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Spin Ups killing SKY Poker

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  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    I have no problem with these tables existing, In fact i have played on them quite a lot when there has been some sort of rake/points promotion but i do feel punters should not be directed towards them the way they currently are, I think its fair to say that its the least skillful form of poker on Sky, and i would imagine the most addictive. Playing regular cash/Mtts or sng's dont offer that quick thrill that you can get from spin ups  where you are going all in so often. you can see how people can get addicted to them. Someone who was on my table during the £11 rebuy yesterday said he had built his bankroll up to £250 that month playing sngs and then blown it all on the spin ups in 30mins, You have to wonder how many other people that has happened to. The players who have good common sense, an understanding of poker and self control will probably never have any issue with the spin-ups but its the people who lack any of those 3 traits that could blow a load of money without ever really having time to think about what they are doing. Everyone knows Cigarettes harm you yet you still get the warnings on the packet , so it would be good to see something similar implimented on the spin up tables.. maybe a warning after losing x amount of buy ins/deposits or some sort of information outlet explaining that the spin-up tables are the most volatile form of poker etc I dont expect Sky to make any changes at all because at the end of the day they work. But I do feel its our duty to push for a change none the less. 
    Posted by jordz16
    There are plenty of warnings about responsible gaming at the bottom of every single page. I don't see any reason for Sky to implement a warning especially for spin ups. The risks of spin ups are no different to many other games.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : There are plenty of warnings about responsible gaming at the bottom of every single page. I don't see any reason for Sky to implement a warning especially for spin ups. The risks of spin ups are no different to many other games.
    Posted by Aerionz

    where did you read that?
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    I have no problem with these tables existing, In fact i have played on them quite a lot when there has been some sort of rake/points promotion but i do feel punters should not be directed towards them the way they currently are, I think its fair to say that its the least skillful form of poker on Sky, and i would imagine the most addictive. Playing regular cash/Mtts or sng's dont offer that quick thrill that you can get from spin ups  where you are going all in so often. you can see how people can get addicted to them. Someone who was on my table during the £11 rebuy yesterday said he had built his bankroll up to £250 that month playing sngs and then blown it all on the spin ups in 30mins, You have to wonder how many other people that has happened to. The players who have good common sense, an understanding of poker and self control will probably never have any issue with the spin-ups but its the people who lack any of those 3 traits that could blow a load of money without ever really having time to think about what they are doing. Everyone knows Cigarettes harm you yet you still get the warnings on the packet , so it would be good to see something similar implimented on the spin up tables.. maybe a warning after losing x amount of buy ins/deposits or some sort of information outlet explaining that the spin-up tables are the most volatile form of poker etc I dont expect Sky to make any changes at all because at the end of the day they work. But I do feel its our duty to push for a change none the less. 
    Posted by jordz16
    The cigarettes might be getting all these warnings and hidden away but the same can't be said about alcohol. All the damage which can be done by alcohol doesn't stop it from being advertised on TV, a sponser in sport or become hidden away, you can still recieve free samples in super markets, I myself had a free sample of peach flavoured WKD the other week and have started to have the odd full bottle of that during a football match rather than a small bottle of general beer or can of lager.

    If gamblig becomes a serious problem people can speak to gamble aware otherwise or learn to cut down on it themselves, no different to alcoholics really.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : The cigarettes might be getting all these warnings and hidden away but the same can't be said about alcohol. All the damage which can be done by alcohol doesn't stop it from being advertised on TV, a sponser in sport or become hidden away, you can still recieve free samples in super markets, I myself had a free sample of peach flavoured WKD the other week and have started to have the odd full bottle of that during a football match rather than a small bottle of general beer or can of lager. If gamblig becomes a serious problem people can speak to gamble aware otherwise or learn to cut down on it themselves, no different to alcoholics really.
    Posted by craigcu12
    where are these supermarkets ?  :)
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : The cigarettes might be getting all these warnings and hidden away but the same can't be said about alcohol. All the damage which can be done by alcohol doesn't stop it from being advertised on TV, a sponser in sport or become hidden away, you can still recieve free samples in super markets, I myself had a free sample of peach flavoured WKD the other week and have started to have the odd full bottle of that during a football match rather than a small bottle of general beer or can of lager. If gamblig becomes a serious problem people can speak to gamble aware otherwise or learn to cut down on it themselves, no different to alcoholics really.
    Posted by craigcu12

