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You could highlight many different things as the root causes.....most with valid reason.
You could blame Parents......("Why dont you put something on the end of it?" **further comments removed by author**)
You could blame the Justice System.......or the fact that the punishments are "soft".
Not saying this is right, but I remember watching a programme once about World Policing.....this was in Sth.America somewhere.....A couple of young lads had pulled off an armed robbery.....one was shot dead by Police and the other gave himself up.......The Cop then ordered the film crew to stop filming as he marched the lad off behind a nearby lorry. Goodnight.
Rehab Costs = 0
Re-offending Rate = 0
You could blame the System.........or maybe the people who "play it".
Our Education system cannot be blamed (imho) after all there is an education structure in place for our kids from pre-school onwards.
I said in my first post, that the changes would maybe take a generation to work. Ive changed my mind, we’re looking at 5/6/7/8/+ generations. The ridiculous “shoot em” example – wouldnt work, unless you shot them all. Get a gun, and go round and shoot everyone who has a criminal record. Hi/tler style! U dont need blonde hair and blue eyes, u just need to have been a good boy/girl! That way, you can rebuild the whole world, from scratch, having learnt from all the mistakes the previous world made.
The influence of criminals, is what keeps the crime circle rotating. So if you bluntly stopped the circle rotating by killing all the bad people this is obv gonna stop it. Obviously it isnt an option, so you need to find a balance of dealing with the existing problem (the guys on my street who smoke crack) – whilst ensuring that the next generation dont get onto this “crime circle” – Theres also the people in the middle, who are becoming adults, but arent yet criminalt, but are heading that way!
So 3 catagories, the adults, 16-24 who are dealing drugs, stabbing people,etc.
The 8-16 – Who are learning from, and copying others, who are inevitably on their way down the same path (at least a small %age of them)
And the 8 year olds through to the next generation, who are about to be introduced to the real world.
On a much lower scale imagine 100 criminals (however serious or minor the crime is, doesnt really matter for this example) – So 100 18 year old criminals living in 1 town – and programmes/infastructures were put in place to convert these people into decent upstanding members of the community, with a life, and a future ahead of them. What %age of them will be willing to take up this opportunity? - Say you get 50% (a very optimistic figure) – to work under supevision, as you suggested, to quite literally build a life for themselves. Whilst this 50%, 50 people, are spending months/years converting themselves and changing their lives for the better, - the other 50% who have refused the opportunity, as theyre happy taking drugs, acting drunk&D, fighting, stealing, etc etc – will be influencing other children/younger adults to join them, commit crime, smoke, drink etc.
Its just the way things work in schools. – I had mates I rew up with, some naturally bright, others struggled at school, but people from both ‘catagories’ went off the rails at the age of 13/14/15, when they got in with the “wrong, older” crowd. 1 day I went bowling with a mate, I didnt see him for a week – the next I saw, he was drunk, and smoking. Its that easy to influence people.
So you help 50% of the current criminals, and they become priests. Whilst these have changed, the 50% that have opted out, will have influenced at least another 50 younger adults to take up the lifestyle of ex criminals, now priests.
So you have exactly the same problem. As the world is always getting bigger, the problem is gonna continue to get bigger, until you can get on top of the problem, SMOTHER IT, then slowly but surely reverse, and reverse, until eventually it has been eradicated altogether. (By which time the sun will have burnt out, the fossil fuels run out, and chances are Jeus will turn up!!)
So you say change education strategies, to incorperate proper life skills. So say there are 50 unco-operative criminals who opt out of the opportunity theyve been given. Who wins the battle between the new curriculam, and the bad outside influences? If the life skills wins and keeps 50% of the people, who otherwise would turn to crime, on the straight and narrow.......(again, an optimistic figure)
That means it has failed with 50% ! – Who will turn to crime, and the process will go on, and on and on, until finally, we’re in a squeeky clean society.
Also, the standard of education is a MASSIVE issue! It isn’t good enough. I had a life skills section at school, once a week, which was taken by a DESIGN AND TECHNOLOGY TEACHER! – no doubt she got a massive bonus, but what did I get? – A lesson to play hang man with mi mates (sad i no) lol
I had a sex education class – taken by.....YES MY PE TEACHER! – Again, he got a big bonus, and although more beneficial than the ridiculous life skills lesson, another chance to relax for an hour.
