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As you know I originally did things through the proper channels as I realise that this is the only way to get things done. If I had started this kinda thread a week ago with XYZ is now using the account ABC avoid then it would start the wrong kind of thread.
Also there are a lot of lurkers on these forums, and I think by posting this at least some people who play casually at cash tables will be aware of this and will be on the lookout.
To be honest the guy who is multi-accounting is not doing anything to disguise it, its almost as if he wants to be found....or he is the stupidest guy in history.
And by opening a new thread, that is free of hearsay and rumour about who the individual is, then it also allows a lot of players to put in their say about the issue.
if the 2nd account suddenly disappears/a log in takes place from the same IP then that is fairly fool proof.
and this guy is an extremely high profile player. even if the contact info on his account is out of date sky could get hold of him in about 5 mins.
Fair enough sky have to adopt an innocent until proven guilty approach and you cant seriously expect Sky to say what they do to investigate this sort of issue as that defeats the whole point! hopefully if player has half a clue this thread should help as interim measure for the other players affected....
I was merely trying to make a point. If he has a dongle he could log into both in the same room remember
Resolving a dispute by standing in the street shouting & hollering is doomed to failure, it's never yet achieved a thing except make the task harder. When I want to sort out a problem, the only people I want round the Table are those involved.
It's a huge jump from handling the matter properly & professionally, as I believe they are (though I respect your right to contest that) to saying, as you have, that this amounts to a "lack lustre attempt" by Sky Poker. I have stated the facts clearly on here. It was reported via the correct channels, to me & others. I sent it on to Head Office, at 3am in the morning as a matter of fact, & I had a reply when I got up in the morning at 9am, & they have three times written back to me subsequrntly to explain where they are with it. They have also explained that the matter is not as cut & dried as some seem to suggest. Fact, it is NOT.
I'm not sure about your last comment at all. You state.....
"....The fact a reg has to post this kind of thread to get attention is very worrying to me....."
Get attention? How does "getting attention" solve anything? It just diverts resource away from dealing with it efficiently & as quickly as is possible.
Scotty wrote to me, via PM, & I was alerted to his PM late at night, by Scotty finding me on a Table, well after midnight in fact, one night last week. So I exited my Tables (I was not "working", it was my own time), & immediately copied the info he had sent to me on to Head Office. 6 hours later - by now 9am - I had the reply from Head Office telling me what the situation was, & where they were with it. I then wrote back to Scotty before 10am the same morning. Scotty will confirm all this. How is dealing with it with such alacrity a "lack-lustre effort"?
As a matter of interest, they were already aware of the matter, & "on it", before I wrote to them.
So, the Thread has now rumbled on into 4 pages, much of it ill-informed speculation, & none of it contains a speck or iota of factual evidence. How exactly has that helped solved anything?
Hence my view. Personally, I don't think the thread solves anything, quite the opposite, I base that on the basis that I have spent my whole life in commerce untangling disputes.*
I do respect your right to feel otherwise, of course.
* One of these days I ought to tell you the story of the dispute at Chester Telephone Exchange back in the 1970's, whilst it was being constructed, when "Red Robbo" & a mate decided to stage a protest by sitting on top of a tower crane above the Building Site for a week. I resolved that, alone. (The story will be on google somewhere). I could not have resolved it by rounding up a noisy crowd & shouting at the fella.
You are assuming that Sky Poker have not already - "some time since" - made contact with the Account Holders in question.
How do you know that?
Why would they NOT have spoken with he/them?
Do you really think that this far down the line, the Account Holder(s) are NOT aware that the matter is under investigation?!
There really is a disconnect if people cannot work that bit out!
But you are 100% right - Sky Poker are never going to reveal the methods thry use to sorty these things out.
What I know, & you know, is that when Members of this Community sense an injustice - like, say, some of the High-Profile Chat Bans this Comminity has seen - the martyr threads are never far behind. And for that reason alone, matters ned to be investigated & resolved with great care.
Finally, I expect to be in a whopping bowl of hot water with the Suits for replying so candidly throughout this thread, but this rush to assume guilt (without, in the most part, ANY knowledge of the facts) is fundamentally against everything I believe in. And if the boot were on the other foot, most would agree. They would.
Players expect & demand to be treated fairly. And that cuts both ways.
I get the needle because a player busts me. So, miffed, I report him for fraud, or Multi-Accounting, & Sky Poker are supposed to snap suspend him while they investigate my malicious allegations, made simply because I have an "angle".
How long would it before everyone who busts someone gets "spite-reported" & is suspended?
This rhetorical reply does not in any way refer to the OP.
There's no ill informed speculation; as far as I can seem no names have been given. The forum community is being used to discuss an overall issue that is very important to everyone, that is the way the forum should be used.
"He should be suspended while the investigation takes place".
"He is still doing it"
( no offence was meant to you or rich ..... well maybe rich lol ..... )
This is why it's made me critical of the situation and reading through this thread I can't say I've been filled with confidence.
The fact that this guy had an edge over me on the tables that I didn't know about makes this thread very important and I've been too naive too clock on until now.
FWIW, Scotty77 is also a high-profile player, & Sky Poker have just as much reason not to upset him.
Try the legendary Charlie Munger's approach to problem-solving. Invert it.
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : "He should be named & shamed". "He should be suspended while the investigation takes place". "He is still doing it"
Posted by Tikay10
Thanks for quoting other peoples posts...... his name hasn't been said though.
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting...:
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : Incorrect.
Posted by Tikay10
Can we try and have some transparency when this is over then please.
And don't worry Zing he wasn't gaining an edge LOL
And "properly" does not mean listening to rumours. Proof is required, & it's a very difficult matter to properly assess. Especially, as some suggest, it should be judged instantly, & on hearsay.
You've judged him guilty already, then?