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The only way a bot would work is to play limit (irrelivant of stake) where there is a fixed bet and the best hand wins - that way the bot could work out reasonably accuratly the most optimum play v's odds and calculating in how big the final pot / bet would be.
If bots existed, how would they be made? Correct. A piece of software. Pieces of clever software cost money to make once, & can then be replicated indefinitely (& sold) at almost no cost. See "windows" operating software, which costs less than $1 a copy to make.
So if it were credible, &, as you suggest, they could all bonus grind all day & night for ever, every single poker site would be chock-full of them. And yet, in the 12 or 13 years since I've known Online Poker - pretty much since it began - not one soul has ever provided one shred of credible evidence that they exist. Do you know how many Clients a site like, say, PokerStars, or Sky Poker, has signed up? And yet not one of them (us) have ever detected one of these bots......
Anyway, we all believe what we believe, & each to their own. People watch Big Brother, go to the movies, buy "The Sun" or the Daily Mail", there's no accounting for taste!
Happy bot-hunting.
But this is Sky Poker, & I state as a fact, there are no bots here. End of.
Go figure.
LOL (I`ll do it)
In Response to Re: IS THIS HUMAN OR A BOT? ROBOROVER VERUS THE BOT LOL!: I've stated many times on this forum that I am unconcerned about the use of bots on this site or any other.
However I do believe that they are used (certainly on other sites) and there are reasons why people might want to use them.
My view is that they would be most beneficial at low stakes PLO.
It would be an interesting "intellectual" challenge to create one but I have never done so.
The benefit of bots is that, if programmed correctly, they do not make simple (and major) odds based errors. Since many real players do make these types of mistakes, this is an edge for the bot.
It is also not true to say that bots can only play based on mathematical odds. A well designed bot would be able to use knowledge gained from playing players much more efficiently than another "real" player would since it does not suffer from memory losses or subjective judgements.
Against top players (and those capable of varying their game sufficiently), I would say that a bot has no edge.
By saying the advantage of using a bot is it will not make simple of major odds based errors is that not kind of saying that they will play by the maths though?
Anyway i'm satisfied that if they are out there they would be much like a virus - for every new one created a new security measure becomes available
(in fact i'm pretty sure the same guys making the anti virus packages are the ones making the virus but thats my sceptical nature lol)
In Response to Re: IS THIS HUMAN OR A BOT? ROBOROVER VERUS THE BOT LOL! : I never said I did not want bots in my game. I am unsure which way to go on this as I`m pretty sure if you knew you had a bot at your table it would be exploitable. Im not really committing myself either way on this atm on wether I would want/mind one at my table or not. Its just if it were me, and i found out I could get a bot to do this for me 14hrs / day, I would get one. He cant really be enjoying himself but who knows maybe he is. Since this thread went up, I have been looking into these bots, and its pretty fascinating what goes on tbh. Definitely an eye opener.
Posted by OMahonyO
In Response to Re: IS THIS HUMAN OR A BOT? ROBOROVER VERUS THE BOT LOL! : Your logic is flawed, with due respect. If bots existed, how would they be made? Correct. A piece of software. Pieces of clever software cost money to make once, & can then be replicated indefinitely (& sold) at almost no cost. See "windows" operating software, which costs less than $1 a copy to make. So if it were credible, &, as you suggest, they could all bonus grind all day & night for ever, every single poker site would be chock-full of them. And yet, in the 12 or 13 years since I've known Online Poker - pretty much since it began - not one soul has ever provided one shred of credible evidence that they exist. Do you know how many Clients a site like, say, PokerStars, or Sky Poker, has signed up? And yet not one of them (us) have ever detected one of these bots...... Anyway, we all believe what we believe, & each to their own. People watch Big Brother, go to the movies, buy "The Sun" or the Daily Mail", there's no accounting for taste! Happy bot-hunting. But this is Sky Poker, & I state as a fact, there are no bots here. End of.
Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: IS THIS HUMAN OR A BOT? ROBOROVER VERUS THE BOT LOL! : But some folks actually fall for this sort of nonsense! And then complaain that they have been ripped off.... Go figure.
Posted by Tikay10
The UltimateBet & Absolute Poker stories are well-debated, & factual, though some years old, but, bizarrely, it's not impacted upon those Site's traffic or on Mr Hellmuth, who is closely associated with both.
The UB/potripper/nionoi debacle was outright & proven human fraud, nothing to do with bots.
After seeing how UB's & Absolutes security obviously failed to allow these people to do this, Could you EVER bring yourself to trust any money on those particular sites again??
I know the fraud is that of specific people and not the company but i just could not bring myself to deposit on a site where this had occured. I am VERY supprised to see you write that there was no reduction in traffic to these sites
And it does not appear to have impacted upon Mr Hellmuth's image one iota. People never ask him about his association with UB, or what that implies.
It is the only known case of a "super-user" in the history of Online Poker AFAIK, & to be fair to UB, it was not a company policy, it was two unscrupulous & very stupid individuals who worked there, & these who suffered at the hands of the super-users were eventually compensated to some degree. The sin of UB, in my eyes, was that they KNEW it had happened, but chose to deny it publically for a very long time. That is unforgiveable.
I mean, this could still be going now if they had more sense. They couldve settled for 3rd or 4th to try to keep under the radar.
Nice summary.
I'm pretty sure all sites would need a way to see all the cards though as they would have to be able to check holdings and play for fraud investigation (although this account doesn't need to be able to do it in real time i suppose). Sky themselves have this ability as they use it on the shows
On point 2 highlighted I couldn't agree with you more (although nothing Hellmuth does can supprise me anymore) - How a player who classes himself as the greatest tournament player of all time can associate his reputation with a compny guilty of the most famous Poker Scam of all time is beyond me. He must have a far more impressive sponsership deal than any other pro in history to make it worth his while
Contrary to what you say, the stuff you see on the Sky Poker Channel is not because "someone can see the cards", ALL & EVERY hand shown is shown retrospectively, NEVER live. Because nobody at the Channel can see hole cards while they are in play.
Mr Hellmuth's association with UB is not via a sponsorship deal as such, it's because he owns a slice of the action. So the more he promotes UB's name......
Did he own part of the site during the scandal? actually that doesn't matter, being associated at any point in this would make me feel lower than a snakes belly and i would have moved quickly away.
Do you remember Ratners Jewellers???? 1 sentance brought down an empire because it tarnished the product & reputation, i can't beleive that a scam like this didn't close this company for good
".....We also do cut-glass sherry decanters complete with six glasses on a silver-plated tray that your butler can serve you drinks on, all for £4.95. People say, "how can you sell this for such a low price?", I say, "because it's total ****"".
He went on to say, further, that Ratner's ear-rings were "cheaper than a Marks & Sparks prawn sandwich but probably wouldn't last as long".
They lasted longer than him though - he was gone within weeks, Ratners quoted value plummeted by more than half a billion, & it was soon renamed Signet Group.
W T F LOL
is he the worse poker bot salesman ever ?
hhtp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it24XQ9JCL8