tab and not interfering with the 100bb games.
As soon as pros start coming out and basically saying "it's better to give them no option so they can play the games I play which would allow me to make more money" is ridiculous and should stop here. The audacity of you guys to actually think the games you play should be the games other people play, ideally just the weaker players though, is quite shocking. And then to measure Sky's success based on how often your games run is so narrow minded it's quite unbelievable. We don't know how successful Sky has been over the past few years, TK says very successful, and we can be skeptical about that but we can't just presume he's lying based on how often 100bb £1/2 runs.
And, for the record, it's now 6pm and there are ELEVEN games running @ 50nl and above.
Comments
I'm too poor for the current spin ups
When are they going to get added at the 2p / 4p micro stakes?
If i was a rec and was looking for a game to play/fun and looking through the tables and sein the same players on every 100/200bb table i wouldnt join i would go for the spin ups or omaha.
There was 2 reasons i left playing here before anyone sais , The monthly cash for points changing to a weekly basis and playing cash there would be 4 regs and 1 rec that rec would get stacked and leave then youd have 2 regs instant sit out then leave the table and this would happen on a constant basis.
After all this time running i stll dont understand why sky dont have anonymous tables added that would get me here playing again.
....is factually & wholly INCORRECT.
Sky Poker Cash game traffic, & number of uniques playing cash, have both increased significantly since 2011.
This is not an assumption, or an opinion - it is a fact.
Personally, I'm a glass half full guy, & prefer the balance of my views & opinions to be positive.
So actually your complaint isn't that there is more spin up games.
Your complaint is that the recs are playing a different game than you want them to?
The game is still there, by your admission 10-20 that can play every game. So go play against them and stop whining that your rec hunting isn't going as well as you want it to.
It is regs that rec hunt that kills poker.
Hypocrite.
If you look hard enough, Craig, you can find positivity anywhere & everywhere.
I just say what I see, there used to be 10+ £1/2 and same 0.5/1 tables going on a night every night 5+ years ago.
Fancy a bet.
I reckon there wont be 10 £1/2 and 10 0.50/1 at any point tonight (remember tonight is a peak night so an advantage for you).
I haven't played on here for a few month so I may be wrong but I doubt it.
As soon as pros start coming out and basically saying "it's better to give them no option so they can play the games I play which would allow me to make more money" is ridiculous and should stop here. The audacity of you guys to actually think the games you play should be the games other people play, ideally just the weaker players though, is quite shocking. And then to measure Sky's success based on how often your games run is so narrow minded it's quite unbelievable. We don't know how successful Sky has been over the past few years, TK says very successful, and we can be skeptical about that but we can't just presume he's lying based on how often 100bb £1/2 runs.
And, for the record, it's now 6pm and there are ELEVEN games running @ 50nl and above.