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I picked cash as an example of Sky as that is my field of expertise and its what matters when a site makes profit or not.
I never said Tikay was lying. I just wanted to know how he is measuring the site is doing better than it used to. Like I said everything I see it is doing worse. Other people say the same occasionally old regs pop up and they say in chat how bad things are compared to what it used to be.
Browndog turned up last year after not seeing him for two years on the site. He said something along the lines of its dead on here. I saw dantb10 in g Sheffield about a year ago, one of main topics of conversation was how sky has gone down hill.
How is it audacious that most players want poker to be a game of skill and are against sites trying to take skill out of the game and charge a load more in rake at the same time.
I assume people love poker because it is a game of skill, if this is the case you should be fighting against theses tables.
I don't think it's players who have joined Sky to play these tables, it's people already playing on the site, some for many years, who have decided that this format might be for them, or at least want to give it a go. I've certainly enjoyed the few sessions I've had playing them while I find 200BB cash No Limit Hold'em about as boring as the game can be. Perhaps you can look at it as 20-20 cricket. Yes the purists will always prefer the Test Match, but other people like the wham bam shorter formats.
But I completely concede the point that they should be on their separate tab of the lobby.
I was not & am not aware of any Posts which have been deleted from this thread. As long as it was not overly abusive, there is no reason to Delete Posts which are critical of Sky Poker, within reason, of course. Maybe my superiors in the Office have removed something, but it's news to me, & if they did so, I hope they did so with good reason, & I would like to think they would have made me aware.
If you would like to send me a PM with details of what you wrote, & when you wrote it, I'll investigate it for you.
Have to say, you completely whooshed me yesterday, too, when you Posted along the same lines, & I replied at length. I note you never replied to me.
I'm always happy to discuss these matters, even when the topic is critical of Sky Poker - I've never dodged a single question here, ever.
The thread, Barry's post (which I struggled to understand), & my reply, are HERE
Everything I have seen posted by you is perfectly acceptable, even though I don't necessarily agree with it.
The fact they make money is what's most important. it's everywhere weather it be FOBT in betting shops, bandit machines in pubs or 2p machines seen in arcades at the seaside and festivals they all ways of making more money and that is most important. We can win cash in poker at the casino but bosses will get suspicous of people winning cash in black jack or roulette, I've seen a story of one guy banned from every grosvenor casino having made thousands of pounds in roulette.
sky making money is most important
Morning all.
I'll try & address some of these questions, comments, digs &, if I may say so, porkies.
Bear with me please.
First up, I have twice asked Sky Poker if they have any plans to move these Spin Up tables away from the Main Cash Game Lobby. Both times they gave me an emphatic "no", & I communicated exactly this on here.
I don't plan to ask them again, as they have made their position clear & I don't need telling 3 times, but I will send the thread Upstairs again.
Spin Ups are NOT killing Sky Poker.
Fact.
I appreciate many of you don't like them. Equally, many of you DO like them. It's the nature of the beast that those in favour say nothing, whilst those against complain.
Various comments along the lines of "it's misleading", "sky poker are tricking players" & so on & so forth.
How are Sky Poker misleading anyone?
The Tables are clearly labelled - VERY clearly labelled. This is what they are called in the Lobby....
SPIN UP
That's it, nothing else, just those 2 words. "SPIN UP". No other words, nothing. SPIN UP.
How is that misleading or tricking anyone?
I would like to think that Sky Poker credit their players with enough intelligence to be able to see exactly what these tables are. Like almost every poker player ever born, I have accidentally registered for a wrong Cash Game, MTT or SNG at some stage in my poker life. I've never made the same mistake twice though, & I doubt any of you have.
Nothing misleading, no "tricking players", how can there be? The tables are labelled SPIN UP.
Sorry guys, but that seems clear enough to me, & there is no "trickery" or anything "misleading".
"Nobody can make money at Spin Ups".
How do you know that?
I don't have any access to the numbers, so I have exactly the same info as you. I would be pretty sure that it IS possible to make money at them, that some folks do make money at them, & that some players really enjoy them.
Let's move away from Spin Ups, & look at "regular" poker. Does everyone make money at that? Of course they don't, & you all know that. Most of us are net depositors, but we either kid ourselves, or just enjoy trying to make a few bob, &, most of all, enjoy ourselves.
Why is losing money at Spin Ups different to losing money at regular cash games, MTT's or SNG's? If all those who lost money stopped playing, poker would shut down within a few days....
"It's immoral", "it's like FOBT's".
Sorry, but poker players happily "scope" & bumhunt losing players, & eagerly sit at a table with a so-called "fish", look for "weak" tables & players. Is that immoral?
You never seen a high stakes cash game on this site with one "fish" & all the pros queuing up to take his money, then snap quitting when the mark leaves? Some players on this thread have done exactly that.
What about a Heads Up game & one player disco's? Do we all sit there & wait, or send the guy his money back?
It's poker, a gambling game, a game played for money. It's a bit rich to accuse Sky Poker of being ""immoral" for offering a game, when we as poker players exploit every single edge we can.
One person says Spin Ups are "immoral", & soon everyone is repeating it, & stating it as a fact.
There's nothing immoral or misleading about it.
I'm sorry that we don't see eye to eye on so many of the points made, but I can only speak as I find, & think. I don't really want to have a ruck, or fall out with you all, but I can't allow all these comments to go unanswered. Players are making stuff up, so I think I have the same right as you do to state my views.
It's when people make stuff up, & then others, sheep like, lazily copy those untruths, that I feel the need to bring some balance (and FACTS) to the thread.
At the end of the day, if you don't like spin ups, just don't play them. Complaining to get them removed won't achieve anything.