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AJS & all those who have Posted on the Thread.
I have now heard back about this Thread from some of the Suits, who are reviewing it's feedback & comments as stated earlier.
No decision has been made, & it may take a while before any or all is or is not implemented.
But I thought you may like some early reactions, which may lead to more constructive debate - these are informal, off-the-cuff views, not decisions or policy, just me keeping you up to speed - are as follows.
Any changes they make will need to address achieving a balanced response - it'd be no good changing something that pleases 20% of the Site if it displeases 20% or more of the Players, so they are looking at the ideas from all angles.
For example, you may recall about 6 months back that there was a clamour to change the scheduled Deepies (it may just have been the 7pm ones, I don't quite recall) from 6 seater to 10 seaters, & so Sky Poker did make the change - & there was absolute uproar, as the "silent majority" were all incredibly upset, they wanted to retain the 6 seater format. So they have to view these potential changes from all angles. The views expressed on this Forum, by sheer maths, do not represent necessarily the views of the majority, so they have to tread carefully before making a decision.
Some of the changes, particularly the minimum sit-down, may well need agreement from the Regulators, AGCC (Alderney Gaming Control Commission). As you will have guessed, Sky Poker take Compliance very seriously, they need to be squeaky clean. So if they did change the Minimum Pull-Up, that one would need external consultation with AGCC first. Compliance is a VERY complex subject if addressed properly. It's do-able, no doubt at all, if that be the decision, but it has to go through "Process". FWIW, I think Sky Poker might take the view that discriminating against the short-stackers is not, on balance, favourable, but we shall see, in due course.
I'm not sure I fully understand the comments by you & others as to quicker means to re-load. I just press "Cashier" & "MAXIMUM", it's lightning fast, takes less than 3 seconds, so I'm a bit lost on that one, but perhaps I misunderstand the point. Can someone better enlighten me?
Thinning out the various Cash-Game Levels (5NL, 10NL, 20NL, etc) - the first reaction was not to go with this. They do want to offer as much choice as possible, so removing the tiered Table Stakes would go against that. As Liquidity improves - & it is improving on the Cash Tables, but it takes time - the "problem" will fade away, I think.
Cluttered Lobby (NL, PL, FL) - I think the view is likely to be "why not use the Lobby Filter"?
As to the "Sit-Out" issue, there is some confusion over this one, & so it may help if I outline the current parameters for Cash-Game "Sit-Outs".
It is currently NOT Time-Based, but "number of hands" based. As I understand it, at present, on 6 seater Cash Tables, if you are "sat-out" FOUR hands in succession, the software terminates your seat, so to speak. So that one is, again, a "balance" thing. You need to allow players time to take a quick PNB, or "comfort break", & that seems about right & fair to most, I would think. Oddly, it would take FAR longer for the Software to recognize this on a 10 seater Cash-Table, but I'm pretty sure your comments related to 6 Seater play.
So, as you see, it needs a bit of thought. When I was a kid - a while back, between you & me - we used to say "measure twice, cut once", & that's about the strength of it.
I'll post more of their initial reactions as & when I hear them, but please keep the feedback coming in the current reasoned style, as everyone did, as it's really extremely useful, thank you.
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Posted by Tikay10
How does this work on the heads up table. I sat down on one and the other player was sat out. I waited for a while but got bored and went and found a 6-seater. Obviously no hands are being dealt so is it time based?
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can you explain what is, if it "just ain't poker"---- whats wrong with a short stack?
If you were playing a tournament and people only had 10bb from the start you (and many others) would be condemning it as a "shove-fest" (or "donk-fest" if you prefer).
Similarly if someone buys in for 10bb in a cash game they will generally have no other play than to shove aipf.
It is quite reasonable, imho, to want to have some tables where people who wish to play this way can do so but it is equally valid for some people to want to avoid this sort of player.
There is, surely, room on Sky Poker for both and creating tables that satisfy each type of demand would be ideal - so long as the tables are clearly distinguished.
Posted by Patching99
"I don't know" is the short answer, but I'll try & find out. I guess it makes sense for H-U to be treated differently, if for no other reason that hands comes round much quicker than on a 6 or 10 seater Table.
The question/debate on "short stackers" is one I'll leave you guys to debate, it's something that arouses strong passions & "vigorous" debate on every poker Forum on earth, in much the same way as "hit & run" does, & so I keep out of the debates, as I don't feel that strongly either way on either issue.
Except....
It IS the right of any player to play "short", just as it's their right to so-called "hit & run".
So, the challenge for the Service Provider - in this case, Sky Poker, is to find an accommodation that suits both parties without discriminating against either. I fancy that of all the excellent questions & ideas that "ajs" put forward, that one is the most difficult to solve without marginalising a whole bunch of players.
Not an easy fix, that one.
2nd highlighted point - Agreed that a deepstack table at every level with min buy-in would solve this but i think you have to favour more tables with lower min stack and just 1 or 2 to cater for the deep stack purist as this is after all a commercial venture
I understand what your saying and i'm not saying that it's not annoying, but as with known Hit n Runners you have the option to sit out when one of these players joins a table. Now if it's just the odd one or two appearing every now and again then this shouldn't be a problem.... however if there are loads of them appearing all over the place then doesn't that suggest that a good proportion of players on the site are enjoying taking a punt on larger stakes with short rolls???? if the later is the case then all i'm saying is you have to cater for what ALL they players want (as far as possible). I think there should be deepstack tables for people that like to play deep though with a much higher min buy in so i do accpet your point
Short stackers- Firstly let me say people buying in short looking to have a gamble are very important for the poker economy do not underestimate this. However, 10bb is just too short, if you or your opponent is this short there is hardly any decisions to make and therefore less decisions=less skill (thats why a donkament is called a donkament). I really really DONT want to see short stacking stopped just 10bb is too short, I would love to see it raised to 20 or 30bb minimum buy in, but no more.
Sit out times - As said before sit out time should be 5 minutes, gives you time to have a break or deposit but any less does not give you time, any more is not fair on other players on the table or players waiting to get onto the table.
Thanks for the clarification there AJS. The way you set up the Thread has resulted in a great debate, & I'm sure that as a result, the Suits will study it with some care.
FWIW the auto act buttons still don't work. When you tick 'call any' or 'fold' and then action is on you all the buttons come up and you're like well duh I already pressed it.
What would be useful is to able to stand UTG immediately after folding. In that way, someone can take the seat before the next hand and be positioned ready to pay the bb. This is particularly useful when there is a queue for the table and for people who wait until the bb before paying the ante.
-you can sit out for 5 mins already--If you close your browser instead of pressing the sit out button
please don't bring your personal grudge with ajs onto this thread.