Thee needs to be hundreds of thousands of people, trained properly to make all this successful – the standard just isnt good enough – I dont think it will ever be successful.
The future will never get better until we deal with the present, but the present, is ever evolving, as people are always getting older, and learning from their elders. So the Future is always gonna be the present! There is no light at the end of the tunnerl, there is no “change for the better” the task has become too large.
So maybe, if we want a better world, shooting everything that is bad, is the only possibly way and start over!!! – Obviously this isnt gonna happen, so we can “live with, and manage with” what we have. Unfortunately for alot of people thats the reality of every day life.
Things have gone so far, the wrong way, that they are never ever going to change, coz in my opinion, there isnt enough time in the world ! - (unless you take drastic action, which was my initial suggestion, altho not as drastic as kill em. lol)
I dont mind, no need to apologise, you cant have a debate without difference of opinion and straight talk, u might think its cinical, I just think its relistic.
What r ya gonna do? what more can u do for them? Are you gonna take it so far, and ake things so easy for them, where you get to the point, where kids are encouraged, ENCOURAGED to turn to crime, as they know they will be spoon fed. Surely it defeats the whole point?
EG, one of my mates, who I referred to earlier, was an outstanding footballer at the age of 13/14, until he started taking drugs and drinking. Obviously he started slacking at school and lost sight of what was important, including football, drugs just completely took over......(due to others)
.......When it came to trident, when we were 16, we had to apply as normaly, to find a placement, for a fortnight. I was interested in sports, and writing, so got a job at the local paper.
He....didn't apply anywhere, the school arranged for him to work for 2 weeks at Donaster Rovers football club........
Imagine how chuffed he was at that. Yes he was a gifted footballer still, but every other day he was truenting, been expelled loads of times, was a little sh/1t in class - and rewarded by being given his dream placement?
Take this to after education finishes - they turn down 1 opportunity, if they dnt like the next, they turn it down, until they get exactly what they want, and have had to do nothing, to get it !!!!
And the guys who planned to go 6th form, do 4 a levels, then a 4 year degree course? - Wouldnt it be easier for them to be a bad boy, and get what they want by doing very little?
Its a very fine margin, like alot of things in poker, finding a balance, is important, and if you tilt either way, it could be destructive and have huge negative implications!
(I did PE and Youth sport btw - which is alot about education, and curriculum, - specifically in PE, but still has to cater for kids with all abilities/special needs)
JJ
tbh I know people who work for both the Probation and Prison services. They are all in agreement that they need a good ******* hiding.
Adjourned until everyone is up and about on Monday
Nice one dohhhhhhh, i agree with a lot that you say., I have four sons two adopted and two not and was quite a wild teenager myself after a family breakdown so i do have an opinion and have noted a lot of changes in society and child behaviour that all started when it became frowned upon if not illegal for parents, teachers and the police to grab a toerag by the scruff of his neck and belt him one its as simple as that.
Americanisms sneaking in to kids tv and music and language...... Wicked, evil, naughty, bad, out of order, fierce, nasty, dirty great, monster, deadly ect these are words that kids use to describe anything that is good. Is this right? IMO No it is not. The cowardly gangs and bullies are the heroes and the kids who learn are beat up and called geeks.
I have lived in brand new housing association houses that are beautiful and surrounded with nice roads and landscaping and the teenage kids have turned it into a dump and a no go area within days. They also sell brand new detached houses next to them which are bought by people who work and have kids. The idea is to let the kids mix and integrate. What a waste of money and heartache that is. They all go up for sale or rent in no time and the owners are instantly in negative equity because of the scores of 'anti social' little sweethearts that make DECENT kids and adults lives a misery.
The teenagers that arn't taught to behave should be FORCED to behave.
Kids of the 'decent' variety are also becoming obese. Fast food is not to blame. It is the fact that they dare not go out to play and burn their calories off that is to blame. When do you see an obese thug or hoodie? almost never. Its mainly good kids that are fat kids. Trains, buses, cinemas, streets, parks, shops, everywhere is full of out of control and unpunished kids. They act like they own the place and can do, act and speak how they please and they are right because that is the reality. I would gladly chuck all these bullies in jail until they were completely reformed. And yes poster, if they built the jails that would serve a valuable purpose as part of it.
Have you seen any ghetto's in Tunbridge wells?