    thats all valid, my main issue is we know alcohol will harm us but we know where we stand with it, each bottle tells us the content and we know our own limits etc, refering that back to the spin-ups if they were made very clear to be the hardest to make profit from and easiest to lose money from then im sure people woud still play them and still enjoy them but i believe a few non-clued up gamblers may think twice about spewing money on there. 
  • edited June 2016
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    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : where are these supermarkets ?  :)
    Posted by stokefc
    my very own asda and funnily enough it was the very same day of englands first match. Those in wales might be giving wine or champaign free samples the way the knockout stage is set.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : thats all valid, my main issue is we know alcohol will harm us but we know where we stand with it, each bottle tells us the content and we know our own limits etc, refering that back to the spin-ups if they were made very clear to be the hardest to make profit from and easiest to lose money from then im sure people woud still play them and still enjoy them but i believe a few non-clued up gamblers may think twice about spewing money on there. 
    Posted by jordz16
    Knowing the limits, spin up being the hardest to make profit and easiest to lose money is already available bankroll management explains it all clear. Where general gambling comes in these are alot less costly than all the stuff that availible in sky vegas. you can see 6 hands for just over a 1/10 of you entry fee, but you'd be consistantly feeding the stuff run in sky vegas. I don't even think the most serious gamblers will be here in the first place, they normally playing things which offer hunders of pounds like main events, FOBT and the stuff you have in sky vegas.

  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:

    If gamblig becomes a serious problem people can speak to gamble aware otherwise or learn to cut down on it themselves, no different to alcoholics really.

    Craig, this kind of flippant comment can be upsetting, have you had any dealings or any knowledge on the subject?
    I don't wish to pry in personal stuff, but as written it looks like a throwaway comment similar to "you are feeling depressed? Pull yourself together man."
  • edited June 2016
    The simple way of putting it is that spin ups are bad for those who want to make money in poker but good from a buissness point of view and it's the buissness part that i most important to sky itself, if it didn't make cash  the site would have to close down. cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, gambling they all have the risks, you can speak to people if you want help but they can only give advice the user himself makes the decision.

    Thiis thread might as well be closed down.
  • edited June 2016
    If im honest i drifted way off my main point in this thread which was there is nothing wrong with spin ups, but i really dislike the idea of them being pushed onto newbies, even though it doesnt affect me much as an mtt player.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    First up, I have twice asked Sky Poker if they have any plans to move these Spin Up tables away from the Main Cash Game Lobby. Both times they gave me an emphatic "no", & I communicated exactly this on here. I don't plan to ask them again, as they have made their position clear & I don't need telling 3 times, but I will send the thread Upstairs again.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    tikay im aware this isnt your fault, youre just the messenger,  this isnt a dig at you but this is such a ridiculous answer from sky , theyre in the wrong place. its like putting sit & gos smack bang in the middle of the cash tab and then refusing to relocate them. You wouldnt put heads up tables udner a regular tab because that would be stupid but they would probably be less out of place than these spin ups..

    how about an advamnced filter option to hide them off of the screen of people who phsyically select that option in filters, this would be incredibly easy to do and allows sky to kep pushing their new game format to all players except regs who have chosen to hide them
  • edited June 2016

    ^^^^^^

    Morning Mr Fishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

    Thanks, am pokering at the mo - WAL - but I will reply later.

    Best regards,

    Mr Messenger.

    :)

  • edited June 2016
    Some of these posts appear to be very caring for the rec, in the way of warnings.On the other hand, regs are always seeking out recs.
    Its dog eat dog in the poker world and rightly so, nature of the game.The only requirement i see to play or not to play spin ups, is to be literate and to know the type of game it is.There seems to be a universal agreement on BR management as a priority but some folk have plenty of disposable income and arent that bothered, as in gambling.I f you have any sense  in buisness and advertising you will know why the spin up tables are where they are.Ive had a peek at the spin up tables and they look very popular to me.Fuss about nothing.If you walk into a casino there is choice in what to play.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    ^^^^^^ Morning Mr Fishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks, am pokering at the mo - WAL - but I will reply later. Best regards, Mr Messenger. :)
    Posted by Tikay10
    Oh you're over in Vegas ? you go steady , don't win all the money .I'd like there to be some money left for me by the time I arrive 
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    Various comments along the lines of "it's misleading", "sky poker are tricking players" & so on & so forth. How are Sky Poker misleading anyone? The Tables are clearly labelled - VERY clearly labelled. This is what they are called in the Lobby.... SPIN UP That's it, nothing else, just those 2 words. " SPIN UP ". No other words, nothing. SPIN UP .  How is that misleading or tricking anyone? 
    Posted by Tikay10
    When you look at the regular lobby it has a lot of highlighted spin up tables at the top but then further down there are some spin ups that aren't highlighted. Looking at the lobby right now I've spotted a 20nl spin up game that isn't highlighted and is bang in the middle of other 20nl games. Also the same with some 100nl games. When scrolling down the lobby I don't usually ever glance over the table name where I would see it saying Spin up - instead I just focus on the stake and if there's a free seat at the table. So very often I end up loading up loading a spin up table by accident. I would hazard a guess that other people that have commented here on it have made the same easy mistake.


  • edited June 2016
    Like i said......literate.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    how about an advamnced filter option to hide them off of the screen of people who phsyically select that option in filters, this would be incredibly easy to do and allows sky to kep pushing their new game format to all players except regs who have chosen to hide them
    Posted by The_Fishhh
    +1

    this is the very least they should do
  • edited June 2016
    We should havea vote on it and which ever way it goes the losing side should ask for a re vote.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Oh you're over in Vegas ? you go steady , don't win all the money .I'd like there to be some money left for me by the time I arrive 
    Posted by The_Fishhh
    Yup, been here a while, but there's plenty of cash left for you to pillage, trust me. ;)

    Looking forward to seeing you, & updating your progress. Unless you are unlucky with your table draw, I think you'll do very well.
  • edited June 2016
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    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : tikay im aware this isnt your fault, youre just the messenger,  this isnt a dig at you but this is such a ridiculous answer from sky , theyre in the wrong place. its like putting sit & gos smack bang in the middle of the cash tab and then refusing to relocate them. You wouldnt put heads up tables udner a regular tab because that would be stupid but they would probably be less out of place than these spin ups.. how about an advamnced filter option to hide them off of the screen of people who phsyically select that option in filters, this would be incredibly easy to do and allows sky to kep pushing their new game format to all players except regs who have chosen to hide them
    Posted by The_Fishhh
    I take your point, but the analogies are not really correct - they are cash games, & they are in the cash game lobby. They are immensely popular, too, despite what some may think from viewing this thread.

    The poker model is changing, it really is, & increasing numbers of players want to play this format. You may reasonably argue it is not "pure" poker, but that's the way poker is moving, & attracting a different market.

    Anyway, I will certainly send your idea Upstairs, & if they reply to me, I'll let you know.

    Appreciate the "messenger" part. I'm here as a bridge between the players & the site, & in the very unusual, even unique, position, of being able to see both sides of this coin.
     
    In truth, personally, I'm unsure why it bothers a few so much, I really am. Having said that, my view is irrelevant of course, as I don't play Online cash.*
     
    * Am playing a lot of "live" cash here in Vegas. You'd KILL these games, trust me.   
     
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : When you look at the regular lobby it has a lot of highlighted spin up tables at the top but then further down there are some spin ups that aren't highlighted. Looking at the lobby right now I've spotted a 20nl spin up game that isn't highlighted and is bang in the middle of other 20nl games. Also the same with some 100nl games. When scrolling down the lobby I don't usually ever glance over the table name where I would see it saying Spin up - instead I just focus on the stake and if there's a free seat at the table. So very often I end up loading up loading a spin up table by accident. I would hazard a guess that other people that have commented here on it have made the same easy mistake.
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Hi TB,

    And how many times have you made that mistake?

    The answer ought to be ONCE, any more, & we can only blame ourselves.

    I always buy the same type of loaf of bread in Tesco, but recently I accidentally picked up the wrong brand, as all the bread is in the same area. I was pretty mad with myself (not with Tesco, it's hardly their fault, is it?) & I can assure you I'll never make that mistake again.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    Some of these posts appear to be very caring for the rec, in the way of warnings.On the other hand, regs are always seeking out recs. Its dog eat dog in the poker world and rightly so, nature of the game.The only requirement i see to play or not to play spin ups, is to be literate and to know the type of game it is.There seems to be a universal agreement on BR management as a priority but some folk have plenty of disposable income and arent that bothered, as in gambling.I f you have any sense  in buisness and advertising you will know why the spin up tables are where they are.Ive had a peek at the spin up tables and they look very popular to me.Fuss about nothing.If you walk into a casino there is choice in what to play.
    Posted by chilling
    ;)

    I need to be careful what I say, but I would imagine many readers had the same thought. Poker players seek edges all the time, try to find the "mark" or "fish", but now, all of a sudden, the boys are worrying about the poor recs. A certain irony pervades the thread.
     
    When I'm not over here, & I am on normal hours & work duties, I log on to Sky Poker every morning between 5am & 6am, & the first thing I do is look at the cash game lobby to see if any big games are running. If there is, at, say, £5 £10 or £10 £20, as there is around once or twice per week, I always go take a look. And always see the same thing - 5 "regs" or "big Boys" & one "mark". And there will be a waiting list of 5 or 6 more regulars. The moment the mark goes bust, or leaves, the table INSTANTLY empties. And remember, this is at 6am or whatever. How do all those regulars suddenly know there is a mark at the table? (Rhetorical....).

    I don't really have a problem with it, its nothing to do with me, but its how poker works. 

    One interpretation is that it's rather nice to see the regs are now worrying about the recreational players.
     
    Really interesting thread, this, & am happy to continue the debate.

  • edited June 2016
    As someone who mainly plays MTT and doesn't play all that much 100bb cash, I think a lot of the people moaning about not being able to filter out the spin up tables have valid complaints. You should be able to customise the lobby so that it only shows up with the tables your interested in playing. It just makes navigating much easier for those playing lots of tables/ other sites. 
     Spin ups really should not be appearing in the 'regular' poker tab, just as 100 bb tables would not appear in the 'spin up' tab.


  • edited June 2016
    if you were a poker website that is global then a very good filter is needed but on sites like this finding the right table should be easy. The vast majority of spin up tables are at the very top of the page highlighted in yellow so that recs have little difficulty finding them. I play micro stakes cash, these might not have spin up tables but they do have capped tables and they too are not what I'd want to join, they might be mixed in amounst the regular cash tables but I hardly ever register into them and even if I were to load the table up I'll see right away it's not the right table when I look at my chipstack.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : I take your point, but the analogies are not really correct - they are cash games, & they are in the cash game lobby. They are immensely popular, too, despite what some may think from viewing this thread. The poker model is changing, it really is, & increasing numbers of players want to play this format. You may reasonably argue it is not "pure" poker, but that's the way poker is moving, & attracting a different market. Anyway, I will certainly send your idea Upstairs, & if they reply to me, I'll let you know. Appreciate the "messenger" part. I'm here as a bridge between the players & the site, & in the very unusual, even unique, position, of being able to see both sides of this coin.   In truth, personally, I'm unsure why it bothers a few so much, I really am. Having said that, my view is irrelevant of course, as I don't play Online cash.*   * Am playing a lot of "live" cash here in Vegas. You'd KILL these games, trust me.     
    Posted by Tikay10
    Hopefully you're right with regards the Vegas games , j guess we will see in 2 weeks time. Sorry when I meant the messenger statement I was specifically talking about sky's response about refusing to relocate spin up tables, which I was unhappy about. I'm aware you have a much more significant role for sky than being a messenger, maybe I didn't explain that properly above. 
    Also I know spin ups are becoming very popular but amongst some players they are also very unpopular , we should have the right to hide them from our cluttered lobbies, if we feel so inclined.
  • edited June 2016
    Hi All,

    I wanted to add a point to this thread.

    The reason that the Spin Up games are located in the regular tab is because they are 6 max. The regular tab shows all games that are not heads up. 

    There is no way that we can remove them from the tab at present, which is why we have not done so. We are not ignoring the requests to do this nor are we trying to trick players into playing a certain type of game.

    Sam
  • edited June 2016
    Why not put all spin ups right at the top.They become your headline act and others cant complai
  • edited June 2016
    Times are hard, could not afford the n
  • edited June 2016
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    Why not put all spin ups right at the top.They become your headline act and others cant complai
    Posted by CxE1
    +1

    makes perfect sense really, recs are the ones who want these not regs so why not put each and every spin up table at the top highlighted in yellow, that way recs will be able to find them easily and those of us who playing general cash don't have these spin up tables sitting amounst all the general cash tables.

    If this still had people against them, the issue with having them in the lobby is just an attempt to make spin ups very difficult to find meaning they'll join more of the general cash tables.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker:
    In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Hopefully you're right with regards the Vegas games , j guess we will see in 2 weeks time. Sorry when I meant the messenger statement I was specifically talking about sky's response about refusing to relocate spin up tables, which I was unhappy about. I'm aware you have a much more significant role for sky than being a messenger, maybe I didn't explain that properly above.  Also I know spin ups are becoming very popular but amongst some players they are also very unpopular , we should have the right to hide them from our cluttered lobbies, if we feel so inclined.
    Posted by The_Fishhh

    Morning Big Fella,

    For clarification, I never took "messenger" as in any way derogatory. I this particular case, that's exactly what I am, I filter stuff, answer what I can myself, and send messages upstairs as to things I can't assist with.

    You explained it fine, and I took it in the right sense.

    You all packed and ready for Vegas? I see a lad from Winchester won a WSOP bracelet yesterday. Yesterday Winchester, maybe tomorrow somewhere dreadful in Yorkshire.
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